New military transport plane

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-22 10:38pm

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/a ... 66,00.html

Finally something to carry my elite strike force!

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-22 10:41pm

God damit! Boeing is trying to rip us off, luckily ours cruses at 25,000 ft and 500 Knots, and has a slightly larger payload... Suck it Boeing!

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-22 10:42pm

luckily ours cruses at 25,000 ft and 500 Knots, and has a slightly larger payload

Don't tell me...

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-22 10:43pm

Tell you what? I am being serious you know...

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-22 10:48pm

What the hell are you talking about, Crown? Nothing can carry a larger payload than the Pelican yet cruise at 25,000 feet and 500 mph.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-22 10:53pm

Nothing yet but we are working on it. Just to give you an idea if it's payload, the largest plane today is the Antov (An-255?) something or rather (the one that carries the Buran on it's back), it's maximum TO weight (fully loaded with fuel + payload + Gross empty weight) is about 1 million pounds, and this is our payload requirement.

Granted it is a student design project, but hey when I said 'ours' I didn't mean country/company...

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-22 10:55pm

yet

I see.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-22 10:57pm

Err you did click on the link right? Second project down...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-22 11:08pm

No one has ever solved the control problems with WIG, the Russians tired and failed for years, they had WIG back in the late 80's.

There are also massive problem with landing and takeoff conditions, WIG needs near perfect wind and waves, something you don't often find. Your still limited to aircraft like payloads, times of flight are longer, a WIG flying from the US to Kuwait would need to fly down the Red Sea and around into the Gulf, a C-17 can travel across Saudi in addition to being faster. Assuming it can make it down the relatively flat Sinai, possibul for lighter models that can fly up to 2500 feet for short times, impossible for a big one at 50.

Better to spend the billions needed for development on more C-17's and more fast sealift ships.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-22 11:31pm

Crown wrote:Nothing yet but we are working on it. Just to give you an idea if it's payload, the largest plane today is the Antov (An-255?) something or rather (the one that carries the Buran on it's back), it's maximum TO weight (fully loaded with fuel + payload + Gross empty weight) is about 1 million pounds, and this is our payload requirement.

Granted it is a student design project, but hey when I said 'ours' I didn't mean country/company...

You intended to land it on what exactly? Assuming you could find a long enough runway, unlikely, landing would likely explode any tires and crush the concrete. As it is AN-225 is marginal for most runways as it is.

If you're going WIG, land and takeoff is probably going to stall the engines from the fuckload of water being thrown up. Of course you'll soon lose control and the thing will cartwheel into the sea anyway.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-22 11:44pm

Trust me it will land (I am doing the landing gear for this thing), but the biggest problem is it's wing-span at the moment, looks like it will have to fold them..

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-23 12:08am

Folding wings on a 1.2 million pound capacity transport? Great idea, minus the whole folding aspect. I'd love to know how big a runway you need when wet.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-01-23 12:34am

Why again do we need to be able to deploy so quickly "within 96 hours"? Are we anticipating an imminent Chinese invasion of Japan or something?!?

Personally, it seems like a gigantic waste of money to me.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-23 01:25am

Replace "Japan" with "Taiwan"

or replace Japan with "American Forces in South Korea" and replace China with "North Korea"

Then theres that little place called the Middle East.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-23 01:46am

Uraniun235 wrote:Why again do we need to be able to deploy so quickly "within 96 hours"? Are we anticipating an imminent Chinese invasion of Japan or something?!?

Personally, it seems like a gigantic waste of money to me.

Wars outcomes, both large and small have been decided in less time then that. The 24th mechanised is a great force once it arrives, but the SL-7's need to haul it need 96 hours just to get moving to the ports of embarcation and moving and loading the equipment takes longer. It would take several weaks to get it into position.

I guess you consider the 82's 24 hour alert brigade a wast as well?