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McCain's Lack Of Secret Service Protection

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McCain: 'No' to Secret Service help
He points to inconvenience, expense to nation's taxpayers

Diana Marrero

Mar. 26, 2008 12:00 AM

WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain of Arizona waded through a crush of strangers at a crowded roadside diner in Florida two weeks ago, shaking hands and posing for photos with admirers and gawkers alike.

That's the kind of scenario that energizes voters but makes Secret Service agents shudder.


McCain, though, has no agents watching over him.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee, McCain is the only major candidate who is not guarded by a Secret Service detail. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has lifetime protection as a former first lady, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has had protection since asking for it last year.

"The day that the Secret Service can assure me that, if we're driving in the motorcade and there's a guy in a rooftop with a rifle, that they can stop that guy, then I'll say fine," McCain told reporters late last year. "But the day they tell me, 'Well, we can't guarantee it,' then fine, I'll take my chances."

Although it has been decades since the last attack on a presidential candidate, Secret Service details have become part of the entourage that accompanies most White House hopefuls.

Often seen as a necessary part of modern campaigning, the details can offer an air of legitimacy to a fledgling campaign. By providing security and some transportation, the details can cut down on campaign costs.

But they're also cumbersome and constraining for candidates who want to connect with voters on a personal level.

McCain, who has cultivated a tough-guy image over the years, bristles at what he calls the inconvenience of Secret Service protection and says it's a waste of money.

"It's partly his style," said John Geer, a political scientist at Vanderbilt University. "He wants to be able to dive into a crowd. He derives his energy from that."

McCain's stance also helps explain the inherent conflict that exists between Secret Service agents and the candidates they seek to protect.

"The candidate wants to get as much hands-on exposure with the public, and the Secret Service wants to pull back," said Andrew O'Connell, a former Secret Service agent who is now managing director for Fortress Global Investigations Corp.

But O'Connell, who protected Bill Clinton when he campaigned for president in 1992, says most candidates want the protection.

"You'd think that, in the interest of the party alone, they'd have Secret Service coverage," said Joe Russo, who worked for the federal agency for 20 years, most recently as head of former President Clinton's detail.

Russo, who now works for the security firm T&M Protection Resources, said it's "silly" to expect agents to guarantee they will save your life.

Still, he said, a "lot less could happen when the Secret Service is involved."

Agents began guarding presidential candidates after the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, who was fatally shot after winning the California primary in the summer of 1968.

Four years later, Secret Service agents were unable to prevent the shooting of Alabama Gov. George Wallace as he campaigned in Laurel, Md. Wallace, a segregationist in the 1960s, lost his bid for the Democratic nomination and spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair. That was the last major attack on a presidential candidate.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, questioned the wisdom of refusing Secret Service protection.

"The magnitude of this election is greater than any one candidate or party," he said in an e-mail.

Best-known for its protective functions, the Secret Service was created in 1865 to fight counterfeit currency at a time when about a third of the cash in the country was fake, said Ed Donovan, an agency spokesman.

It took the assassination of President McKinley in 1901, long after the assassinations of Presidents Lincoln and Garfield, for the Secret Service to assume full-time protection of presidents. In 1902, two agents were assigned to guard President Theodore Roosevelt.

The Secret Service has since grown into an agency with a $1.4 billion budget and 6,500 agents, uniformed officers and support staff. The budget for campaign protection has grown from $65 million for the 2004 election to $106.5 million for the upcoming election. The Secret Service began protecting Obama in May, the earliest a presidential candidate has ever received a detail. Clinton, as a former first lady, has had protection from the beginning of her campaign, likely requiring more agents than usual.

Although McCain can opt to go without Secret Service agents as a nominee, he won't have that choice if he's elected president.

"We protect the office, not the person," Russo said.
Is it just me, or isn't this particularly foolish? Especially now that it is known (and evidently has been for some time) that he goes without protection?

I don't like McCain's politics, but this just seems nutty.
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Old white conservatives have been shot at before. I don't see why the first female and black presidential candidates having protection (for good reason) is a good justification for shunning your own to look different.
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It's very foolish. Beyond showing that he has utterly unrealistic expectations for a protective detail (i.e. "make me invincible"), it shows a cavalier disregard for his party. He's their nominee, but that doesn't mean much if he gets shot in an easily-preventable assassination.
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Playing up to the maverick image, I see. And his constituents are just stupid enough for it to work.
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Has a candidate for President ever been the target of an assassination attempt?
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havokeff wrote:Has a candidate for President ever been the target of an assassination attempt?
Bobby Kennedy, for one. I don't think he had actually won the nomination, yet, though, but I'm pretty sure he was in the same situation that McCain is in now.
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havokeff wrote:Has a candidate for President ever been the target of an assassination attempt?
At least once, sort of. Robert F. Kennedy was a candidate for the Democratic party's nomination in 1968. See here for a list of assassinated politicians.
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havokeff wrote:Has a candidate for President ever been the target of an assassination attempt?
Uh, most definately yes.

In the Case of Bobby Kennedy, he was the likely Democratic nominee at the time he assassinated. (He had just won California's primary.)

George Wallace would be the other really prominent example I'm aware of.
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What would the result be if somebody killed him, who would replace him?
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cosmicalstorm wrote:What would the result be if somebody killed him, who would replace him?
Likely the Republican National Convention would choose the nominee.
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The Original Nex wrote:
cosmicalstorm wrote:What would the result be if somebody killed him, who would replace him?
Likely the Republican National Convention would choose the nominee.
Now that might be a convention worth watching.


I can't help but wondering that now that it's been published that McCain doesn't have SS watching him that maybe he might change his mind since this article is bound to have been seen by some wacko or another.

I'd be more concerned if it were a prominent Democratic canidate who did this because it's the right wing wackos that seem the most likely to shoot someone. There are some extreme right wing types that might like a piece of McCain so I don't think he's particularly safe either, but probably more so than if he was a Democrat.
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Tsyroc wrote:
The Original Nex wrote: I can't help but wondering that now that it's been published that McCain doesn't have SS watching him that maybe he might change his mind since this article is bound to have been seen by some wacko or another.

I'd be more concerned if it were a prominent Democratic canidate who did this because it's the right wing wackos that seem the most likely to shoot someone. There are some extreme right wing types that might like a piece of McCain so I don't think he's particularly safe either, but probably more so than if he was a Democrat.
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How much safer does a secret service detail make someone though? What kind of things can they actually prevent? I mean if person X has a gun, which is easy enough to do in the US, what can the Secret Service do to stop the bullet?
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Maybe he didn't want public sector help. Getting secret protection from a private security firm, maybe?
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The Guid wrote:How much safer does a secret service detail make someone though? What kind of things can they actually prevent? I mean if person X has a gun, which is easy enough to do in the US, what can the Secret Service do to stop the bullet?
Among other things they can make sure no-one takes a gun into the building the candidate (other than them). Mobile metal detectors play a huge role here. They can also make sure no-one gets close enough with a gun in an outdoors setting that they can easily hit the candidate. The other key thing is they can help ensure the person doing the shooting just gets one shot before the Secret Service returns fire. (Probably not true with an automatic weapon, but if the burst misses the basic point remains.)
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The Guid wrote:How much safer does a secret service detail make someone though? What kind of things can they actually prevent? I mean if person X has a gun, which is easy enough to do in the US, what can the Secret Service do to stop the bullet?
For one thing they are pretty good at spotting loonies and/or people who are very nervous (as you might be when you are about to assasinate somebody), thats far from a 100% security guarantee, but it's pretty useful.
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The Guid wrote:How much safer does a secret service detail make someone though? What kind of things can they actually prevent? I mean if person X has a gun, which is easy enough to do in the US, what can the Secret Service do to stop the bullet?
When Reagan was shot they physically shoved him into a vehicle, which then took him directly to a hospital (and that probably saved his life). As soon as the shots were fired they physically closed ranks around him, placing themselves between the president and his attacker. If I recall, at least one of the agents was shot while doing this, in addition to press secretary Brady taking a bullet, but that was probably just bad aim on the part of Mr. Hinckley.

So, yeah, they really will jump in front of a bullet. That won't always save a life, but it can help.
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Any negative that McCain sees for having the protection seems wholly inconsequential compared to not having it. Yes, he may sound all noble and whatnot decrying the cost, but I think in this case, the costs are worth it.

Just think , if some wacko decides to take a firearm into an unsecured building where MCCain is speaking, he may not only hit McCain, but others around him. A firearm that would otherwise likely be found.

Of course, the Secret Service is charged with protecting McCain alone, but why add to the risk? Being outdoors, well, I suppose there is only so much one can do, compared to swecuring a closed building, but it just doesn't seem worth it to not have to protection.
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Wow, that's some BS on his part. The Secret Service doesn't make anyone invincible, but it sure does increase the amount of protection a person has. If he could request it, there is no reason not to have it. It doesn't make a candidate a wuss, just prudent.
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I wonder what McCain's stance on condom use is.
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Durandal wrote:I wonder what McCain's stance on condom use is.
He's a Republican candidate who has voiced support for anti-immunization whackos. What do you think his stance on condoms and, by extension, safe sex education is?
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I believe it was Reagan who only got hit because the bullet ricocheted off the armoured door of the motorcade, ironically.
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If it isn't a fleet of Apache gunships and 300 SPARTAFREEDOMERICAN warrior-soldiers, then it's nothing to McCain. NOTHING!

Let's see him go back to the GREEN ZONE and walk around stark naked. Macho Man.
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Something to consider is that while McCain is declining US Secret Service protection, AFAIK, he's not declining the use of state and local police during his campaign stops.

In other words, you can make a case that he's depriving the local law enforcement access to the Federal resources that'd make their job of protecting McCain easier.
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I wonder how he'll feel about Secret Service protection once someone takes a crack at him.
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