Next week's Obama hate

Xisiqomelir · Post by **Xisiqomelir** » 2008-03-31 03:48pm

"Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information"

Can you see the headlines? I can!

1) "Obama hates babies"
2) "Obama hates life"
3) $randomasstard's outrage over Obama blablabla

Because you know, having babies is always a good idea and life must always be cherished and celebrated. Espec at 14-16.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2008-03-31 03:56pm

Yeah THATS not going to end well... Oi,m I likes Obama, but what was he thinking? "Punished" with a pregnacy?

Post by **Cairber** » 2008-03-31 04:00pm

I heard about this but thought it was a reply to parents who would make their girls carry the baby to term as a punishment or say that they have to "own up for their actions" and that means keeping and raising the child.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2008-03-31 04:00pm

He was thinking what every good father is thinking - underage teen pregnancy is not a pretty and a good thing to happen to someone.

Of course those girls would hypothetically be punished with a pregnancy, since it would royally screw up their lives.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2008-03-31 04:01pm

Ghetto edit: How someone can see this as something else then a father arguing in favor of sex ed puzzles me.

KlavoHunter · Post by **KlavoHunter** » 2008-03-31 04:26pm

Those who gobble down abstainence-only sex ed will hate this and rabble on for a while.

Everyone else with a couple working neurons will actually understand what he is saying.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2008-03-31 04:46pm

Thanas wrote:Ghetto edit: How someone can see this as something else then a father arguing in favor of sex ed puzzles me.

And I fail to see how you can interpret this as anything other than an attack on our nation's unborn!

That nonsense aside, it seems like an odd phrasing, especially out of context. Sure, he’s just talking about support for sex ed. You’d have to be a mouth-breathing idiot or have an axe to grind to read anything more into it, but we have plenty of mouth-breathing idiots with axes to grind around here. Also, it’s guaranteed to be replayed out of context and it’s just not going to go over well because, let’s face it, that an awfully odd way to put it.

This, incidentally, is one of the biggest problems I have with sound-bite politics. These people (political candidates that is) have to talk all the time. Of course they’re going to mis-speak, make factual errors, or flub a name here and there. It’s human nature and given the sheer volume of talking that they do, it’s astonishing they mess up as little as they do. But every time they do, it’s a week-long circus that deflects attention from their campaigns and actual platforms.

Please don’t misunderstand. It’s newsworthy that John McCain apparently does not conceive of the political importance of the Sunni-Shiite divide, or that Senator Clinton “mis-spoke” about an incident which happened completely differently than even the most generous interpretation of her story. If Senator Obama makes a comment that showcases a fundamental misunderstanding or lies about his past service than that will be news-worthy too. But nonsense like this is just grist for the media which can then be endlessly repeated by partisan bloggers and columnists. Now the whole campaign can grind to a halt while Senators Obama and Clinton can race to prove who loves babies more and Senator McCain can smugly talk about how much he loves his grandkids and he doesn’t think of them as punishment.

Bleh.

(come to think of it, does McCain have grandkids? He has adult children so I figured he would)

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2008-03-31 11:20pm

It doesn't even really matter what he said, as long as there's a usable soundbite.

For instance, Obama has the following quote. This isn't an exact quote- he mentions Alan Keyes somewhere in it, but I can guarantee you and I will literally mail you a video of me eating a baseball cap if this isn't correct:

"When it came to light that I wanted to teach age-appropriate sex education as a child grows up" [rather than all at once at say age 16 like we now do] "people started saying things like "Barack Obama supports teaching Sex Education to Kindergarteners".

*purposeful awkward pause as he considers this*

Well, I didn't really know what to say to that one.

*crowd laughs slightly*

But it's the right thing to do. And that's why I support it"

Fox news cut this down to:

"When it came to light that I wanted to teach age-appropriate sex education as a child grows up" [rather than all at once at say age 16 like we now do] "people started saying things like "Barack Obama supports teaching Sex Education to Kindergarteners".

*purposeful awkward pause as he considers this*

Well, I didn't really know what to say to that one.

*crowd laughs slightly*

But,it's the right thing to do. And that's why I support it."

Yeah. I'm not making this up. They quoted Barack Obama quoting something people have said to slander him, in order to slander him twice over with his own words.

Quite a good trick. You can see it here on this youtube video- sure, the creator is ideologically biased towards Obama and against Fox, but you can tell he hasn't remixed the fox news bit at all and it doesn't change the editing job they pulled.

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2008-03-31 11:32pm

Ghetto Edit: However, said Hat Eating Clause doesn't include me getting the details of the quote wrong. Anyone who can provide the full quote in addition to the edited version would be much appreciated.

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2008-03-31 11:40pm

Triple Post: Unfortunately I hate how these things word but as soon as I admit I can't find the full quote I do.

Barack Obama on the 2004 Senate race:
"I remember Alan Keyes . . . I remember him using this in his campaign against me, 'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners'.

Which I didn't know what to tell him. (crowd laughs)

But it's the right thing to do, to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools."

Barack Obama according to Fox News:
"'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners. (pause) It's the right thing to do."

We can expect to see politicians doing this a lot. It seems like recently it's gotten very popular with all the candidates- selective quoting and outright editing of the quotes by omission.