Internet stupidity strikes again

[Zablorg]

White male husband wishing his black female wife was more submissive and cooked his dinner. Anyone else see a problem with this?

Oh for fuck's sake, spouses do nice things for each other because they love one another, not because one is some sort of slave to the other, you sick, stupid bitch. Somebody get her psychiatric help before she pisses off the wrong asshole and he or she fuck-starts her head.

Listen you masochist asshole, Wash is clearly abusive and disrespectful to his wife. Why the fuck else would he look at her hopefully when the possibility of free dinner popped up??

Dick.

Here the audience is supposed to notice that there are two sorts of men in the world; good men: Mal, and bad men: Jayne. Me? I see two rapists. Only difference is that one is in a two-dollar-shop disguise as a unicorn.

So, wait, Mal, who gets laid exactly once throughout by the series at the promptings of the woman, is a rapist? Mal, who defends Saffron from Jayne's predations? I suppose if I opened the door for this crazy bitch she'd start shrieking at me that I was making some homo-erotic display of strength and dominance over her?

DID YOU WATCH THE SERIES AT ALL? In the very first episode he threatens to duct tape Kaylee and toss her in a pit. Of course he's a rapist.

Given that Mal nobly believes in protecting the female members on board his ship from the ravages of ‘the world’ (read: men), I find it hard to credit that he allows Jayne to stay on board his ship. In this scene Jayne talks of women as sexual and domestic property, obviously unaware that women are human beings. Men who think like this about women ARE DANGEROUS. If Mal did care about the protection of women, he would have spaced Jayne immediately, or at least locked the fucker up.

I must have missed all the times Mal keeps Jayne in check and the time he literally threw Jayne in the airlock to space him for his behavior.

That wasn't for his behavior, that was because he had disrespected Mal. Anyone on Mal's ship must kiss his ass or be hurled out into space, because he's that much of an asshole.



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Hey, I'm pretty good at this game![/i]

[Swindle1984]

White male husband wishing his black female wife was more submissive and cooked his dinner. Anyone else see a problem with this?

Oh for fuck's sake, spouses do nice things for each other because they love one another, not because one is some sort of slave to the other, you sick, stupid bitch. Somebody get her psychiatric help before she pisses off the wrong asshole and he or she fuck-starts her head.

Listen you masochist asshole, Wash is clearly abusive and disrespectful to his wife. Why the fuck else would he look at her hopefully when the possibility of free dinner popped up??

Dick.

Here the audience is supposed to notice that there are two sorts of men in the world; good men: Mal, and bad men: Jayne. Me? I see two rapists. Only difference is that one is in a two-dollar-shop disguise as a unicorn.

So, wait, Mal, who gets laid exactly once throughout by the series at the promptings of the woman, is a rapist? Mal, who defends Saffron from Jayne's predations? I suppose if I opened the door for this crazy bitch she'd start shrieking at me that I was making some homo-erotic display of strength and dominance over her?

DID YOU WATCH THE SERIES AT ALL? In the very first episode he threatens to duct tape Kaylee and toss her in a pit. Of course he's a rapist.

Given that Mal nobly believes in protecting the female members on board his ship from the ravages of ‘the world’ (read: men), I find it hard to credit that he allows Jayne to stay on board his ship. In this scene Jayne talks of women as sexual and domestic property, obviously unaware that women are human beings. Men who think like this about women ARE DANGEROUS. If Mal did care about the protection of women, he would have spaced Jayne immediately, or at least locked the fucker up.

I must have missed all the times Mal keeps Jayne in check and the time he literally threw Jayne in the airlock to space him for his behavior.

That wasn't for his behavior, that was because he had disrespected Mal. Anyone on Mal's ship must kiss his ass or be hurled out into space, because he's that much of an asshole.



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Hey, I'm pretty good at this game![/i]

Conceded on all points. I'm going to go castrate myself and sell myself into slavery to a women's rape crisis center so I may atone for the sins of my gender.

All hail the mighty uterus! THE MIGHTY UTERUS!

[Anguirus]

You know there's still part of me that thinks she's playing a joke on everybody...after all, as Zablorg shows it's not hard to do this ad nauseam.

However, I think that's just wishful thinking. Feminists tend to say that a vanishingly small number of these so-called "feminazis" exists in my experience, and overall tend to think of them as simply a strawman constructed by anti-feminists. When one of these loudmouths proves to actually exist, it hurts our case in the eyes of the moronic majority simply by the implied association.

This doesn't excuse men for thinking that every feminist is a loon like this one, but it gives them ammunition.

[Darth Onasi]

This reminds me somewhat of a so-called feminist who once told me that Mass Effect is sexist because the female Shepard does not "act like a woman"; since apparently female space marines shouldn't point guns at people or ever be rude.
I could never quite tell if they were attempting some form of satire or were actually serious, much like this.

Personally I think they're just doing it to stir things up and get attention to give some meaning to their gray existence.

[Zixinus]

The fact that she is clearly not even grasping what the show is, is proven by this line:

Now, it is pretty obvious by this point that Saffron has been traded to Mal in exchange for his killing the bad guys. She is a wife in the sense of being a sexual and domestic slave. When Zoe is told that Saffron has been traded to Mal as a wife/slave she begins to laugh. She then calls the rest of the crew and invites them to join her in laughing at Mal’s newly acquired possession. Now, I don’t know about you, but I have never met a Black woman who laughs about slavery.

HELLO? Last I checked Firefly is a SCIENCE FICITION SHOW, ITS IN THE FUTURE! Zoe knows about as much about black slavery as your average person knows about an average Chinese knows about Hindus prosecuting Buddhists. For her, it happened centuries if not a millena ago.

This one line does give an insight to her thinking: it doesn't matter what the actual massage is, all that matters in the visual implication.

[Anguirus]

^ That's along the lines of her statement in her earlier blog that Wash can't possibly be a good husband to Zoe because he's white.

[Swindle1984]

And yet she simply dismisses Book as "the black guy".

Methinks she's yet another closet racist hiding behind political correctness.

[Oskuro]

When one of these loudmouths proves to actually exist, it hurts our case in the eyes of the moronic majority simply by the implied association.

This doesn't excuse men for thinking that every feminist is a loon like this one, but it gives them ammunition.

To my (male) eyes, these type of extreme feminists are nothing more than bigoted sexists, just from the other "side".

It infuriates me how their hate-filled rethoric spits in the face of all the people (men and women) who have fought (and sometimes died) throughout history to advance the cause of gender equality.

But hey, just as there are assholes who use perceived racial discrimination to blame the rest of the world and feel special, there are those who use gender inequalities as fuel for their cries for attention.


And now, on to something a bit funnier....

It doesn't matter what the actual massage is, all that matters in the visual implication.

[Zixinus]

And now, on to something a bit funnier....

It doesn't matter what the actual massage is, all that matters in the visual implication.

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[Ryushikaze]

And now, on to something a bit funnier....

It doesn't matter what the actual massage is, all that matters in the visual implication.

:lol:

:oops:[/quote]

Welp, I'm afraid you've revealed yourself as a complete and utter pervert, only able to think about sexual matters, and for that matter, you strangle kittens for your jollies.[/crazy person]

But yes, I've told a few people about this, and they've all had similar responses, along the lines of "that's deranged", "how the hell", and "that person could see sexual oppresion in a bowl of still life".

As an aside, I forget, what's the current concensus on us guys being allowed to label ourselves feminists?

[Sabastian Tombs]

Question. Is the way she throws the term "homo erotic" around every time she talks about the men on the show interacting with each other some sort of gay bashing? I got this weird impression from some of the stuff she wrote that intra-gender sex is the only "right" kind and hetrosexual sex is something men came up with to oppress women.

[Ryushikaze]

Question. Is the way she throws the term "homo erotic" around every time she talks about the men on the show interacting with each other some sort of gay bashing? I got this weird impression from some of the stuff she wrote that intra-gender sex is the only "right" kind and hetrosexual sex is something men came up with to oppress women.

Yes, it's gay bashing (that, or she doesn't know what she's talking about), but it's not that she thinks intra-gender sex is okay. It's that she thinks female-female sex is okay. Male-male sex involves men, and is thus bad and wrong.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

BOOK
(bright, casual) I suppose so. If you take sexual advantage of her, you’re going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the
theater. (My emphasis.)

Now, that comment right there indicates to me that our dear Mr. Whedon is a porn user. And that it is highly likely that his pornography of choice is Hustler, given that he seems to think it funny to trivialise the sexual abuse of children. How many times has Joss wanked to our degradation in Hustler while chuckling away at Chester the Molester cartoons?

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS PIECE OF FUCKING FUCKED UP FUCKING FUCK???

WHERE does she jump to this conclusion? If there's a connection I'm just not fucking getting it. This essay went from amusing to painful.

Okay, I've shoved my mind as far into righteous persecution-mode as I could get it, and this is what I've come away with:

Book is equating taking sexual advantage of an ignorant person with child molestation and talking too loud during movies. This obviously means that Book, and by extension, Whedon, believes that rape and sexual harassment are as bad as mild impoliteness, in other words not that bad at all. Which means Whedon obviously has little to no problem with rape and abuse...

...and he has porn.

Alright, I'll admit, I have no real idea where the connection is there, except the general "All women in porn are being abused and degraded and raped."

So if we're to take this woman seriously, she:

...is racist.
...is homophobic.
...is delusional.
...is sociopathic.
...is likely to murder someone in the future.
...is misandronist.
...is against women's rights (she apparently feels women shouldn't be allowed to do anything that might benefit men).
...is against sexual freedom.
...is against any sort of ranking system based on qualifications (the whole military schpiel.
...is against mutual respect.

I can see how she's an example worth following, and that we should trust her word on things.

Oh man, I hope she doesn't read any of my stuff. It not only has a strong female character that *gasp* is attracted to a male, but also has an antagonist who tortures people, including females, because he's a demon who is incapable of feeling physical pain, and thus is unable to relate to or understand it, but merely likes watching peoples' reactions to pain.

[Vendetta]

[Where is she getting this "larger romance of the show" as being some homo-erotic relationship between Mal and Jayne? Jayne is Mal's attack dog, and Mal is the one who keeps him on his leash until he needs him set loose. There is absolutely nothing sexual about their relationship. This woman has more issues than National Geographic.

To be fair, she's not quite alone in that one. Adam Baldwin speculated that it would have been an increased element of the show (if only because it draws in ratings from the sqeeing fangirls).

[Molyneux]

[Where is she getting this "larger romance of the show" as being some homo-erotic relationship between Mal and Jayne? Jayne is Mal's attack dog, and Mal is the one who keeps him on his leash until he needs him set loose. There is absolutely nothing sexual about their relationship. This woman has more issues than National Geographic.

To be fair, she's not quite alone in that one. Adam Baldwin speculated that it would have been an increased element of the show (if only because it draws in ratings from the sqeeing fangirls).

While that would have been horrible if not done extremely carefully (maybe developing over the course of two or three seasons), I do have to admit that I find the idea to be interesting. Gay cowboys kicking ass in space? I couldn't not watch it!

[Oni Koneko Damien]

"I just can't quit you, Jayne!"

It had to be said.

[Anguirus]

As an aside, I forget, what's the current concensus on us guys being allowed to label ourselves feminists?

I go around saying I'm a feminist, and I've never seen a woman have a serious problem with it. I get weird looks from men and women sometimes, but if I have a conversation with them they tend to think of "feminist" as "feminazi" (a term I generally despise). When I explain to them that a feminist traditionally thinks of the sexes as equal, they tend to go "Well, of course I'm that kind of feminist, but that's not really what it means anymore" or some other flavor of nonsense.

[Ohma]

You know there's still part of me that thinks she's playing a joke on everybody...after all, as Zablorg shows it's not hard to do this ad nauseam.

However, I think that's just wishful thinking. Feminists tend to say that a vanishingly small number of these so-called "feminazis" exists in my experience, and overall tend to think of them as simply a strawman constructed by anti-feminists. When one of these loudmouths proves to actually exist, it hurts our case in the eyes of the moronic majority simply by the implied association.

This doesn't excuse men for thinking that every feminist is a loon like this one, but it gives them ammunition.

Yeah, it's infuriating to read the stuff people like that write. I think that (at least for the people who aren't actually mentally disturbed) the weird stereotypical attitude they hold may be the result of growing up in an environment where the only exposure they've had to whatever group they've attached themselves to has been via comments by their parents (and others they feel the need to differentiate themselves from) to the effect of (for example) "boy those feminists are craaaaaazy, they just want to kill all men, blah blah blah Jesus blah blah". So when they grow up and decide that they'll stand for something that their parents and others disagreed with, and since they've probably led a highly sheltered life up 'till then, they end up conforming to the negative stereotype of whatever it is they've identified themselves with and then go on to be a walking talking caricature.

(was what I just wrote at all intelligible?)

[Ohma]

I go around saying I'm a feminist, and I've never seen a woman have a serious problem with it. I get weird looks from men and women sometimes, but if I have a conversation with them they tend to think of "feminist" as "feminazi" (a term I generally despise). When I explain to them that a feminist traditionally thinks of the sexes as equal, they tend to go "Well, of course I'm that kind of feminist, but that's not really what it means anymore" or some other flavor of nonsense.

Ugh, I get that crap too. Then they'll go on some tangent about how evil political correctness is, "blah blah why can't I call black people blah blah reverse racism blah".

*sigh*

[Vendetta]

While that would have been horrible if not done extremely carefully (maybe developing over the course of two or three seasons), I do have to admit that I find the idea to be interesting. Gay cowboys kicking ass in space? I couldn't not watch it!

I doubt it would've got any further than Heroes style nudge and wink behaviour..

[CaptainChewbacca]

(was what I just wrote at all intelligible?)

Pretty much. This woman is the kind of feminist who regrets not aborting her son prior to birth because the boy WILL grow up to be a criminally dangerous rapist, as all men are destined to do.

No, I'm not making it up.

[Molyneux]

While that would have been horrible if not done extremely carefully (maybe developing over the course of two or three seasons), I do have to admit that I find the idea to be interesting. Gay cowboys kicking ass in space? I couldn't not watch it!

I doubt it would've got any further than Heroes style nudge and wink behaviour..

Ah, well...guess I'll have to leave that to the fanfic folks.
Just wondering, what kind of opinion did Adam Baldwin seem to have when he mentioned the idea?

[Megabot]

I ran into another discussion on this LJ post in a feminist forum that I sometimes lurk at, and while most of the responses were quite critical of the post, I was quite surprised to what the owner of the site, someone who seems to be a moderate feminist to me, had to say:

[snip]

Agree or disagree I love radical feminism, which is what the original lj entry is. I think we need it... it points out different perspectives, pulls us to the left, sets some out-there boundaries so all feminists have a longer spectrum to navigate and learn from. So rather than say "that's total bullshit" when you read something as shocking as that review, sit back, consider what's been said, and reflect on what's new and interesting. That's my take.

I was taken aback by this; in much the same way that considering the "I hate/want to kill white people" crowd would be helpful to the civil rights movement. I have a hard time imagining why anyone would consider such an irrational person, who helps perpetuate feminist stereotypes espoused by anti-feminists to boot, have an outlook that's "new and interesting."

Here's the site owner again, on the second page:

okay, so she hates men (although I'm betting you folks looked up those replies to back up your opinion, you got the original idea that she hates men from her post). But she hates men in the same way that I hate the Taliban and the KKK. I'm sure there are plenty of calm, KKK office workers who've never lynched a black guy or burned a cross in someone's front yard, but I still hate them. I just say this to back up my original point, that the author here doesn't belong in some special "bad feminist" box, she's just a mark or two left of the rest of us.

I certainly hope she's more than "just a mark or two left of the rest of us," or the feminist movement is in some serious trouble.

[xerex]

sheesh last i checked you still had to join the taliban or KKK, I dont recall joining the Men's club.

[Anguirus]

Wow, xerex just pwned radical feminism I guess.

If you're going to be a loony tune, being a radical feminist is not as bad as, say, a fundie. But I don't think she should get (nor would she want) a pat on the head, either.