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cosmicalstorm wrote:This just makes my head hurt, what exactly is a "nuclear safety officer"?
A self-aggrandizing term for someone who used radiation-based medical equipment.

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Walter Wagner graduated UC Berkeley with a Minor in Physics, and a Major in Biology. Later, he discovered a novel particle in a balloon-borne cosmic ray detector, initially identified as a magnetic monopole. Though its identity remains uncertain, it is definitely not within the standard repertoire of known particles. After a three-year break from science to attend law school, Dr. Wagner resumed work in Physics and Biology at the US Veterans Administration Medical Center in San Francisco, working in Nuclear Medicine and Health Physics. He then embarked on teaching Science and Mathematics, from grade school to college. Dr. Wagner developed a botanical garden in Hawaii, and continues involvement with several professional associations, including Health Physics Society and Society of Nuclear Medicine.
He's just another crackpot guest on "Coast to Coast AM". He's probably conducting this lawsuit when he takes time off from investigating Midwest alien abduction and anal probing incidents.
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Hey I remember this guy, he's the asshat Darkfucker was using as 'proof' you could cause a low energy chain reaction. He had some cockamamie idea that the previous super-collider would create 'stranglets', whick were somekind of 'negative polarity quark' and would instantly change any other quarks they came in contact with into 'stranglets' as well. And that this would demolish the nuclear binding force that kept matter together bringing about the destruction of the universe.

He was pretty much just after the press coverage, and got laughed at, the guy in charge of the earlier experiment said something to the effect of...

'This man is a moron, the test we are doing is not actually new. We are replicating an effect cosmic ray bombardment on the upper atmosphere, we just happen to be using a gold ion for it to give us a bigger target to hit. This event happens several billion times a second just in our atmosphere. Nearly infinitely across the universe every nanosecond. If it was going to happen it would have already.'
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Rogue 9 wrote::wtf: Do the people filing this suit have any idea whatsoever about what kind of mass is required to form a black hole? It's orders of magnitude more than is on this planet; the collider could not possibly make one.
Actually, you can have a black hole of any size, provided r < 2GM/c^2. However, small black holes have a tendency to decay away into energy extremely quickly by Hawking radiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_Radiation
But nobody knows what happens when black holes approach the Planck mass. For all we know, unknown quantum gravitational effects might make them stop radiating and 'stabilise'. A bit like how quantum effects mean atomic electrons don't constantly radiate.

Don't get me wrong, I trust the qualified professionals if they say its safe.
Setesh wrote:Hey I remember this guy, he's the asshat Darkfucker was using as 'proof' you could cause a low energy chain reaction. He had some cockamamie idea that the previous super-collider would create 'stranglets', whick were somekind of 'negative polarity quark' and would instantly change any other quarks they came in contact with into 'stranglets' as well. And that this would demolish the nuclear binding force that kept matter together bringing about the destruction of the universe.
Uh, aren't strangelets legitimate physics? It's just that the kind with the doomsday characteristics have a negligible chance of being created. IIRC to be stable and to eat nuclei they had to be both massive and negative, whereas it was vastly more probable that the RHIC would make light, unstable, positive ones. A killer strangelet wouldn't destroy the universe, but it could convert the Earth into a bizarre kind of mini-quark-star.

Vacuum metastability is the one that could 'destroy' the universe at the speed of light. Or might be destroying it right now...
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Winston Blake wrote:
Strider wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote::wtf: Do the people filing this suit have any idea whatsoever about what kind of mass is required to form a black hole? It's orders of magnitude more than is on this planet; the collider could not possibly make one.
Actually, you can have a black hole of any size, provided r < 2GM/c^2. However, small black holes have a tendency to decay away into energy extremely quickly by Hawking radiation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_Radiation
But nobody knows what happens when black holes approach the Planck mass. For all we know, unknown quantum gravitational effects might make them stop radiating and 'stabilise'. A bit like how quantum effects mean atomic electrons don't constantly radiate.

Don't get me wrong, I trust the qualified professionals if they say its safe.
Setesh wrote:Hey I remember this guy, he's the asshat Darkfucker was using as 'proof' you could cause a low energy chain reaction. He had some cockamamie idea that the previous super-collider would create 'stranglets', whick were somekind of 'negative polarity quark' and would instantly change any other quarks they came in contact with into 'stranglets' as well. And that this would demolish the nuclear binding force that kept matter together bringing about the destruction of the universe.
Uh, aren't strangelets legitimate physics? It's just that the kind with the doomsday characteristics have a negligible chance of being created. IIRC to be stable and to eat nuclei they had to be both massive and negative, whereas it was vastly more probable that the RHIC would make light, unstable, positive ones. A killer strangelet wouldn't destroy the universe, but it could convert the Earth into a bizarre kind of mini-quark-star.

Vacuum metastability is the one that could 'destroy' the universe at the speed of light. Or might be destroying it right now...
It gets even dumber: the lawsuit states that since we've never observed Hawking radiation, we can't be certain of its existence, so we don't know that any microblack holes created would dissipate.

Of course, the fact that we've never observed a black hole of that diminutive size either, and only rely on the same laws of physics that tell us about Hawking radiation to posit their existence in the first place, seems to escape these idiots' microscopically short attention spans.
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Re: Doomsday lawsuit against LHC

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Walter Wagner graduated UC Berkeley with a Minor in Physics, and a Major in Biology. Later, he discovered a novel particle in a balloon-borne cosmic ray detector, initially identified as a magnetic monopole. Though its identity remains uncertain, it is definitely not within the standard repertoire of known particles.
Emphasis mine. Are they really still looking for magnetic monopoles? I mean, it would be great if they existed, for the sake of symmetry, but other than an empty slot in Maxwell's equations there's no reason to expect that they do. I suppose that it's just the kind of thing a crank like this would be looking into.
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Course they're still looking. They just consider it doubtful that they exist, or can be reproduced artificially at least. Such things would enable a Bussard-type drive to be workable for interstellar travel, which would be nice.
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Winston Blake wrote:Uh, aren't strangelets legitimate physics? It's just that the kind with the doomsday characteristics have a negligible chance of being created. IIRC to be stable and to eat nuclei they had to be both massive and negative, whereas it was vastly more probable that the RHIC would make light, unstable, positive ones. A killer strangelet wouldn't destroy the universe, but it could convert the Earth into a bizarre kind of mini-quark-star.

Vacuum metastability is the one that could 'destroy' the universe at the speed of light. Or might be destroying it right now...
That was actually part of the joke of his positions was he didn't understand what a stranglet really was either. A stranglet is short hand for 'strange quark' and is part of the equation to determine the strangeness of particles, like lambda baryons. This is determined by a mathematical formula:

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Defining how many anti-quarks to quarks are in a particle that define its decay rate in strong and electro-magnetic reactions. Since negative flavored quarks exist in this state already creating more under the doomsday theory would only accelerate the decay of particles created by smashing the atom.

In other words yes hes right negative quarks are created, no he's wrong they won't spontaneously generate more, anti-quarks are created constantly and are a basic determinant in particle decay rate.
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