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Blackwater gets its contract renewed

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CNN wrote: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The State Department will renew its contract with Blackwater to provide security in Iraq, Greg Starr, acting assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, said Friday.

No provisions have been added to the contract, Starr said, but Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice ordered several changes to procedure after a September incident in which Blackwater guards shot and killed 17 people, including women and children.

The incident placed the operations of Blackwater and other security firms under scrutiny in Iraq, where an estimated 25,000 private contractors protect diplomats, reconstruction workers and government officials. Under a provision instituted in the early days of the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq, security contractors have immunity from Iraqi law.

The five-year State Department contract, which began in 2006, must be renewed every year and is up for renewal next month. Starr said, in effect, Blackwater's contract will roll over for another year.

Blackwater is one of three contractors working under a "task order" to provide security services in Iraq. The other two are Triple Canopy and DynCorp.

An agreement, or memorandum of understanding, between the State Department and U.S. military calls for a higher level of coordination and supervision of contractors, Starr said.

Blackwater still has to work under the rules of the Iraqi government, he said.

The FBI is in charge of the U.S. investigation of the September incident, in which survivors and victims' family members said Blackwater guards started shooting unprovoked.

Blackwater said its employees were returning fire after coming under attack from armed insurgents, but an Iraqi investigation called the killings "premeditated murder."

Starr said the U.S. government, in particular U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, will take a close look at the FBI's investigation report and then "decide whether it is consistent with U.S. goals and policies to continue the contract."

He said it will be important to see whether the FBI finds Blackwater itself criminally responsible, or merely a few of its employees.

"We can terminate contracts for the convenience of the government if we have to," he said. "I am not going to prejudge what the FBI is going to find in its investigation. It's complex. I think the U.S. government needs protective services."

Starr said he did have some concern about the reaction of the Iraqi government and people. But he noted that there have been only three additional "escalation of forces" incidents since the new rules of engagement.

"I am up to this point very satisfied with the changes we have seen," he said. "Essentially I think they do a very good job. The September 16 incident was a tragedy, it needs to be investigated carefully. The results of that will come out of that eventually and we will decide how we will proceed."

Blackwater spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell declined to comment, referring all questions to the State Department.
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blackwater, Because OCC doesn't exist yet...
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:blackwater, Because OCC doesn't exist yet...
Or Wayland-Yutani. Well, this is going to make things fun -- not...
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JME2 wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:blackwater, Because OCC doesn't exist yet...
Or Wayland-Yutani. Well, this is going to make things fun -- not...
No Haliburton is Wayland-Yutani. :lol:
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:
JME2 wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:blackwater, Because OCC doesn't exist yet...
Or Wayland-Yutani. Well, this is going to make things fun -- not...
No Haliburton is Wayland-Yutani. :lol:
Ah, yes, I had quite forgotten about that... :wink: 8)

Still, this isn't going to end well...
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No surprise there. The state department is almost totally dependent on Blackwater for protection for its employees - I think I remember them actually pulling all of them into the embassy when Blackwater was under questioning for said incident.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:No surprise there. The state department is almost totally dependent on Blackwater for protection for its employees - I think I remember them actually pulling all of them into the embassy when Blackwater was under questioning for said incident.
Yup, and they got permission to have some Blackwater guards back on the job the very next day. Without them leaving the green zone was out of the question, and even moving in-between the multiple independently fortified compounds inside the zone could be risky.
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I hate Blackwater, but I kind of like the fact that they exist, I remember reading all of Kim Stanley Robinsons books when I was younger, and I always figured it was kind of boring that those evil megacorporations with their own private militias and such would probably never exist in reality. Then Blackwater came along and made my day :)
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cosmicalstorm wrote:I hate Blackwater, but I kind of like the fact that they exist, I remember reading all of Kim Stanley Robinsons books when I was younger, and I always figured it was kind of boring that those evil megacorporations with their own private militias and such would probably never exist in reality. Then Blackwater came along and made my day :)
As if it's a good thing your stupid kid's dreams came a reality in this respect? Just so your personal ego can be satisfied? Fucking moron...
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cosmicalstorm wrote:I hate Blackwater, but I kind of like the fact that they exist, I remember reading all of Kim Stanley Robinsons books when I was younger, and I always figured it was kind of boring that those evil megacorporations with their own private militias and such would probably never exist in reality. Then Blackwater came along and made my day :)
So innocent people die for direct corporate profit, and you're happy about it? You're a fuckass of the worst sort; why are you not banned? :finger:
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Calm down, guys. We can all of us share the hate with Blackwater who are more deserving of it. The idea of an immune to prosecution organisation that gets to throw rednecks with guns at a problem with government backing is far more repulsive than someone feeling it validates a personal vision of the future.

And I figured Blackwater were more akin to OCP. So that's Weyland-Yutani and OCP down, who's next?
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What is the history of Blackwater that you lot hate it so much? And why such a stupid name?
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Zixinus wrote:What is the history of Blackwater that you lot hate it so much? And why such a stupid name?
Search the forums for articles on them. There are plenty of pieces for you to get a good idea on them. The name I don't see all that stupid, and certainly it's the smallest flaw in their outfit.
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Which despite being named after the locale where they started up intially, (sorta like the company I work for (corner of delaware and north streets in Buffalo NY)) still manages to sound very sinister...

...almost like bond villian comic book villian sinister..
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I thought State Department officials are supposed to be protected by the Bureau of Diplomatic Security when they're abroad. Why does the State Department need Blackwater?
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:And I figured Blackwater were more akin to OCP. So that's Weyland-Yutani and OCP down, who's next?
Umbrella?
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Galvatron wrote: Umbrella?
Funny you should say, as I was in the kitchen after typing that, I noticed my work bag (manpurse) in the middle of the floor. My Umbrella, Inc. one. I always found it ironic given the line of work I'm in.
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My Umbrella, Inc. one. I always found it ironic given the line of work I'm in.
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but Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice ordered several changes to procedure after a September incident in which Blackwater guards shot and killed 17 people, including women and children.


What changes in procedure were those? "Don't shoot women and children?"
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but Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice ordered several changes to procedure after a September incident in which Blackwater guards shot and killed 17 people, including women and children.

What changes in procedure were those? "Don't shoot women and children?"
Probably changes in the paperwork, to make sure that future incidents like this would be classified as "state secrets" and therefore not cause embarrassment to the government at home.
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Stas Bush wrote: Many Russian doctors and medical assistants sew this on their white dress because there's no regulation for additional symbols currently :lol: this is really funny, when you go around a hospital and see lots of Umbrella personnel :D
LOL, you wacky Russkies. I only have the UBCS patch, but that's on my door. I doubt I'd want jabs off those orderlies. :P
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What changes in procedure were those? "Don't shoot women and children?"
I guess common sense and morals are exempt from Blackwater personnel until government slaps their wrist. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of arsehole incidents on YouTube and the like from Iraq were down to these mercs, rather than just US and UK troops. Even then, teasing thirsty kids with bottled water is a tad less harmful than shooting them and their mothers.
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Darth Wong wrote:Probably changes in the paperwork, to make sure that future incidents like this would be classified as "state secrets" and therefore not cause embarrassment to the government at home.
Nope. That's UK thinking, not American.

Americans: Oh fuck. Well, shit happens (after torpedoing a refugee ship in WWII).

British: Oh fuck. Well, time to classify this incident as secret until 2040 and lock all information away (after torpedoing a refugee ship in WWII).
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I wonder why the State Department can't use its governmental clout, hire a shitload of ex-military and create their own security service. With government money they can outbid any private company for mercs, with the added bonus of having total and full control of the situation.

Is it because of liability issues? They can create "outs" in their contract so the employees are treated as employees and not military if need be, and know they're going to be in inferior equipment like 4x4 pickups. It's not as if the USSS goes around in Humvees.
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MKSheppard wrote:
Nope. That's UK thinking, not American.

Americans: Oh fuck. Well, shit happens (after torpedoing a refugee ship in WWII).

British: Oh fuck. Well, time to classify this incident as secret until 2040 and lock all information away (after torpedoing a refugee ship in WWII).
Kind've failed then, unless you signed the OSA and are now five minutes from having a knock on the door from Little Sister and a trip to Thames House.
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