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Clinton Vows To Stay in Race To Convention
She Stresses Finding Solution On Michigan, Florida Votes

By Perry Bacon Jr. and Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, March 30, 2008; A01



NEW ALBANY, Ind., March 29 -- In her most definitive comments to date on the subject, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton sought Saturday to put to rest any notion that she will drop out of the presidential race, pledging in an interview to not only compete in all the remaining primaries but also continue until there is a resolution of the disqualified results in Florida and Michigan.

A day after Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean urged the candidates to end the race by July 1, Clinton defied that call by declaring that she will take her campaign all the way to the Aug. 25-28 convention if necessary, potentially setting up the prolonged and divisive contest that party leaders are increasingly anxious to avoid.

"I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong," Clinton said in an interview during a campaign stop here Saturday. "I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don't resolve it, we'll resolve it at the convention -- that's what credentials committees are for.

"We cannot go forward until Florida and Michigan are taken care of, otherwise the eventual nominee will not have the legitimacy that I think will haunt us," said the senator from New York. "I can imagine the ads the Republican Party and John McCain will run if we don't figure out how we can count the votes in Michigan and Florida."

Asked if there was a scenario in which she would drop out before the last primaries on June 3, Clinton said no. "I am committed to competing everywhere that there is an election," she said.

The Clinton campaign requested the interview Saturday to talk about how she could win and to emphasize her focus on Michigan and Florida.

Her remarks come as Clinton faces a mounting drumbeat, driven by the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and his backers, for her to bow out and avert a party crisis. Obama's supporters argue that he is too far ahead in pledged delegates for Clinton to catch up; Clinton counters by saying that neither of them has secured the 2,024 delegates needed for the nomination.

At a news conference Saturday in Johnstown, Pa., Obama welcomed Clinton to continue campaigning. "My attitude is that Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants," he said. "She is a fierce and formidable opponent, and she obviously believes she would make the best nominee and the best president."

Central to Clinton's case that she can still win is solving the question of Michigan and Florida, whose Democratic parties scheduled primaries in January in violation of national party rules, leading to their contests being invalidated.

Dean has said he would like to find a way to seat the two delegations, but no agreement has been reached among the state parties, the Clinton and Obama campaigns, and the DNC. The failure to schedule a revote or to count the earlier results has been a major setback for Clinton, who won both primaries, though she was the only Democratic candidate on the ballot in Michigan.

Clinton on Saturday accused Obama of blocking a proposed Michigan revote. Party officials earlier this month cited problems with conducting another primary there, but Obama aides had previously detailed their concerns in a memo, which she called a "smoke screen."

"His campaign rejected the plan that was put forward," she said. "For the life of me, what Barack was afraid of in Michigan I will never understand."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in an e-mail: "Sen. Obama is actually interested in and working towards a solution, unlike Clinton, who is trying to change the rules she agreed to and is more interested in potshots than solving this problem."

Clinton hopes to overtake Obama in the overall popular vote to argue to superdelegates -- the nearly 800 party members and elected officials who are likely to determine the outcome of the race -- that she is ahead where it matters. Including Florida and Michigan in that equation could boost her vote and delegate totals, as well as bolster her argument that she is better positioned to capture big general-election swing states.

When asked Saturday how she could still win, Clinton immediately talked about wooing superdelegates, who she said "have a role and very important responsibility."

"We have to nominate someone who can go toe to toe with John McCain on national security and beat him on the economy," she said. "This will all be for naught if we don't win in November."

But in the lull before ballots are cast in the next contest, in Pennsylvania on April 22, Clinton has been deluged with calls for her withdrawal, provoking a backlash among her supporters and defiance from the candidate and her family and staff.

Bill Clinton sent out an e-mail, titled "Not big on quitting," on Saturday that reminded supporters that his wife is behind in the popular vote by less than one percentage point and that she trails by 130 delegates.

"With the race this close, it sure doesn't make sense to me that she'd leave now -- does it make sense to you?" the former president's e-mail read.

In the interview, Hillary Clinton brushed aside concerns from party leaders that the campaign will hurt the party's chances against McCain, who launched his first general-election television ad last week and who has spent the month raising money and attacking the Democrats.

"General elections start where there is a nominee or a putative nominee," Clinton said. "They think they have theirs, we don't yet have ours. . . . We have frozen this election."

Asked whether Obama could win in November, Clinton deflected the question. "I'm saying I have a better chance," she said. "You cannot as a Democrat win the White House without a very big women's vote. What I believe is that women will turn out for me."

Staff writer Shailagh Murray in State College, Pa., contributed to this report.
Faaaaaantastic work, Hillary. So come convention time, the Democrats will look like squabbling fools while the Republicans (reluctantly) coronate their appointed savoir. I'm sure that will play well with the voters. :roll:


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I wonder if she isn't hoping that if she is the unreasonable bitch that will not pull out for the good of the party, then the party bigwigs will pressure Obama to get out. It's delusional thinking, but she's shown a clear propensity for that these past few months.
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Congratulations Hillary. You're showing us all just what kind of amazing president you'd be. It's a pity that the oath of office is not exactly about looking out for Number One, isn't it? Else you'd be the perfect candidate.
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I wish I could say this is unbelievable, but I know better.
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And now, liberals finally understand why conservatives hate Hillary Clinton so goddamned much.
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I’ll be interested to see ten years ago how people look back on her failed campaign, and what absurd spins will be put on it.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:And now, liberals finally understand why conservatives hate Hillary Clinton so goddamned much.
I speak as a fairly liberal person. I HATED CLINTON SINCE THE BEGINNING. Its the fact shes such a blowhard, whos fighting the sheer power of Obama and his speeches.
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What we can hope for is that she only closely wins in Pennsylvania (the nice thing would be for her to lose Pennsylvania, but that's unlikely). It's the weightiest contest left so far, and supposedly a guaranteed win for her. A loss would probably lead to her withdrawal (I know that she says she'll continue to the Convention, but Huckabee and Romney said the same thing until the contest took a very decisive turn against them in an area that was supposed to be theirs).
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:And now, liberals finally understand why conservatives hate Hillary Clinton so goddamned much.
I only ever recall conservatives bitching about her being "a socialist".


Did anyone else first read this thread title as 'Clinton vows to go down on Shep' and want to blow their fucking brains out?
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Flagg wrote:Did anyone else first read this thread title as 'Clinton vows to go down on Shep' and want to blow their fucking brains out?
Oddly enough, yes.
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I can be certain of one thing: if Hillary does somehow wrest the nomination for herself, she's won't know what hit her after Labour Day. Because the GOP's Reichspropagandakorps has her Bosnia trip to use against her. It will get turned into her "Dukakis On The Tank" moment. McCain's media bullyboys will be able to make her out as a liar and an idiot and bludgeon her to death with it.

Hillary won't know what hit her. She probably doesn't even suspect how that, along with every campaign misstep she's made to date, is the minefield already sown in her path, and she's more than willing to destroy her party to pursue a now clearly warped vision of her inevitability. She's lost touch with reality —whether from actual delusion or being told only what she wants to hear makes little difference. In either case, the concept of "taking one for the team" is clearly lost on her.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:And now, liberals finally understand why conservatives hate Hillary Clinton so goddamned much.
I only ever recall conservatives bitching about her being "a socialist".


Did anyone else first read this thread title as 'Clinton vows to go down on Shep' and want to blow their fucking brains out?
Well, if Shep read it that way I'm pretty sure somebody needs to call 911 right now and get a paramedic over to his place to deal with the pending heart attack and/or furious outburst.
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Even if she wins, wouldnt most of Obamas supporters refuse to vote for her in the actual election?
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cosmicalstorm wrote:Even if she wins, wouldnt most of Obamas supporters refuse to vote for her in the actual election?
Before she went all Tricky Dick Nixon, most of his supporters probably would have voted for Hillary despite any misgivings about her.

Now that she's channeled her inner Donald Segretti, I'm sure a lot of Obama supporters would sooner sit it out than vote for her.
I know *this* Obama supporter would leave the Presidential portion of the ballot blank rather than vote for HRC or McCain.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:And now, liberals finally understand why conservatives hate Hillary Clinton so goddamned much.
I'd actually rather forgotten why I disliked her so much. Some of it was that I'd changed some of my political opinions since the Clinton's were in office so as I was open to reevaluate those I thought I'd give Hillary another chance.

The last month or so I keep finding myself going, "Oh yeah, now I remember why I hated her". :?

I'm almost to the point where I'd be willing to vote McCain if she pulls a fast one at the covention.
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Alan Bolte wrote:
Flagg wrote:Did anyone else first read this thread title as 'Clinton vows to go down on Shep' and want to blow their fucking brains out?
Oddly enough, yes.
I like your title better, thread title corrected(For now)

On Topic:From here statements there is a strong possibility that Clinton refused the plea-deal she was rumored to have been offered, that of Senate Majority Leader, Nancy P. would step aside and let Clinton be the number one big-wig in the Senate.

From all indications she has refused since, and because she refused it the offer of course was never made.

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Mr Bean wrote: On Topic:From here statements there is a strong possibility that Clinton refused the plea-deal she was rumored to have been offered, that of Senate Majority Leader, Nancy P. would step aside and let Clinton be the number one big-wig in the Senate.

From all indications she has refused since, and because she refused it the offer of course was never made.
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That NOS Guy wrote:
Mr Bean wrote: On Topic:From here statements there is a strong possibility that Clinton refused the plea-deal she was rumored to have been offered, that of Senate Majority Leader, Nancy P. would step aside and let Clinton be the number one big-wig in the Senate.

From all indications she has refused since, and because she refused it the offer of course was never made.
Uh Bean, isn't Harry Reid Senate Majority leader?
Indeed; Pelosi is Speaker of the House.
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Mr Bean wrote:I like your title better, thread title corrected(For now)
You know you're going to Hell for that, don't you? :twisted:
Though Shep might now squawk too loudly if it was Chelsea Clinton making the vow. :P
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Ghetto edit: could a mod change 'might now' to 'might not'?
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Rogue 9 wrote:
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Mr Bean wrote: On Topic:From here statements there is a strong possibility that Clinton refused the plea-deal she was rumored to have been offered, that of Senate Majority Leader, Nancy P. would step aside and let Clinton be the number one big-wig in the Senate.

From all indications she has refused since, and because she refused it the offer of course was never made.
Uh Bean, isn't Harry Reid Senate Majority leader?
Indeed; Pelosi is Speaker of the House.
I said the offer had never been made didn't I?
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Sorry I forgot which was which, there was a rumor on the bloggersphere that she had been offered the Senate Majority Leader spot if she gave up the race, I thought that was Pelosi's job. Not Reid.

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There's also been rumours floating about New York Governership. Best place, really. Albany is an albatross around the neck politically, and the other big name talking running is Ghouliani.
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I can't wait for the shrieking, poo-flinging slap-fight that will be the democratic national convention. It will be glorious! I might take a vacation day or two to watch the whole thing on CSPAN.
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