MANDO TRAVISSTY

[NecronLord]

What's all this about "The Jedi didn't even try to turn Palpatine" surely she's not said that?

Because I seem to recall them giving him a fair an honourable chance to surrender to their (admittedly probably illegal) custody. Never mind that Yoda did go to negotiate Dooku's defection, even thinking it was a trap.

[Darth Hoth]

What's all this about "The Jedi didn't even try to turn Palpatine" surely she's not said that?

Because I seem to recall them giving him a fair an honourable chance to surrender to their (admittedly probably illegal) custody. Never mind that Yoda did go to negotiate Dooku's defection, even thinking it was a trap.

If I recall correctly, that is some Legacy of the Force anti-Jedi lobbyist crap; Luke is supposedly bigoted, nepotistic or whatnots for attempting to turn Jacen and/or Vader back to the light while not doing so with Palpatine.

Never mind that he has specifically done so with other Darksiders not related to himself (Kueller, Brakiss, Kyp Durron and Lord Flint from the old Marvel run, for instance, and those are just off the top of my head), or that other Jedi always have, no matter their relation, if any, to the Dark Jedi in question... I am at a loss whether this argument, stupid even by Traviss standards, is the result of her blind hatred, or just her usual bad research.

[NecronLord]

That's laughable. Luke was in no position to turn the Emperor in any way.

[Darth Hoth]

Well, since when is Traviss to be taken seriously? I have long since excluded her from my "personal canon", even though I am otherwise a "hyperinclusionist".

[General Soontir Fel]

What's all this about "The Jedi didn't even try to turn Palpatine" surely she's not said that?

Because I seem to recall them giving him a fair an honourable chance to surrender to their (admittedly probably illegal) custody. Never mind that Yoda did go to negotiate Dooku's defection, even thinking it was a trap.

Yes she did say that. In Revelation, she says mentions that no one has tried to turn Palpatine, because he wasn't family. She also complains that Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi didn't try to turn Darth Maul on Naboo, which is even stupider.

[Aquatain]

What's all this about "The Jedi didn't even try to turn Palpatine" surely she's not said that?

Because I seem to recall them giving him a fair an honourable chance to surrender to their (admittedly probably illegal) custody. Never mind that Yoda did go to negotiate Dooku's defection, even thinking it was a trap.

Yes she did say that. In Revelation, she says mentions that no one has tried to turn Palpatine, because he wasn't family. She also complains that Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi didn't try to turn Darth Maul on Naboo, which is even stupider.

Qui-Gon : " Mr.Maul would you please stop trying to decapitate us with your lightsaber when were trying to do a intervention.. it's for your own good you'know".

Good grief..

[Darth Hoth]

What's all this about "The Jedi didn't even try to turn Palpatine" surely she's not said that?

Because I seem to recall them giving him a fair an honourable chance to surrender to their (admittedly probably illegal) custody. Never mind that Yoda did go to negotiate Dooku's defection, even thinking it was a trap.

Yes she did say that. In Revelation, she says mentions that no one has tried to turn Palpatine, because he wasn't family. She also complains that Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi didn't try to turn Darth Maul on Naboo, which is even stupider.

Qui-Gon : " Mr.Maul would you please stop trying to decapitate us with your lightsaber when were trying to do a intervention.. it's for your own good you'know".

Good grief..

May it be so that she considers the whole "I can feel the conflict in you" tirade (à la RotJ) the in-Universe equivalent of the reading of a suspect's Miranda Rights?

Thus, rather:

"Mr. Maul, we have accepted the truth that you were once someone else without a Sith name. We sense there is a conflict in you. If there is no conflict in you, be advised that that indicates that the person you used to be really is dead. If you threaten to turn members of our families to the Dark Side, we have authority to attack you. If we are Jedi without families for you to threaten, we will attack you if you cause our Masters to suffer grievous bodily harm."

[Lord_Xerxes]

What's all this about "The Jedi didn't even try to turn Palpatine" surely she's not said that?

Because I seem to recall them giving him a fair an honourable chance to surrender to their (admittedly probably illegal) custody. Never mind that Yoda did go to negotiate Dooku's defection, even thinking it was a trap.

If I recall correctly, that is some Legacy of the Force anti-Jedi lobbyist crap; Luke is supposedly bigoted, nepotistic or whatnots for attempting to turn Jacen and/or Vader back to the light while not doing so with Palpatine.

Never mind that he has specifically done so with other Darksiders not related to himself (Kueller, Brakiss, Kyp Durron and Lord Flint from the old Marvel run, for instance, and those are just off the top of my head), or that other Jedi always have, no matter their relation, if any, to the Dark Jedi in question... I am at a loss whether this argument, stupid even by Traviss standards, is the result of her blind hatred, or just her usual bad research.

It's even further sad on her part when you consider even more recent sources. Like the former Jedi turned darksider that was leading the Dark Nest (Can't recall his name at the moment). As I recall last mention of him was that after they subdued him they were keeping him in the Jedi Temple and trying to ween him off the Dark Nest's control and bring him back to light.

But sure, Luke never tries to turn anyone...

Kyp Durron, anyone?

[Havok]

Yes she did say that. In Revelation, she says mentions that no one has tried to turn Palpatine, because he wasn't family. She also complains that Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi didn't try to turn Darth Maul on Naboo, which is even stupider.

Qui-Gon : " Mr.Maul would you please stop trying to decapitate us with your lightsaber when were trying to do a intervention.. it's for your own good you'know".

Good grief..

May it be so that she considers the whole "I can feel the conflict in you" tirade (à la RotJ) the in-Universe equivalent of the reading of a suspect's Miranda Rights?

Thus, rather:

"Mr. Maul, we have accepted the truth that you were once someone else without a Sith name. We sense there is a conflict in you. If there is no conflict in you, be advised that that indicates that the person you used to be really is dead. If you threaten to turn members of our families to the Dark Side, we have authority to attack you. If we are Jedi without families for you to threaten, we will attack you if you cause our Masters to suffer grievous bodily harm."

Dude, don't be a numbnuts.
Maul, for all intents and purposes has always been Maul. There IS NO CONFLICT, is absolutely true, unlike when Vader says it in ROTJ, where clearly there is and has been. A Jedi master of Qui-Gon's status doesn't need to make a speech or spend a whole lot of time feeling feelings to realize Maul doesn't have any except hatred and anger.

And defending Traviss... really? Even just jokingly... really?

[Tiriol]

Qui-Gon : " Mr.Maul would you please stop trying to decapitate us with your lightsaber when were trying to do a intervention.. it's for your own good you'know".

Good grief..

May it be so that she considers the whole "I can feel the conflict in you" tirade (à la RotJ) the in-Universe equivalent of the reading of a suspect's Miranda Rights?

Thus, rather:

"Mr. Maul, we have accepted the truth that you were once someone else without a Sith name. We sense there is a conflict in you. If there is no conflict in you, be advised that that indicates that the person you used to be really is dead. If you threaten to turn members of our families to the Dark Side, we have authority to attack you. If we are Jedi without families for you to threaten, we will attack you if you cause our Masters to suffer grievous bodily harm."

Dude, don't be a numbnuts.
Maul, for all intents and purposes has always been Maul. There IS NO CONFLICT, is absolutely true, unlike when Vader says it in ROTJ, where clearly there is and has been. A Jedi master of Qui-Gon's status doesn't need to make a speech or spend a whole lot of time feeling feelings to realize Maul doesn't have any except hatred and anger.

And defending Traviss... really? Even just jokingly... really?

I believe that the good man was a tad bit sarcastic there, so have no fear - he most definetely is NOT defending Traviss, merely ridiculing her. Should be more or less obvious considering that Darth Hoth, by his own words, disregards Traviss' works completely.

[Thanas]

It's even further sad on her part when you consider even more recent sources. Like the former Jedi turned darksider that was leading the Dark Nest (Can't recall his name at the moment). As I recall last mention of him was that after they subdued him they were keeping him in the Jedi Temple and trying to ween him off the Dark Nest's control and bring him back to light.

But sure, Luke never tries to turn anyone...

Kyp Durron, anyone?

Or Kam Solusar or Kueller or almost every darksider he comes above. And that attitude is not only limited to himself. Basically everyone of his Jedi Order tries to save the darksider first.

[Havok]

Well, since when is Traviss to be taken seriously? I have long since excluded her from my "personal canon", even though I am otherwise a "hyperinclusionist".

Dang, sorry man. I missed this. Thanks Triol/

[Sidewinder]

That was tragically comic, considering how Luke had to make so many "Duh!" statements to refute the Mando-wankers. Maybe your next video can show Traviss strapped to a chair, hooks in her eyelids to keep them open while 'Return of the Jedi' plays in front of her. (See the brainwashing scene in 'A Clockwork Orange'.)

Glad everyone enjoyed it! Its on Youtube now as well. (For how long is anyone's guess)

Don't tell me Traviss' lackies are demanding you take your videos off of YouTube! (I'm using dial-up, and having problems with the LiveVideo posts.)

[Darth Hoth]

Well, since when is Traviss to be taken seriously? I have long since excluded her from my "personal canon", even though I am otherwise a "hyperinclusionist".

Dang, sorry man. I missed this. Thanks Triol/

No problem, although I personally thought the sarcasm was rather obvious.

[Chris OFarrell]

You know Poe, I still think your a hatfucker and we'll probably hate each other until the heat death of the universe, but bloody hell that video made me laugh so hard that I had to pause it before my lungs were coughed up...

[Aratech]

However, I do feel a little sorry for poor Boba, as opposed to the original Traviss creations; he never really asked to be part of all this when the authoress went off the bend, did he? I would imagine him more of an injured professional, outraged/saddened that someone was cashing in cheaply on his reputation and blatantly misrepresenting him.

I too share this opinion. Boba was one of my favorite characters from the OT, and I did enjoy reading some of the comics about him and the like.

Then along came Traviss.

I stand by the fact that if you ignore her little 3,000,000 clones nonsense, Hard Contact and Triple Zero are actually fairly good stories, and the fact that it actually displays highly competent troops is invigorating.

Then... I'm not sure what happened to the lady.

Was it not sufficient that Boba was supposed to be the greatest hunter in the galaxy? That he was a man who could, while suffering from cancer and having to make do with a sub par artificial leg that wasn't even properly calibrated, take out the most wanted man in the galaxy, while in his shorts and armed with nothing more than a high tech compound bow? I mean, really, when would he have had time to go about with all this jedi killing?

Dear Traviss: please cease and desist with the violation and destruction of my childhood memories. I have few enough left as it is. And get it through your head that Fett is not some 40K Terminator-esque army of one, please.

As an aside, I don't suppose this overrules her little mandowank?

http://origin.www.atomfilms.com/film/jedi_hunter.jsp

And second, has it ever been stated how many troops Obi-Wan had with him when he went hunting Grievous?

[Aratech]

Ghetto Edit Havokeff, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Much like dealing with Trektards, Traviss' works tend to cause a person's sarcasm detector to break.

[NecronLord]

Y'know, it occurs to me that Luke has, when he was in a position to, while not tried to turn Palpatine, certainly been willing to take him alive. He cuts Palpatine's hand off at the end of Dark Empire and demands that he surrender himself to alliance custody.

[Elfdart]

Can someone explain, after watching the movies, why Boba Fett is any more "badass" than the Gonzo-looking alien who leads the stormtroopers to Docking Bay 94? At least Darth Gonzo didn't die a punk death.

[Molyneux]

Can someone explain, after watching the movies, why Boba Fett is any more "badass" than the Gonzo-looking alien who leads the stormtroopers to Docking Bay 94? At least Darth Gonzo didn't die a punk death.

I think it's the look of the armor, combined with the attention that other characters pay to him on-screen. "No disintegrations", remember?

[Darth Hoth]

Y'know, it occurs to me that Luke has, when he was in a position to, while not tried to turn Palpatine, certainly been willing to take him alive. He cuts Palpatine's hand off at the end of Dark Empire and demands that he surrender himself to alliance custody.

And let us remember that that was after he realised the Emperor's true nature as the Dark Side incarnate...

[NecronLord]

Though to be strictly fair, killing Sidious there wouldn't have done Luke much good. Capturing him would be far preferable.

[Havok]

Can someone explain, after watching the movies, why Boba Fett is any more "badass" than the Gonzo-looking alien who leads the stormtroopers to Docking Bay 94? At least Darth Gonzo didn't die a punk death.

I think it's the look of the armor, combined with the attention that other characters pay to him on-screen. "No disintegrations", remember?

It goes a little beyond that. Lucas isn't stupid. He knew that Boba was going to be popular that is why he was a pre-release toy for TESB, why he was in the Holiday Special and why he got the line "No Disintegrations" directed at him as well as getting to capture Solo. However, I don't think he was thinking it was going to be the phenomenon that it has become outside of a few years or he wouldn't have killed him the way he did. IIRC he said that in an interview one time.

So basically, he knew it would generate good toy and merchandising sales which at the time he still needed to keep Lucasfilm making the movies.

[NecronLord]

Well, hell, he's the one who outwits the others and finds our heroes, and he looks pretty cool. No reason for him not to be popular.

[Imperial Overlord]

Well, hell, he's the one who outwits the others and finds our heroes, and he looks pretty cool. No reason for him not to be popular.

And he gets paid twice, once by Vader and again by Jabba, for the same capture. That's the epitome of cut-throat mercenary success.