"Biblically correct tours" at Denver Museum

pucky18 · Post by **pucky18** » 2008-03-27 09:09pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fUeoem1gR3s

Jesus Christ. What I want to know is why the museum puts up with this shit.

Andrew_Fireborn · Post by **Andrew_Fireborn** » 2008-03-27 09:19pm

o_O ... Wow... there... ... *sigh*

I realize the museum can't -really- do anything about a private group coming through their facility...

Still, just pain... pain upon them all their days...

Lettuce · Post by **Lettuce** » 2008-03-27 10:36pm

I feel really sorry for those kids. These guys are just straight up lying to them. It's so sad. ...And they're homeschooled... so this is all they're hearing.

"I come here for science, not science-fiction."

lol

...That made my head hurt. [/list]

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-03-27 10:44pm

Talk about damaging young minds.

The only hope is that some percentage of those kids will discover on their own that they've been fed goofy bullshit and lies. Not all of them, sadly. But maybe a few.

FA Xerrik · Post by **FA Xerrik** » 2008-03-28 12:21am

Lettuce wrote:I feel really sorry for those kids. These guys are just straight up lying to them. It's so sad. ...And they're homeschooled... so this is all they're hearing. :(

"I come here for science, not science-fiction."
lol

...That made my head hurt. [/list]

I wonder, then, what they would consider "science-truth..."

Lettuce · Post by **Lettuce** » 2008-03-28 12:42am

Isn't there a museum somewhere that's specifically for these people? I think I remember hearing about it a while back.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-03-28 12:51am

Lettuce wrote:Isn't there a museum somewhere that's specifically for these people? I think I remember hearing about it a while back.

That's not good enough. Fundies won't be satisfied until Creationism can be rammed down the throats of every schoolchild in America.

Lettuce · Post by **Lettuce** » 2008-03-28 01:13am

Patrick Degan wrote:
Lettuce wrote:Isn't there a museum somewhere that's specifically for these people? I think I remember hearing about it a while back.
That's not good enough. Fundies won't be satisfied until Creationism can be rammed down the throats of every schoolchild in America.

It's understandable.... Fact and faith are the same thing, after all.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-03-28 01:19am

Lettuce wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:
Lettuce wrote:Isn't there a museum somewhere that's specifically for these people? I think I remember hearing about it a while back.
That's not good enough. Fundies won't be satisfied until Creationism can be rammed down the throats of every schoolchild in America.
It's understandable.... Fact and faith are the same thing, after all.

I trust you are not serious about that.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2008-03-28 03:43am

FA Xerrik wrote:
Lettuce wrote:I feel really sorry for those kids. These guys are just straight up lying to them. It's so sad. ...And they're homeschooled... so this is all they're hearing.

"I come here for science, not science-fiction."
lol

...That made my head hurt. [/list]
I wonder, then, what they would consider "science-truth..."

Anything that doesn't conflict with the bible duh

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-03-28 03:57am

So they can't even handle William of Oakham?

Temjin · Post by **Temjin** » 2008-03-28 04:33am

I know I'm supposed surprised and and pissed off that this kind of thing is going on, but I'm not. What is actually causing me shock is a news report which is actually pretty damn pro-evolution.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-03-28 05:30am

I'd dub this "IDiot tours" or "Cretinism tours".

In fact, pulling a prank on all those holier-than-thou morons would be fun. Imagine a creationist "museum" opened which is called "ID Impossible Omnipotence Tours" (IDIOT) which totally ridicules the Biblical creationism idea

Imagine fundies going there without guessing the acronym and then being mocked by every exposition there

Raesene · Post by **Raesene** » 2008-03-28 12:02pm

I'm astonished the museum doen't have a real tour going on in parallel to the creationists' preaching and praying.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-03-28 12:06pm

Stas Bush wrote:I'd dub this "IDiot tours" or "Cretinism tours".

In fact, pulling a prank on all those holier-than-thou morons would be fun. Imagine a creationist "museum" opened which is called "ID Impossible Omnipotence Tours" (IDIOT) which totally ridicules the Biblical creationism idea

Imagine fundies going there without guessing the acronym and then being mocked by every exposition there

In America, it's OK to openly mock evolution and atheism. Preachers do it every Sunday across the land. Many creationist debaters use outright mockery heavily in debates in order to win over the crowd. But if you mock the idea of God's divine hand, you're an offensive, belligerent asshole.

Kodiak · Post by **Kodiak** » 2008-03-28 12:35pm

What drives me totally batty is when people call Evolution a religion or faith. To do this mis-represents both science and religion. Religion at best is a personal guide by which to live one's life and decidedly NOT science. Science never purports to provide the sort of moral compass which is inherent in most religions, so to treat it as such is futile. I, being a religious man, thoroughly despise such block-headed fundamentalism which picks-and-chooses which claims to refute and teaches children that religious beliefs are facts.

I think the narrator had it right when he said "most people who come on these tours are looking for confirmation in what they believe". If you need your faith in any divine power confirmed by a museum tour, your faith isn't worth the price of admission.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2008-03-28 01:09pm

The hypocrisy burns when a fundie preacher blames evolution biologists of circular reasoning

Kodiak · Post by **Kodiak** » 2008-03-28 01:19pm

I really admired the museum curator. He seemed like he was expecting Ashton Kutcher to jump out at any moment. It was probably the most bizarre/disturbing thing I've seen since I watched the trailer for "Jesus Camp".

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-03-28 01:27pm

Kodiak wrote:What drives me totally batty is when people call Evolution a religion or faith. To do this mis-represents both science and religion. Religion at best is a personal guide by which to live one's life and decidedly NOT science. Science never purports to provide the sort of moral compass which is inherent in most religions, so to treat it as such is futile. I, being a religious man, thoroughly despise such block-headed fundamentalism which picks-and-chooses which claims to refute and teaches children that religious beliefs are facts.

The problem is that for a lot of people, if the Bible isn't literal fact then their entire worldview collapses. They can't come to grips with the idea that they're basically believing in something on pure faith without a shred of scientific evidence, so they try to turn the Bible into something resembling science. This way, they do not need to rely entirely on faith. Ergo, if you damage the Bible's scientific credibility, their whole belief system falls apart.

It is very difficult to get Christians to admit that there is absolutely zero logical reason or objective data to support their belief system, and that it rests entirely on faith. Those who can do it are rare; it is much more common for them to believe that there is some kind of logic and evidence behind it.

Lettuce · Post by **Lettuce** » 2008-03-28 03:13pm

Did you catch the part where they said that Jesus was their creator? ...It doesn't make sense from their own perspective.

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2008-03-28 04:07pm

Lettuce wrote:Did you catch the part where they said that Jesus was their creator? ...It doesn't make sense from their own perspective.

It might be just an interpretation. Jesus, the holy gosth and father god are supossed to be different personalities of the same god, so technically that might be accurate. However they are also supossed to be different persons

That's just another example of why religion doesn't make any fucking sense.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-03-28 07:11pm

ANGELUS wrote:
Lettuce wrote:Did you catch the part where they said that Jesus was their creator? ...It doesn't make sense from their own perspective.
It might be just an interpretation. Jesus, the holy gosth and father god are supossed to be different personalities of the same god, so technically that might be accurate. However they are also supossed to be different persons

That's just another example of why religion doesn't make any fucking sense.

Have you ever tried asking religious people about that obvious contradiction? They just smile and say that it's a paradox, as if that somehow solves the problem. Or they smile and say that it's a mystery, as if that somehow justifies believing in two contradictory things at the same time. Or worse yet, they smile and say that God is beyond logic, so it's OK for the concept of God to contradict the concept of God.

This is what happens when you flip conclusions and data upside down. The conclusion becomes treated as data, and the data can be ignored or "re-interpreted" to suit the conclusion.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-03-28 07:27pm

Given the state of education in the US (or the UK and elsewhere in the First World, for that matter), this sort of thing seems to be more common. And I'm not just talking about fundies of faith, but those of pseudo-science, business and all sorts of other fields where it's obvious we've a real reality disconnect.

For most people, this is at least the most noticeable form of brainwashing out there, least in the UK it would be. That's not to say there aren't other snake oil salesmen ready to inject your mind with similar bullshit which is no less harmful (all opinions are sacred; frugal living is for losers; being able to see your ribs is sexy; intellectualism is uncool; we can't harm the planet etc.).

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2008-03-29 06:03pm

Darth Wong wrote:
ANGELUS wrote:
Lettuce wrote:Did you catch the part where they said that Jesus was their creator? ...It doesn't make sense from their own perspective.
It might be just an interpretation. Jesus, the holy gosth and father god are supossed to be different personalities of the same god, so technically that might be accurate. However they are also supossed to be different persons

That's just another example of why religion doesn't make any fucking sense.
Have you ever tried asking religious people about that obvious contradiction? They just smile and say that it's a paradox, as if that somehow solves the problem. Or they smile and say that it's a mystery, as if that somehow justifies believing in two contradictory things at the same time. Or worse yet, they smile and say that God is beyond logic, so it's OK for the concept of God to contradict the concept of God.

This is what happens when you flip conclusions and data upside down. The conclusion becomes treated as data, and the data can be ignored or "re-interpreted" to suit the conclusion.

Yup, the actually call it "The Mistery of Holy Trinity".

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-03-29 07:53pm

what you need to do is book the Arizonia Reservation singer leading his students on a parrallel field trip at the same time

come one you can accept differing intellegent design theories right?