Goth killers convicted

[Darth Raptor]

They're also of somewhat dubious effectiveness and seem to be a way for the government to punish people without doing anything that would require any real resources, but that may just be my cynicism speaking.

It doesn't help that many chavs consider ASBOs a rite of passage.

[Swindle1984]

It's people like these that make me think deterrance is by far the most important consideration for prisons.

Most criminals are not deterred by the possibility of prison. Most of them get out within a short period of time and their stay in the Gray Bar Hotel just adds to their status among their filthy peers.

No, the only deterrence that really works is the threat of getting killed as a direct result of their actions. In the US, violent crime has dropped somewhat in every single state that has passed laws allowing civilians to obtain permits to carry concealed handguns. The town of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law REQUIRING every adult to own at least one firearm. The burglary rate dropped 89% almost immediately, and has remained an average of 72% lower than it was prior to the passage of the law ever since then.

Criminals aren't afraid of prison. They ARE afraid of getting killed by a victim that suddenly fights back. Criminals don't want a fight, they don't want to risk serious injury or death, they want to attack someone who is helpless, an easy target, so they can get what they want (money, rape, murder, whatever) without much of a hassle. According to FBI statistics, more than 2.5 million crimes are prevented annually because the victim pulled a gun; less than 8% of those involved the criminal being killed or wounded, because simply brandishing was often enough to scare the attacker away or make him surrender.

In England, guns are severely restricted and people can be charged with murder and sent to prison merely for using a gun to defend themselves against a violent attacker. Few people can fight back, and the ones who can are afraid of being punished for defending themselves. Criminals don't have those restraints. Which is why crime has been rising steadily; criminals aren't deterred by jail time (which requires you to be caught and convicted in the first place), and now they have little to fear from their victims.

[Swindle1984]

Does anyone remember that "chav hunt" video that some high-class british school kids made a while back? i'm thinking that might be a suitable punishment for these two assclowns.

shit like this really puts my hatred of american "wiggers" in perspective. They may be annoying as hell, but at least they don't beat people to death because they're different.

Chavs pretty much are British wiggers, and I don't know if there are stupid but placid ones to compliment the violent ones, but I've definitely been confronted by violent wiggers who have a problem with metalheads, and I live in Canada. I can only imagine what kind of tryhard violent white assholes subscribing to gangsta culture there are in America.

Either way, is anyone surprised? These kids have been partaking in something unprecedented in popular culture. While there has always been darker aspects of youth counterculture since the 60's made love and peace look futile, I can't think of anything analogous to gangsta culture ever taking place in popular culture before. It encourages sociopathic behavior and indiscriminate violence as a badge of manhood in ways unseen since we were hucking spears at one another.

Wiggers in the US are just posers and dumbfucks. Few of them are violent, they are easily intimidated by "real" "gangstas", and all it takes is the threat of a real fight to make them back off if they try to intimidate you.

In groups, gangbangers and wiggers reinforce their behavior and build up their "courage" to behave violently because of a combination of factors; they don't want to look like pussies in front of their friends, they get egged on, etc. and it feeds on itself. Just cut them off before they can talk themselves into doing something stupid and they're easy to handle.

Had a wigger try to bum a cigarette off me once (I don't smoke, so that's two strikes against him already) after his friends encouraged him to go up to me.

"Yo dog, you got a smoke?"

"What'd you say about my mom?"

"What? I didn't say nothin' 'bout yo mom, fool. I said, you got a smoke?"

"You called me a dog. That's the same as calling me a son of a bitch. You saying my mom is a bitch?"

"What? No, dude, I just-"

"Why don't you walk your pasty ass back over to your poser friends before I smack the shit out of you for talkin' smack about my momma, you panty-waisted bitch."

Dumbfuck walked off with this confused, semi-horrified expression on his face. His friends made fun of him, I paid for my gas, and left.


Wiggers are basically worthless posers like guidos, except they imagine that they're tough shit. Instead, they're just shit.

[Psychic_Sandwich]

Is there some kind of ethic class British schools? One that teaches sociopaths that it really would be in their better interest to stop acting like that scum.

If not, why not? If there is one, I have to wonder why the British school system fails so miserably (Yeah, I know, their parents are scum as well, but the same is true for the USA and the rest of Europe as well) on a wide scale as to actually produce some sort of "chav" (whatever that word means anyway) epidemia.

It wouldn't help. These are the type of people that are probably either excluded from school or only bother to turn up occasionally anyway. Teaching people not to act like douches is, suposedly, the duty of the parents, which creates a problem when the parents are fucktards. Basically, these are the absolute bottom of the barrel. The type of people that live on welfare for their entire lives, and never grow out of slowly pulling Daddy Longlegs' apart or setting them on fire.

[Glocksman]

In the US, violent crime has dropped somewhat in every single state that has passed laws allowing civilians to obtain permits to carry concealed handguns.

I'm very progun, but correlation does not equal causation.
Remember that the crime rates also dropped during the same period in states that didn't make it easier to get a CCW.