[Discussion] VI time for Voluntaryist?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2008-04-03 02:50am

Most recent HOSed thread

Next most recent.

One before that.

First and dumbest, of course.

So, that's 4 HOSed threads in 28 days. He has refused to debate honestly and effectively in the Coliseum. Is it time for the heat to be cranked up on him with a VI?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-04-03 03:28am

I will second this one, and agree to back you up on this one Sheriff Joan Brown.

Spin Echo · Post by **Spin Echo** » 2008-04-03 09:36am

I had to say I was relieved when I thought that he was just the mess prank this year, and then saddened when I realised he was not just having us on.

Title him. Maybe if he gets his ass in gear and starts debating in the Flavian Amphitheatre instead of rabble-rousing elsewhere, I might change my mind.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2008-04-03 09:53am

I don't think his debate in the Coliseum should contribute toward a VI title. It's to his credit that he's stepped up to defend his beliefs, and the debate is very slow-moving, so it's difficult to say after a round and a half whether he's demonstrating VI qualities there.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2008-04-03 10:25am

Surlethe wrote:I don't think his debate in the Coliseum should contribute toward a VI title. It's to his credit that he's stepped up to defend his beliefs, and the debate is very slow-moving, so it's difficult to say after a round and a half whether he's demonstrating VI qualities there.

I agree. The Coliseum thread ought not count towards considering him for a VI. Not when everything else he's done on this board is already a convincing demonstration of why he deserves the title.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2008-04-03 10:45am

Everything outside the colliseum is VI worthy - let's title the sniveling little arrogant bastard who has no clue how privileged he is vis a vis the rest of human history.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2008-04-03 12:21pm

Perhaps if he stopped posting elsewhere, the debate in the Colliseum would move forward. Personally, I see Voluntarist as a waste of time and posting space.

Skip the VI and ban him.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2008-04-03 12:54pm

VI for the non-Coliseum threads.

Post by **Simplicius** » 2008-04-03 04:28pm

His repeated rules violations would certainly warrant a title. Since he has been deliberately spared by Darth Wong, I don't think it would be appropriate or productive to call for a ban.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2008-04-03 11:38pm

I generally feel that we should hold off on any action until after the debate in the Coliseum is concluded.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2008-04-04 12:13am

I bloody well agree with Wilkens. We could at least wait until that debate is over before passing sentence. Its not as if we can't afford to be fair-minded (even in the face of overwhelming evidence.)

Besides which, its redundant - why the fuck bother when anyyone who reads his stuff (or sees how people react to his claims) can come to this conclusion themselves? last I recall we still like to encourage people to actually think on matters rather than mindlessly accept it (whatever the reality of the board situation is.)

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2008-04-04 01:27am

I doubt he's a long time member so I don't really see the point. If he sticks around for a while I'd be more inclined to put effort into him in this regard.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2008-04-04 08:10am

Let's do something AFTER the 1v1 debate. Given his piss poor record of trying and doing nothing but rote spouting of anarchist websites, he's likely getting a ban stick if he can't debate.

No reason to slap any title until it shows he's going to stay more then a couple months given he can't even keep up.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2008-04-04 02:49pm

Perhaps, as a lesson in real anarchy, his eventual fate could be decided by poll in The Hall of Shame, by a volunteer populace?

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2008-04-04 03:11pm

Frank Hipper wrote:Perhaps, as a lesson in real anarchy, his eventual fate could be decided by poll in The Hall of Shame, by a volunteer populace?

Oooh, an old school ban poll! I like the way you think!

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2008-04-04 07:42pm

Knife wrote:I doubt he's a long time member so I don't really see the point. If he sticks around for a while I'd be more inclined to put effort into him in this regard.

Yeah but at the same time if he's just going down this road of idiocracy then there is no point in the intermediate punishment of titling. In the edn the prupose of the tile isn't just to call attention to the truly stupid but serve as a shot across the bow that continuation will lead to banning.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2008-04-04 08:52pm

CmdrWilkens is right, there isn't much of a point to titling him. We should probably just ban him straight off.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2008-04-04 10:36pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:
Knife wrote:I doubt he's a long time member so I don't really see the point. If he sticks around for a while I'd be more inclined to put effort into him in this regard.
Yeah but at the same time if he's just going down this road of idiocracy then there is no point in the intermediate punishment of titling. In the edn the prupose of the tile isn't just to call attention to the truly stupid but serve as a shot across the bow that continuation will lead to banning.

So's a Senate thread.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-04-05 12:13am

How about just give him a Censure for avoiding his argument? Since he is here for a specific purpose, give him a specific title. Maybe "Ayn Rand's Hunchbacked Assistant" or something until he starts to address his topic?

Man, Libertarians, I swear-- the Scientologists of the political world. Instead of Xenu, it's Ayn Rand; instead of Thetans, it's the 'invisible hand'. Let's give him a time limit to address the subject or be booted.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2008-04-05 12:37am

Coyote wrote:How about just give him a Censure for avoiding his argument? Since he is here for a specific purpose, give him a specific title. Maybe "Ayn Rand's Hunchbacked Assistant" or something until he starts to address his topic?

Man, Libertarians, I swear-- the Scientologists of the political world. Instead of Xenu, it's Ayn Rand; instead of Thetans, it's the 'invisible hand'. Let's give him a time limit to address the subject or be booted.

I'd agree with an abritary title if it weren't just some cheap shot at his perceived ideology.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2008-04-05 08:22am

I don't think any action should be taken so long as the debate in the Colosseum is underway. It seems to me that it's unfair to suddenly slap one side of a special, highly-visible debate with an insulting custom title based on threads the general public can't even see. Needless to say, banning him would be completely jumping the gun, and I don't really see the reason for the hurry here.

I would not, however, be opposed to confining him to the Colosseum until the debate is over, given how long the Colosseum debate is taking and how much time he's undoubtedly wasting trying to argue with people in the HoS.

Spin Echo · Post by **Spin Echo** » 2008-04-05 09:19am

RedImperator wrote:I would not, however, be opposed to confining him to the Colosseum until the debate is over, given how long the Colosseum debate is taking and how much time he's undoubtedly wasting trying to argue with people in the HoS.

I'd second that. I wouldn't mind him arguing with people in the HOS if he were keeping up with the Colosseum debate, or if he were taking his sweet time in the Colosseum debate if he weren't arguing with people elsewhere on the board. I am irritated that he complained about having people pile on him, so a special debate thread was made just for him, and then he seems to argue everwhere* but the Colosseum.

*hyperbole

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-05 02:11pm

I support confining Voluntaryist to the Coliseum. He seems to spaminate instead of learning to argue; so perhaps he really needs to be confined to a single place, single point discussion with a single debator. If his debating manner improves, he could later leave the Coliseum and post elsewhere.

However, I do not support a ban or titling.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2008-04-05 02:17pm

Problem is confining him is much more difficult and far less productive. If this could've been done...there would be many posters this particular punishment would've been enacted upon.

Banning him is closely becoming an option if he can't do anything in the arena that he wanted. He's amusing but he's broken a shit load of rules in his former debates and he's continuing this bit in the arena.

Slapping VI on him is useless as he is never going to shape up unless an outside board problem falls upon his worthless dumbass.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2008-04-05 05:40pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Problem is confining him is much more difficult and far less productive. If this could've been done...there would be many posters this particular punishment would've been enacted upon.

There's no difficulty at all. Tell him he's not allowed to post in any threads (or maybe only not allowed to post in any debate threads) until the debate in the Collisseum is over. If he does, he's banned.