Theoretical warship: Evaluate

[Mr. B]

How about a German U-boat?

How about a rowboat with a stick of dynomite.

[Stravo]

How about a German U-boat?

How about a rowboat with a stick of dynomite.

Dolphin with a roman candle??

[Mr. B]

How about a German U-boat?

How about a rowboat with a stick of dynomite.

Dolphin with a roman candle??

Fish with a sparkler.

[Stravo]

How about a rowboat with a stick of dynomite.

Dolphin with a roman candle??

Fish with a sparkler.

Seamonkey with a safety pin??

[Mr. B]

Dolphin with a roman candle??

Fish with a sparkler.

Seamonkey with a safety pin??

Seaweed with a pebble.

[Stravo]

Fish with a sparkler.

Seamonkey with a safety pin??

Seaweed with a pebble.

Algae with some gravel

[Mr. B]

Seamonkey with a safety pin??

Seaweed with a pebble.

Algae with some gravel

Bacteria with a molecule of dust.

[Stravo]

Seaweed with a pebble.

Algae with some gravel

Bacteria with a molecule of dust.

Virus with an excited electron

[Mr. B]

Algae with some gravel

Bacteria with a molecule of dust.

Virus with an excited electron

Uranium atom with a quark.

[Stravo]

Bacteria with a molecule of dust.

Virus with an excited electron

Uranium atom with a quark.

DAMN

[Mr. B]

YEAH THATS RIGHT STRAVO!!!!!!!!

YOU TAKE THAT AND YOU LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!

[Sea Skimmer]

Moving right on back to reality..

It's sufficiently large that it wont break up after one or two under the keel torpedo hits, 4-8 would put it out of action without question. However, sinking would likely take somewhat more effort, a dozen fish at least. It's sufficiently big, that it would likely remain afloat even after being blown in half.

Suffice to say, any sub with 1950's weapons or better could cripple this thing, Everything from a Foxtrot to Type-205 to a Yankee Notch to a 688i could do it.

To combat it I'd personally take a Sierra II, eight 650mm tubes with 40 weapons will surely sink a 20 million ton ship. A Sea Wolf could transport more weapons, 50, but the USN never developed a torpedo over 21 inches so the bigger tube size advantage is lost. Not sure if the math would work out, but I believe the larger Russian fish would have a big enough advantage in explosive weight to make up for the difference.

My second choice is an Oscar II, in fact this might be better then the Sierra. 28 torpedoes will certainly sink the target, and the opening salvo would knock out power. Then I fire the SS-N-19's.

The HE warheads wont penetrate the armor, but the massive air group will explode into flames in short order and doom the ship on its own. I'd say twelve hours before the fires have gutted the ship.

[LordShaithis]

"Uranium atom with a quark."

Neutron with your penis. :twisted:

[Admiral Piett]

I readed a year ago on popular mechanics that there is a billionaire that is projecting to build something of similar to be used as a tax free zone,containing luxury flats,offices etc.
In the article it was clearly stated that a ship of that size cannot be built with a conventional hull,it would be too fragile.So the superstructures are built on a series of prefabricated small hulls.It can be done only in this way.
And about sinking it I reiterate,a Kilo class submarine (the US Navy has phased out all their nuclear torpedoes) with a single nuclear torpedo.I doubt that even the full missile load of an Oscar 2 would sink her.

[Admiral Piett]

I readed a year ago on popular mechanics that there is a billionaire that is projecting to build something of similar to be used as a tax free zone,containing luxury flats,offices etc.
In the article it was clearly stated that a ship of that size cannot be built with a conventional hull,it would be too fragile.So the superstructures are built on a series of prefabricated small hulls.It can be done only in this way.
And about sinking it I reiterate,a Kilo class submarine (the US Navy has phased out all their nuclear torpedoes) with a single nuclear torpedo.I doubt that even the full missile load of an Oscar 2 would sink her.

[Sea Skimmer]

That would be Freedom ship your thinking of, its about 3 million tons.


Missiles don’t cause that much flooding, however an Oscar's missile load would reduce the ship to a burned out hulk. 28 torpedoes would easy sink it once abandon. But there's really no need to sink it, the fires will destroy it and render it a complete loss anyway. I'd save my torpedoes for the escorts.

I don't see a need for nukes, though if that’s what you're going to use, I suggest you get an Alfa so you can run way really fast. Most nuclear torpedoes are near suicidal, that’s why the USN invested in a Nuclear SUBROC, to provide enough stand off. The Russians also moved on to the SS-N-16 for similar reasons, though they also wanted it for its air burst capacity for attacking land targets.

Course then we have the VA-111 Shkval, 3 mile range, no guidance, one nuclear bomb. Might as well take the enemy down with you when those ADCAP's lock on..

Note: Yes I am aware that a new version of the Shkval has come out with guidance and a conventional warhead. It proved quite effective against the Kursk..

[Manji]

OK then, how many shafts of the largest feasible propellor size would be needed to give it decent speed?

How about 24?

30?

How about water jet propulsion as an alternative to a propellor?

[Admiral Piett]

OK then, how many shafts of the largest feasible propellor size would be needed to give it decent speed?

How about 24?

30?

How about water jet propulsion as an alternative to a propellor?

It is not that simple.Too many propellers will interfere with each other,so they will not increase significantly the speed.To put it in simple terms, forget about doing 30 knots if this is what you have in mind.This thing will be VERY slow even if you use 60 propellers.

[Crown]

Umm I guess it sounds cool, except for one thing, if it carries strike aircraft why does it have so many ship-to-ship aramants? I mean since WW2 the large battleship, pretty much became null and void due to the aircraft carrier, why combine the two.

At best it's wasted space, I mean for it to even engage into ship to ship combat, that would mean that;

• It's aircraft all failed, or were destroyed unlikely.
• It didn't even launch it's aircraft, millions of dollars worth of aircraft just wasted

So I think one or the other, well that's my two cents....

[Admiral Piett]

I have done some research about the freedom ship.They plan to use 100 propellers driven by diesel electric engines but this is done mainly to steer the monster.Maximum speed is not specified but it seems to be quite low,despite they are planning to use one hundred of the biggest diesel electric engines ever built.
The funny thing is that no lifeboats are provided
Even more funny apparently William Shatner is interested in buying an apartment on it (Palpatine style evil laughter)

[RayCav of ASVS]

I have done some research about the freedom ship.They plan to use 100 propellers driven by diesel electric engines but this is done mainly to steer the monster.Maximum speed is not specified but it seems to be quite low,despite they are planning to use one hundred of the biggest diesel electric engines ever built.
The funny thing is that no lifeboats are provided
Even more funny apparently William Shatner is interested in buying an apartment on it (Palpatine style evil laughter)

A Nuke plant would be far, far smarter.

Hell, make it a damn multi-barge!

[Sea Skimmer]

Freedom ships flank speed is about 10 knots. A nuclear plant wont work, many of the nuts who they hope will live on this thing are likely rabidly anti nuclear...

[Iceberg]

My response is the same as it was on SB - this ship blows, and it'll probably sink the moment it comes off the ways.

[Ted]

Theoretically, this ship would float, and could be built if you had 40 million tons of steel.


Monstrosity, laid down 2000

Length, 5200 ft x Beam, 900.0 ft x Depth, 450.0 ft
39111428 tons normal displacement (35008828 tons standard)

Main battery: 24 x 16.0-inch (8 x 3; 4 superfiring)
Secondary battery: 20 x 1.6-inch

Weight of broadside: 49193 lbs

20 TT, 18.0"

Main belt, 36.0 inches; full length
Upper belt, 36.0 inches
Torpedo bulkhead, 14.0 inches
Armor deck, average 24.0 inches
C.T., 48.0 inches

Battery armor:
Main, 24.0" / secondary, 1.0" shields


Maximum speed for 299611 shp = 10.46 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 481300 nm / 10.5 kts

Typical complement: 247285-321470


Estimated cost, $81431.211 million (£20357.803 million)

Remarks:

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.

Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 6149 tons = 0 pct
Armor, total ..................... 2866440 tons = 7 pct

Belt 322291 tons = 1 pct
Torpedo bulkhead 787878 tons = 2 pct
Deck 1556972 tons = 4 pct
C.T. 122486 tons = 0 pct
Armament 76814 tons = 0 pct

Machinery ........................ 7168 tons = 0 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 31327742 tons = 80 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 4888929 tons = 13 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 15000 tons = 0 pct
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39111428 tons = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 278.9 ft

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 34222500 tons
Standard displacement: 35008828 tons
Normal service: 39111428 tons
Full load: 42237064 tons

Loading submergence 100191 tons/foot

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.53

Shellfire needed to sink: 1293987840 lbs = 631830.0 x 16.0-inch shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 45223388.0
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 94 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.00

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.56

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.65
Sharpness coefficient: 0.45
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 4.70
'Natural speed' for length = 72.1 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 2 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 2 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 297 percent


Displacement factor: 1356 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 5.05
(Structure weight per square
foot of hull surface: 6013 lbs)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 7.84
(for 110.0 ft average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +30.8 ft)

Relative composite hull strength: 5.28

[Ted]

Moving right on back to reality..

It's sufficiently large that it wont break up after one or two under the keel torpedo hits, 4-8 would put it out of action without question. However, sinking would likely take somewhat more effort, a dozen fish at least. It's sufficiently big, that it would likely remain afloat even after being blown in half.

Suffice to say, any sub with 1950's weapons or better could cripple this thing, Everything from a Foxtrot to Type-205 to a Yankee Notch to a 688i could do it.

To combat it I'd personally take a Sierra II, eight 650mm tubes with 40 weapons will surely sink a 20 million ton ship. A Sea Wolf could transport more weapons, 50, but the USN never developed a torpedo over 21 inches so the bigger tube size advantage is lost. Not sure if the math would work out, but I believe the larger Russian fish would have a big enough advantage in explosive weight to make up for the difference.

My second choice is an Oscar II, in fact this might be better then the Sierra. 28 torpedoes will certainly sink the target, and the opening salvo would knock out power. Then I fire the SS-N-19's.

The HE warheads wont penetrate the armor, but the massive air group will explode into flames in short order and doom the ship on its own. I'd say twelve hours before the fires have gutted the ship.

The problem is its sheeer size, even a dozen torps wouldn't put enough water in it to sink it, you'd need a few dozen, possibly even hundreds of torps.