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A 'Man' about to give birth

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A married man who used to be a woman says he is pregnant and will give birth to a baby girl in July.

“How does it feel to be a pregnant man? Incredible,” wrote Thomas Beatie, from the Pacific north-west of the United States, in the latest issue of the gay magazine The Advocate.

“Despite the fact that my belly is growing with a new life inside me, I am stable and confident being the man that I am.”

Mr Beatie was born female, named Tracy Lagondino, but had gender reassignment surgery and is now legally male and married to a woman.

He decided to carry a baby for his wife, Nancy, because she had a hysterectomy years ago. He was able to get pregnant because he kept his female organs when he switched genders.

“Sterilisation is not a requirement for sex reassignment, so I decided to have chest reconstruction and testosterone therapy but kept my reproductive rights,” he writes. “Wanting to have a biological child is neither a male nor female desire but a human desire.” The couple, who have been together for ten years, run a custom screenprinting business in Bend, Oregon, where neighbours do not know that Mr Beatie was once a woman.

“Our desire to work hard, buy our first home and start a family was nothing out of the ordinary. That is, until we decided that I would carry our child,” he wrote.

Before becoming pregnant, Mr Beatie stopped the testosterone injections he was receiving as part of his gender reassignment. “It had been roughly eight years since I had my last menstrual cycle so this wasn't a decision that I took lightly. My body regulated itself after about four months and I didn't have to take any exogenous oestrogen, progesterone or fertility drugs to aid my pregnancy,” he wrote.

The couple bought donor vials from a cryogenic sperm bank and, facing resistance and prejudice from doctors, resorted to home insemination. “Doctors have discriminated against us, turning us away due to their religious beliefs. Healthcare professionals have refused to call me by a male pronoun or recognise Nancy as my wife. Receptionists have laughed at us. Friends and family have been unsupportive; most of Nancy's family doesn't even know I'm transgender,” he said.

One doctor instructed him to start shaving his facial hair.

Mr Beatie's first successful insemination ended in a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy with triplets that required surgery, resulting in the loss of all his embryos and his right fallopian tube. “When my brother found out about my loss, he said, 'It's a good thing that happened. Who knows what kind of monster it would have been',” he wrote.

The second pregnancy, however, resulted in a healthy baby girl who is due to be born on July 3.

“I will be my daughter's father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family,” he wrote.

Mr Beatie would not be the first transgender man to give birth, according to Dr Lisa Masterson, an obstetrician at Cedars-Sinai Medical Centre in Los Angeles.

“A transgender man can be pregnant because he has the same organs as a woman,” Dr Masterson said on ABC's Good Morning America show.

Dr Masterson said however that transgendered men face special health risks resulting from their sex change. “It's really important that he doesn't take any testosterone early on in the pregnancy and later on,” she said. “That can cause male-type characteristics in the female baby.”

Some of the Beaties' neighbours in Bend voiced scepticism about the pregnancy claim. One resident, Josh Love, told ABC: “I couldn't say that he looks pregnant. I can stick my stomach out and almost make it look like that. I think it's kind of bizarre. I don't know if I believe it or not.”

The Advocate said it had confirmed the story with Mr Beatie's doctor.

If this is true, and there's no risk for the baby, awesome. Some moron in the spanish newsite I found this said "you're either a man, or a woman, but can't choose when it suits you". Bet he's jealous.
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It would be less offensive towards transsexuals if the quotes around man in the title were removed.
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Cecelia5578 wrote:It would be less offensive towards transsexuals if the quotes around man in the title were removed.
True, but while a man can't give birth, a "man" can.
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Sorry, wasn't trying to be offensive, that's how the article was titled in the Spanish news site.
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Cecelia5578 wrote:It would be less offensive towards transsexuals if the quotes around man in the title were removed.
True, but while a man can't give birth, a "man" can.
I have to agree: a biological male giving birth would be a MUCH different story than a F2M transexual, cool though it is.
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Question: how would the massively higher amount of testosterone in a trans-man's body affect fetal development?
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For a minute, reading the article, I thought that it was an M-to-F trans who was giving birth...guess we're still a bit far off from that particular achievement.
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Gullible Jones wrote:Question: how would the massively higher amount of testosterone in a trans-man's body affect fetal development?
Assuming the person in question was stupid enough to continue testosterone therapy while pregnant? (If testosterone is stopped the level will drop to normal female levels on its own).

Excess testosterone could result in a child with XX chromosomes being born with genitalia that look male, to the point of having a penis, false testes, erections, etc. Once in awhile it happens naturally and sometimes is not discovered until the person affected starts menstruating through the penis opening although that's an extreme manifestation. More typically, the genitals are "ambiguous" with, depending on how you look at it, either an enlarged clitoris or "micropenis", maybe or maybe not an external vaginal opening, maybe or maybe not a scrotum like structure.

The effect on a child with XY chromosomes would probably be less extreme in one sense, but could certainly have side effects.
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So obviously the "guy" still has a uterus, ovaries, etc. Just no vagina? Sure, birth will need to be via c-section but could there be other complications? Will there still be contractions and other signals that its "time"?
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I thought Female to Male Sex Changes would by nature sterilize the recipient.

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Darth Servo wrote:So obviously the "guy" still has a uterus, ovaries, etc. Just no vagina? Sure, birth will need to be via c-section but could there be other complications? Will there still be contractions and other signals that its "time"?
There was apparently no reconstructive surgery, just breast removal, so a natural birth is theoretically possible, but unlikely.
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Zor wrote:I thought Female to Male Sex Changes would by nature sterilize the recipient.
While removal of internal reproductive organs is typical it is not required. Nor does it mean this person has no vagina - given that penis construction is problematic some F2M people opt to leave the genitals intact while modify the appearance of the rest of the body.
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LordOskuro wrote: If this is true, and there's no risk for the baby, awesome. Some moron in the spanish newsite I found this said "you're either a man, or a woman, but can't choose when it suits you". Bet he's jealous.
Nah, he´s just wrong. I mean, it´s clearly apparent that you can choose when it suits you.
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I was referring to some random internet guy posting that comment in the news site. According to him, the whole transgender pregnancy was wrong because you have to choose a gender and stick with it, and can't change your mind.
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LordOskuro wrote:I was referring to some random internet guy posting that comment in the news site. According to him, the whole transgender pregnancy was wrong because you have to choose a gender and stick with it, and can't change your mind.
Why?

Is there any social value in such a requirement as that?
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So does he have a penis, or a vagina? If he doesn't have a vagina, how did he get pregnant? Does he simultaneously have both a penis and a vagina? How can someone be called a "man" if they don't have male genitalia?
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
LordOskuro wrote:I was referring to some random internet guy posting that comment in the news site. According to him, the whole transgender pregnancy was wrong because you have to choose a gender and stick with it, and can't change your mind.
Why?

Is there any social value in such a requirement as that?
But he's not changing his mind, and is continuing to live as a guy, even while he is pregnant. FTMs sometimes use the fact that they were born with xy chromosomes to gain entrance into women's only spaces, i.e. the whole Michigan Womyns Music Festival mess, but this isn't one of those moments.
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pucky18 wrote:So does he have a penis, or a vagina? If he doesn't have a vagina, how did he get pregnant? Does he simultaneously have both a penis and a vagina? How can someone be called a "man" if they don't have male genitalia?
He is legally male, has no breasts as far as I could tell from the article, and attempts to perform a 'male' role in his relationships. He does, however, have a vagina and uterus instead of a penis.

Yes, it's weird, but blame it on the screwed-up-edness of gender in general.
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pucky18 wrote:So does he have a penis, or a vagina? If he doesn't have a vagina, how did he get pregnant? Does he simultaneously have both a penis and a vagina? How can someone be called a "man" if they don't have male genitalia?
Because "man" is a social role. Male is a biological definition. He performs a male social role, thus, he is a man. He may not be biologically male, but since he performs the social role of one, he fits the definition of a man.

Granted, I personally think this entire thing is dodgy, but it's a personal choice. The embryo was regardless implanted, and as stated in the OP contains his wife's DNA and that of a sperm donor; he is certainly sterile by now after testosterone treatment, but the womb still functions.
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pucky18 wrote:So does he have a penis, or a vagina? If he doesn't have a vagina, how did he get pregnant? Does he simultaneously have both a penis and a vagina? How can someone be called a "man" if they don't have male genitalia?
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pucky18 wrote:How can someone be called a "man" if they don't have male genitalia?
That, my friend, is the crux of a lot of confusion about transgenderism.
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pucky18 wrote:So does he have a penis, or a vagina? If he doesn't have a vagina, how did he get pregnant? Does he simultaneously have both a penis and a vagina? How can someone be called a "man" if they don't have male genitalia?
If your balls and dick were bitten off and eaten by a wild boar, would you not be a man anymore?
Christ, you managed to make that rhyme.

It's bloody well right, though, and shows up how silly these objections are.
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My post was quite hastily done, and did not include my question why someone who was genetically male should be considered female.
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pucky18 wrote:My post was quite hastily done, and did not include my question why someone who was genetically male should be considered female.
Because their brain is wired differently and they desire to be physically (and socially) changed because of it isn't enough?
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pucky18 wrote:My post was quite hastily done, and did not include my question why someone who was genetically male should be considered female.
I love this. The moment a topic like this comes up, someone has to bring up transwomen, probably because it makes their masculinity uncomfortable, that they'd be attracted to a hot woman who happens to have had an XY chromosome structure, most likely.

Dumbass. Are your prejudices that easy to see through?

At any rate, the question can be answered in exactly the same way as your prior complaint--because they perform a woman's social role, they should be treated as women. The genetics are not an issue there. What right do you, society, or anyone have to prevent people from behaving according to the social role they feel most comfortable in?

The correct answer, by the way, is "none".
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