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Hiltery's Aide attacks Nobel Peace Prize Winner

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Extraordinary tirade today from Jamie Rubin, State Department assistant secretary in Bill Clinton’s administration and now a Hillary Clinton advisor, who branded Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, formerly David Trimble, as a “crankpot” (presumably a cross between a crank and a crackpot) - and anti-woman to boot - for daring to call into question the former First Lady’s Northern Ireland role.

Rubin also came dangerously close to suggesting that it is only Irish Catholics who matter, saying he was “pretty much the only one” questioning Hillary’s Irish credentials. “He’s a Protestant, they traditionally go with the Conservatives.” Well, it’s not true that Trimble (now a Conservative member of the House of Lords) is the only one scratching his head about Hillary’s self-proclaimed Irish peace credentials. There have been many others, Protestant and Catholic. And I’m not sure that trashing a Nobel Prize winner or brushing aside what Protestants, the majority in Northern Ireland, think is really the way to go for the Clinton campaign on this issue.

You can watch the video here. The relevant part starts about 5 minutes and 30 seconds in. Andrea Mitchell is asking him why Hillary Clinton appears to be exaggerating her role, which the former First Lady recently described as “instrumental”. He pulls out a piece of paper and reads a quotation from the late Mo Mowlam, former Northern Ireland Secretary, about Hillary helping to bring about an economic boom.

Mitchell: “As you know, there are others, like David Trimble, who disagree.”

Rubin: “I’ve met David Trimble. And he’s pretty much the only one. He’s a Protestant, they traditionally go with the Conservatives. I think we have a John Hume, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, who said…”

Mitchell: “It was David Trimble who shared in that prize, Jamie.”

Rubin: “Right, and I know these people. I’ve been living over there. David Trimble is a crankpot and what he said about her was demeaning. He said, ‘Oh well, maybe she accompanied her husband on a couple of trips’. As a woman, Andrea, I would think you would recognise when somebody is trying to demean the activities of a woman. She was an important First Lady in foreign policy. I know. I was in that administration and we understood she was not serving tea and cookies, she played a significant role.”
Funny how in realty, not Hitleryland, she was slated by every Irish political party (except for Sinn Fein, the IRA's political wing) involved in the damn process.

Rubin, for a man who worked as such a high level in politics has no grasp at tact, diplomacy or even intelligence. Then again perhaps he's just imitating his employer.
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I'm not much of an expert on UK politics, but doesn't the UK's Conservative Party make most US Democrats look like libertarians by comparison?
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Glocksman wrote:I'm not much of an expert on UK politics, but doesn't the UK's Conservative Party make most US Democrats look like libertarians by comparison?
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Has Hillary even made any implication that she did anything other than accompany Bill, and maybe have tea with a few dignitaries? It will be interesting (and fortunate) if she resorts to brazen lying again to bolster her Ireland peace credentials.
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Glocksman wrote:I'm not much of an expert on UK politics, but doesn't the UK's Conservative Party make most US Democrats look like libertarians by comparison?
But they're CALLED conservatives, so saying 'wooo conservative' gives a totally misleading impression. Soundbytes a-gogo. :)
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pucky18 wrote:Has Hillary even made any implication that she did anything other than accompany Bill, and maybe have tea with a few dignitaries? It will be interesting (and fortunate) if she resorts to brazen lying again to bolster her Ireland peace credentials.
Read it from the horses mouth itself so to speak.
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Hillary Clinton: A Strong Partner for Northern Ireland

Today, Hillary Clinton joined with Irish-Americans at Saint Patrick’s Day parades and celebrations in Scranton and Pittsburgh. Her visit came on the heels of a meeting with the British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Shaun Woodward, where she discussed the status of the peace process, the work of the new devolved government, and the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for Northern Ireland.

As President, Hillary is committed to achieving lasting peace and reconciliation and to supporting the Northern Ireland government, building on her 13 years of working for peace and prosperity in Northern Ireland.

“As the 10-year anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement approaches, I salute the brave and tireless efforts of the parties to the pact, and the contributions of so many citizens to the resolution of the conflict and the achievement of peace,” said Clinton. “As President, my administration will deepen and strengthen ties between the United States and Northern Ireland, and between the people of the United States and those who live on the island of Ireland.”

Hillary’s presidential agenda builds on her long record. She traveled to Northern Ireland seven times between 1995 and 2004, and gave what Northern Irish leader and Nobel Laureate John Hume recently described as “decisive support” to the peace process in Northern Ireland. Her work at the grassroots and behind-the-scenes helped cultivate the conditions necessary for the peace to take hold and last.

In fact, in recent days several people deeply involved in the peace process noted Hillary Clinton’s contributions. For example, in a recent interview in the Irish Times, Gerry Adams, President of Sinn Fein, said, “Senator Clinton played an important role in the peace process…I met the senator on many occasions when she was First Lady, and subsequently when she became a senator for New York State. I always found her to be extremely well informed on the issues.”

In an article published this week in the Irish-American paper, Irish Voice, Martin McGuinness, Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland said, “She made a huge contribution towards lifting the esteem of women in our society by the fact of seeing someone of such high office taking an interest and concern in them. I think the events in Ireland at that time were incredible and remarkable and she certainly played an important part.”
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Shit clicked quote too soon.

The blog above led to David Trimble, who was leader if the Ulster Unionist Party and not a Tory Peer then, stating that she was a "a cheerleader" for the process, not one of the main driving forces.

[quote="From the Beeb]Hillary Clinton was a cheerleader, not a star player when it comes to the game of peace in Northern Ireland. So says David Trimble.

"I don't know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill going around... I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player," he told the Daily Telegraph last week.

It's an arresting image - Hillary Clinton in ra-ra skirt with pom poms: two, four, six, eight, who does Hill appreciate?

Not David Trimble. His barbed comments forced the presidential hopeful to post a glowing testimonial from Mr Trimble's fellow Nobel Laureate John Hume.

As we approach the 10th anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement, in the midst of a hard-fought selection process for the Democratic candidate for president, such assessments have impact.

Not because Ireland is an issue for Democrats, but because Mrs Clinton's experience is.

Not only do Mr Trimble's comments call into question the nature of her role a decade ago, but by suggesting that she's exaggerating it is also an attack on her honesty today.

While Mr Trimble says he doesn't want to rain on Hillary's parade - win or lose, she's unlikely to forgive.

For even at the very top of the game, politics remains a very personal kind of business.

Bill Clinton was frosty to John Major when he became president because during his election campaign the Conservatives had rifled through MI5 files on behalf of his Republican opponents looking for dirt on Bill while he had been a student at Oxford.

When Clinton granted Gerry Adams a visa, Major returned the favour by refusing to take the US president's calls.

This latest spat is not the first time David Trimble has criticised a Clinton.

He accused Bill Clinton of having a "sentimental attachment to Irish republicanism" and implied that President Bush would be firmer on the issues of democracy and terrorism.

In his memoirs Bill Clinton describes Trimble as "dour".

When I interviewed the former president for The Politics Show I asked him about his relationship with the then Ulster Unionist leader.

"I did not have poor relations with that man, David Trimble," he said - or something like that - as he shifted uncomfortably in his seat, crossing his legs and pulling his left ear.

If we'd been playing poker I'd have bet the pot.

After the formal interview, he lingered to chat about the state of the peace process.

It was July 2004 and the DUP was now the bigger of the two unionist parties following the 2003 assembly elections - and the Westminster rout was to follow a year later.

Mr Clinton was interested in David Trimble's recent criticism of him and made a few comments to the effect that if Bush was so good for Trimble, why was Trimble now leading the smaller of the two unionist parties.

As he left the room he leaned his head into the doorway and with a mischievous smile shouted back in that thick southern drawl: "And you tell old Trimble that I still like him." It seems the feeling is mutual. [/quote]
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