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I'm sorry, "Visual Sexual Aggression"
Bill toughens law on visual sexual aggression against children in Maine


By Dave Choate
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April 06, 2008 6:00 AM

Those who peer at children in public could find themselves on the wrong side of the law in Maine soon.

A bill that passed the House last month aims to strengthen the crime of visual sexual aggression against children, according to state Rep. Dawn Hill, D-York.

Her involvement started when Ogunquit Police Lt. David Alexander was called to a local beach to deal with a man who appeared to be observing children entering the community bathrooms. Because the state statute prevents arrests for visual sexual aggression of a child in a public place, Alexander said he and his fellow officer could only ask the man to move along.

"There was no violation of law that we could enforce. There was nothing we could charge him with," Alexander said.

He attended a talk with Hill a week later and brought the case to her attention. Hill pledged to do what she could, Alexander said, and the result was a change through the Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee in the House, which made the law applicable in both private and public places.

Alexander said he's grateful Hill was willing to take up the cause, and is hopeful the measure will clear the Senate.

"I'll be pleased that we were able to identify this flaw and take steps to rectify it," he said.

Under the bill, if someone is arrested for viewing children in a public place, it would be a Class D felony if the child is between 12 to 14 years old and a Class C felony if the child is under 12, according to Alexander.

Hill said she believes the move was necessary to correct what she called a "loophole" in the state's criminal law statutes.

"I told Lt. Alexander that I would be happy to work with him and sponsor a bill that would correct this in the 2008 session," Hill said. "And so we did."

In arguing for the bill, Alexander said she cited public rest rooms as places where the people using them should have a reasonable expectation of privacy. She said the committee determined that there would not be any major side effects from expanding the statute to include public places.

The bill recently cleared a fiscal review, done because of the state's major prison budget crunch, and Hill said it should be heading to the Senate before long.

York Police Chief Doug Bracy said the statute would represent a fairly minor change that would help keep the public safer, especially children. He noted that York police respond fairly regularly to reports of public peepers on the town's beaches.

With ever-growing concern over sexual predators, Bracy said the arrests will also allow police to check backgrounds and determine if there is a criminal history involved.

"There is a growing outcry by the public to protect our children," Bracy said, noting that tourists from all over the country visit York.
OK, if you know me at all, you know full well my opinion of pedophiles. It isn't good. However, this is kind of nutso. Making it a felony to view children in public places? Really? Has it really gotten to that point?

I mean, it's bad enough as it is that people (specifically men) could see a clearly lost child and actually stop to think whether its worth being accused of being a predator for approaching them to help. I've even heard of the police giving advice that to be on the safe side, simply let them go and notify the authorities rather than try to help them, when it used to be something a good neighbor did.

Now people are so scared of predators that you can be arrested for so much as looking at children in a public place if someone gets nervous enough?

I wonder though. Are there really more actual predators nowadays than there used to be or if its just that the media/politicians has made big business about scaring people into asking "Are Your Children SAFE"?
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So when does Maine start getting thought police?
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It's strange, but I was watching some nostalgic TV on YouTube out of boredom yesterday and came across loads of TV ads from the '80s and '90s that I could remember. One of them was Captain Birdseye, with the old captain on a boat full of kids, serving them delicious frozen foods. The joyous looks on everyone and friendly atmosphere must look positively disgusting to many people today, because the first media drilled alarmist thought will be "He's a child fiddler!".

No one understands that "stranger danger" is total bullshit. The majority of child molestation (which, by the way, is totally different to simple pædophilia) occurs within family units or with close friends. I've heard talk shows and watched documentaries address this over and over, yet here we are. Clamping down on society's movements until we've run out of things to make illegal.

Am I strange for thinking we should focus on catching criminals rather than restricting the freedom of innocents? I seem to recall that's how law worked at one point.
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That's the problem, isn't it? Thanks to the alarmist shit foisted on us, the first thought to many at any male adult/child interaction, be it a TV commercial, a sports team or whatever (Oh, except families, because it's not like the majority of child molestation cases happen within family units, am I right?) is one of "Yeah, that guy is dangerous".

The Rolling Stones had a song, As Tears Go By, about "watching the children play". I guess today (in Maine, at least) they'd be arrested for conspiracy to commit a thought crime or something.
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deal with a man who appeared to be observing children entering the community bathrooms.
So because he appeared to be looking at the kids, hes a sexual predator out to harm children?
Under the bill, if someone is arrested for viewing children in a public place, it would be a Class D felony if the child is between 12 to 14 years old and a Class C felony if the child is under 12, according to Alexander.
So, teachers can be arrested for viewing their students?

I can be arrested if I walk into a school? Into a park?

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This would probably fall under that conservative tag then, whereby a law if made to punish the bad guys rather than address the problem. Such people exist and need help, yes. The public, on the other hand, does not need to be clamped down on ever more with such ridiculous laws that don't solve shit in the end. Why not make it illegal to have any child interact with a non-family member? I'm sure that'll rid the world of abuse cases entirely.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote: Why not make it illegal to have any child interact with a non-family member? I'm sure that'll rid the world of abuse cases entirely.
Clearly what needs to be done is make it illegal to have children all together, there are no child molesters if there are no children to molest.
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But won't somebody please think of the children?!
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:But won't somebody please think of the children?!
By making children illegal you have the guarantee that NO harm will EVER come to them, problem solved!
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How did this get started, however? Obviously there was a time when this climate of fear was not so prevalent, so what has brought the current situation about?

As recently as the early to mid-90's we seemed to be relatively free of this overwhelming distrust of adult males as regards children. Is it on the heads of the media, the Catholic Church (Because if you can't trust a priest, you can't trust anybody!)? Is it just a backlash to an era not entirely forgotten in some places where child molestation was swept under the carpet?
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Megan's Law and associated stories helped perpetuate the fear of "stranger danger" that was fuelled by media alarmism (see the News of the World incited vigilante mobs that actually claimed an innocent life in the UK and destroyed others).

It's not unlike the way we are told to fear dark skinned people as being terrorists, walking the streets with their ever rising crime rates or to assume everyone has an ulterior motive for any interaction with you. Not even I can say all human decency has left this planet, but some would have you think going outside as a child or even an adult is tantamount to running the gauntlet.
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This law seems so fucking unworkable and irrationally paranoid; all this law would do is needlessly ostracise innocent adult men being in the wrong place rather than deal with the real perverts directly. Also most babies and toddlers are so ridiculously cute I can't help but occassionally glance at them or be tempted make a fuss over them as my natural paternal instincts intended (akin to making a fuss over adorable pets with personality, nothing remotely sexual about it).

But I find anybody between 6 and 16 to be irritaiting as hell, and I unluckily live next to three big schools down the road, but luckily the very silly laws drafted in Maine, USA, have not been drafted in England yet (if they were, no adult man between the times of 07.00am to 09.00 and 03.00pm to 05.00pm in weekdays would be allowed to be out on the streets).
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Masami von Weizegger wrote:How did this get started, however? Obviously there was a time when this climate of fear was not so prevalent, so what has brought the current situation about?
Ronald Reagan. Under his administration, conservatives realized that fear of criminals was a huge winning issue for them. They've been furiously stoking that fire ever since.
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But isn't this law passed by Democrats?
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I'll have to search for it, but I believe there was a case in the USA a couple years ago where a child was, indeed, wandering in underwear by the side of a highway, and a man who stopped to help admitted that he almost didn't stop at all because he was fearful of being seen as a predophile...
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To be honest, I have little idea what I'm supposed to do around children anymore for fear I'll be suspected as being a pedophile. I'll avoid stopping in busy parks, walking past schools when they're done for the day, things like that. It's not worth the potential hassle.

I'm a single male. If I stop in a park on a nice day, sit on a bench and read a paper and there happens to be kids playing somewhere near by, there's a good chance someone probably thinks I'm up to no good.

Of course, I may be overblowing in the overblown fear.
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It would appear that the object of this law is so vaguely conceived that it would be possible to define anyone, including the parent of a child, as possibly engaging in "visual sexual aggression" of children in a public place.

Enough to get it shitcanned in a court challenge.
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Darth Wong wrote:Ronald Reagan. Under his administration, conservatives realized that fear of criminals was a huge winning issue for them. They've been furiously stoking that fire ever since.
A fear that was at the time somewhat justified because crime was rising, and fairly rapidly. Unfortunately it gathered a lot of inertia and nobody seems to have realized that the problem appears to have solved itself, as the homicide rate peaked in '91 and has been declining ever since.
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I'm trying to remember how often my married friends have asked me to "watch their kids for an hour or two"
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This could be an law meant to be stacked onto predators that stalk children. In some states sodomy laws are used against rapists...
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:This could be an law meant to be stacked onto predators that stalk children. In some states sodomy laws are used against rapists...
Sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional. We can punish the guilty without turning regular people into criminals. "Protect the children" laws are especially bad because they can land someone on a sex offender registry that brands him for life.
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Durandal wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:This could be an law meant to be stacked onto predators that stalk children. In some states sodomy laws are used against rapists...
Sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional. We can punish the guilty without turning regular people into criminals. "Protect the children" laws are especially bad because they can land someone on a sex offender registry that brands him for life.
Right. I meant were used against rapists to stack the charges. As for the "protect the children" laws I agree that the zero thinking mindset doesn't help anyone.

I was just offering my two cents on what the peering at children law might be trying to accomplish.
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I think this is happening in most of western society in many aspects, we're fear driven society. It's the new household god of security and paranoia.
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This kind of shit reminds me of last year when some child advocacy group started putting up posters of a child walking down the street holding a man's hand with the caption "It just looks wrong when I see them together."

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