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Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-22 11:38am

Yes, I'm bored. Enjoy cutting this to pieces to keep your skills sharp!

*now entering Rabid Trektard mode*

An Imperial Star Destroyer uses turbo-lasers. It has been said on Star Trek explicitly that lasers do nothing to Federation shields. The Enterprise is more maneuverable, has regenerative shields and (probably) ablative hull armor. Plus, phasers have a better firing arc than turbolasers (Imperial gunners couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, where as the Enterprise rarely misses, even without Worf) and Quantum torpedoes are far more powerful than proton torpedoes or concussion missiles. The Enterprise has point-defense phasers capable of hitting a TIE fighter, and because they have no shields, one hit would destroy them. Also, the Enterprise has transporters, all they would have to do is punch a hole in the SD's shields and then start beaming torpedoes into the Imperial's engine room.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-22 12:17pm

Iggy has been infected. Quick! Somebody get the antidote!!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-22 12:22pm

IG-88E wrote:Yes, I'm bored. Enjoy cutting this to pieces to keep your skills sharp!

*now entering Rabid Trektard mode*

An Imperial Star Destroyer uses turbo-lasers. It has been said on Star Trek explicitly that lasers do nothing to Federation shields. The Enterprise is more maneuverable, has regenerative shields and (probably) ablative hull armor. Plus, phasers have a better firing arc than turbolasers (Imperial gunners couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, where as the Enterprise rarely misses, even without Worf) and Quantum torpedoes are far more powerful than proton torpedoes or concussion missiles. The Enterprise has point-defense phasers capable of hitting a TIE fighter, and because they have no shields, one hit would destroy them. Also, the Enterprise has transporters, all they would have to do is punch a hole in the SD's shields and then start beaming torpedoes into the Imperial's engine room.

HAAAAAAADOOOOOKEEEEEEEEEEN!

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-01-22 12:30pm

That's just too easy, Iggy!

Surely we can think of something, somewhere, that Trek could stand up to Star Wars at?

Say...forming an argument on something non-military. Like trade or crime rates, for example. You might argue that for a powerful military dictatorship, Star Wars has a much higher, and more powerful, concentration of criminal elements.

I don't know. Personally, I've given up hope of any trekkie, however moderate, coming up with an argument that has any hope of lasting more than two minutes.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-22 12:31pm

You forgot to mention the fact that Star Wars shields aren't advanced enough to stop anything Star Trek does, or the fact that Star Wars ships run by nuclear fusion. And you didn't even mention warpstrafing, how am I supposed to rip a trektard apart properly if he doesn't mention warpstrafing?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 01:01pm

http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/starwars/index.html

Easy...

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-01-22 01:06pm

You know, we've had our share of trolls lately. This has been a very busy week. If you had paid more attention, you wouldn't feel so bored..

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 01:38pm

Lagmonster wrote:That's just too easy, Iggy!

Surely we can think of something, somewhere, that Trek could stand up to Star Wars at?

Say...forming an argument on something non-military. Like trade or crime rates, for example. You might argue that for a powerful military dictatorship, Star Wars has a much higher, and more powerful, concentration of criminal elements.

I don't know. Personally, I've given up hope of any trekkie, however moderate, coming up with an argument that has any hope of lasting more than two minutes.

Which would simply mean a bunch of cheap criminals (not even the high end Black Sun ones) would have the capacity to wreck the UFP and the AQ.

Dont know about the borg....depends how cheap the crooks are....

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 01:38pm

Lagmonster wrote:That's just too easy, Iggy!

Surely we can think of something, somewhere, that Trek could stand up to Star Wars at?

Say...forming an argument on something non-military. Like trade or crime rates, for example. You might argue that for a powerful military dictatorship, Star Wars has a much higher, and more powerful, concentration of criminal elements.

I don't know. Personally, I've given up hope of any trekkie, however moderate, coming up with an argument that has any hope of lasting more than two minutes.

Which would simply mean a bunch of cheap criminals (not even the high end Black Sun ones) would have the capacity to wreck the UFP and the AQ.

Dont know about the borg....depends how cheap the crooks are....

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 01:39pm

Lagmonster wrote:That's just too easy, Iggy!

Surely we can think of something, somewhere, that Trek could stand up to Star Wars at?

Say...forming an argument on something non-military. Like trade or crime rates, for example. You might argue that for a powerful military dictatorship, Star Wars has a much higher, and more powerful, concentration of criminal elements.

I don't know. Personally, I've given up hope of any trekkie, however moderate, coming up with an argument that has any hope of lasting more than two minutes.

Which would simply mean a bunch of cheap criminals (not even the high end Black Sun ones) would have the capacity to wreck the UFP and the AQ.

Dont know about the borg....depends how cheap the crooks are....

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2003-01-22 01:55pm

Shit keevan, not double but a triple post

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-22 01:59pm

That has to be some record or something...

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-22 02:03pm

Dodo quad-posted once.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-01-22 02:22pm

IG-88E wrote:Also, the Enterprise has transporters, all they would have to do is punch a hole in the SD's shields and then start beaming torpedoes into the Imperial's engine room.

You forgot to add the feebleness of SW shields, with the generators exposed on such evident place...

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-22 02:34pm

Warspite wrote:
IG-88E wrote:Also, the Enterprise has transporters, all they would have to do is punch a hole in the SD's shields and then start beaming torpedoes into the Imperial's engine room.
You forgot to add the feebleness of SW shields, with the generators exposed on such evident place...

and how all you need is to fire data out the pho torp launchers and the sw fleet will instantly vaporize because of his special knee emitting solaron raditation which is fatal to Star destroyers because of it's quantum subspace particles seep right through the shields and act as a major explosion when they colide with the thaeleron radition released by geordi's visor..

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 02:35pm

Dirty Harry wrote:Shit keevan, not double but a triple post

New connection is a bit screwy (got DSL today) normally I fix such stuff....but no editing here....

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2003-01-22 02:37pm

that explains that then

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2003-01-22 02:51pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/starwars/index.html

Easy...

[/qoute]

The Galactic Empire
The Second Death Star
10 Super Star Destroyers
100 Imperial Star Destroyers
1000 Imperial Star Cruisers
~200000 TIE-series starfighters
The Rebel Alliance
2 Mon Calamari MC80 Headquarters Frigates
7 Mon Calamari MC80a Star Cruisers
10 Dreadnaught heavy cruisers
20 EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates
30 heavy transports
40 Corellian CR90 corvettes
120 Corellian CR90a blockade runners
~5000 starfighters of various models
[/qoute]

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2003-01-22 02:54pm

eww that site is evil

the guy obviously has no idea what hes talking about.

[/qoute]
TIE Advanced x1 Starfighter
Sienar Fleet Systems
Length 6.3m, Mass 2 tons
145 MGLT top speed
150 degree/sec maneuverability
1.2 cochrane hyperdrive core
2 Type-4 laser cannons (100 watts) 2 Type-4 concussion missile launchers (@3 missiles / s) with @4 missiles
60 gram concussion missiles EM starfighter sensor jamming array
Reinforced durasteel alloy single hull with quadanium steel solar panels
5 J instantaneous directed KE resist
1.4*103 J instantaneous directed KE capacity
EM polarized hull plating
1.3 watt repolarization rate
50 J instantaneous directed KE resist
2.5*103 J instantaneous directed KE capacity

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[/qoute]
either hes seriously incorrect or im seriously fucked in the head...
or both

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2003-01-22 02:58pm

haha and im not even going to bother posting his calcs for the ImpStar

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-01-22 03:11pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/starwars/index.html

Easy...

I forgot about that site, home of the 400 watt turbolaser.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 03:14pm

paladin wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:http://home.att.net/~tomjlee/starwars/index.html

Easy...
I forgot about that site, home of the 400 watt turbolaser.

"So, how do you light the mess hall in an emergency situation?"
"We use the 400w turbolasers.....specially designed for dealing with interior gloom threats."

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-22 03:14pm

*slaps Iggy in the head*

Feeling better now?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-22 03:51pm

*My attempt. Note that I do not seriously mean all these things*

1. The Borg would wipe out the Empire. We all know they can adapt to all weapons, given enough time (proven many times throughout TNG and the TNG movies)

2. TurboLASERS. Navigational deflectors. Get the hint?

3. Star Trek ships have much more maneuverability, shown obviously on-screen. Agility > brute force. Star Trek wins.

4. Star Trek has the amazing ability to figure out a solution to anything. Pretty soon, Data or someone similar would find a solution to take down an ISD's shields and do other nasties.

5. ST ships can warp strafe. SW ships cannot.

6. Executor was destroyed by a lowly A-wing. What does that say about the strength of Imperial vessels?

7. Star Trek at least tries to explain its technology, therefore it's more realistic---and better as a result.

8. Lucas sucks.

9. The E-D could hide near the surface of a star. What are 200GT turbolasers gonna do now?

10. ST beats SW. LALALALALAA I can't hear yoouu!!!

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-01-22 04:12pm

Shinova wrote:*My attempt. Note that I do not seriously mean all these things*

1. The Borg would wipe out the Empire. We all know they can adapt to all weapons, given enough time (proven many times throughout TNG and the TNG movies)

2. TurboLASERS. Navigational deflectors. Get the hint?

3. Star Trek ships have much more maneuverability, shown obviously on-screen. Agility > brute force. Star Trek wins.

4. Star Trek has the amazing ability to figure out a solution to anything. Pretty soon, Data or someone similar would find a solution to take down an ISD's shields and do other nasties.

5. ST ships can warp strafe. SW ships cannot.

6. Executor was destroyed by a lowly A-wing. What does that say about the strength of Imperial vessels?

7. Star Trek at least tries to explain its technology, therefore it's more realistic---and better as a result.

8. Lucas sucks.

9. The E-D could hide near the surface of a star. What are 200GT turbolasers gonna do now?

10. ST beats SW. LALALALALAA I can't hear yoouu!!!

Very basic arguements. Excuse me while I "compliment" Darkstar by saying he had at least a weird arguement that required some work to tear into itty bitty pieces.

Also, we already know about Thomas Lee's site, there's a thread already about it both here and at SB.com. And, sinc eI technically claimed dibs, I already e-mailed him about the numbers.

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