Wikileaks posts 100+ Tibetan protest pics, China does DDOS

[Ender]

Wikileaks.org recently hosted over 100 photos of the protests in Tibet and China, complete with a healthy dose of violence (as you can imagine). Wikileaks.org is now down. People in the unofficial wikileaks IRC channel are reporting DDOS attacks from China as the reason for the failure. It probably doesn't help that it was ALSO Dugg, which is usually enough to kill a website's bandwith all by itself.

The DDOS thing from China still awaits confirmation from the ISP, but the content of the photos was definitely damning in nature. Pictures of people collecting the bullet-hole filled bodies of monks, girls crying amidst police setting shops on fire, etc.

I post this here as my own form of protest. Please spread this as far as you feel is wise so that more people understand exactly what is happening.


The following is a link to a mirror of very graphic images, and is NSFW. Your discretion is advised.


http://tmichaelburke.com/mirrors/tibet/

[Kane Starkiller]

girls crying amidst police setting shops on fire

The police was setting shops on fire? Is this true?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Sigh. It will just be a Myanmar redux, albeit a larger scale.

[Darth Mall]

girls crying amidst police setting shops on fire

The police was setting shops on fire? Is this true?

It looks alot more like protesters setting shops on fire and trashing the streets.

I mean didn't you know the cops called the people over to try and flip thier car over?

[Darth Wong]

That site would be a lot more convincing if those pictures actually showed police using deadly force against helpless civilians. Instead, we see numerous pictures of dead people, followed by a bunch of pictures of Chinese police and soldiers either marching around or using non-lethal force.

[Havok]

That site would be a lot more convincing if those pictures actually showed police using deadly force against helpless civilians. Instead, we see numerous pictures of dead people, followed by a bunch of pictures of Chinese police and soldiers either marching around or using non-lethal force.

Exactly what I saw. I'm not doubting the claims, but a better visual representation of what is supposed to have been happening should be attempted.
Granted, most people are going to see gun shot victims and then cops and just assume the worst anyway.

[Sidewinder]

Pictures 15 and 16 show the same man, but with his arms in different positions, as if someone had moved them. With all due respect, how can we be certain these photos weren't faked? I remember seeing a photo of police leading away a man in a Chinese newspaper, in which a Chinese man identified himself as the person in the photo and stated the police were helping him, and protesting that Western media captioned it as police arresting a Tibetan protester. Without further evidence, this comes down to "his word versus mine," and BOTH sides' credibility is in doubt.

I post this here as my own form of protest. Please spread this as far as you feel is wise so that more people understand exactly what is happening.

I know China has a pretty bad human rights record, but Tibet under the Buddhist theocracy was able to match the worst of the CCP. (See here.) You have to be wary of the fact that BOTH sides are ruthless in the promotion of their agendas.

That site would be a lot more convincing if those pictures actually showed police using deadly force against helpless civilians. Instead, we see numerous pictures of dead people, followed by a bunch of pictures of Chinese police and soldiers either marching around or using non-lethal force.

A good point. Until a more reliable source of info presents itself, I'm keeping my mind open to the possibility some of those photos were faked.

[Zed Snardbody]

The only pictures of police action all have captions indicating that they're from nations outside of the PRC.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Now that I think about it, the odd thing about it all, is that I don't see some Chinese policeman brutalising anyone. You'd think that the most powerful image would be some Policeman beating anyone to a pulp.

[Sidewinder]

Now that I think about it, the odd thing about it all, is that I don't see some Chinese policeman brutalising anyone. You'd think that the most powerful image would be some Policeman beating anyone to a pulp.

This raises suspicion of who was responsible for the violence and destruction, the Chinese security forces, Chinese criminals (NOT the same as governmental forces, despite what Voluntaryist may claim), or Tibetan rioters. Note that, despite the Burmese government's attempt to censor what happened, foreign reporters DID manage to get photographic evidence of Burmese police brutality.

[Dave]

But if it was faked, why is it being DDOSed from China? (rumor, I know, but only info we have)

[Masami von Weizegger]

But if it was faked, why is it being DDOSed from China? (rumor, I know, but only info we have)

China are very touchy about perceived human rights abuses and have no qualms about trying to shut down whoever tries to argue the contrary. This doesn't mean the pictures are real, it means China knows as well as anyone that enough people will assume it's real and that either way, it's all so much negative publicity for a nation trying to host the Olympics.

[Lusankya]

I find the picture of the Chinese policemen sitting around having a break to be particularly powerful.


This picture is also quite interesting. Clearly the person is in a position of submission, which is bad, right? A person who was just casually looking through the images would probably assume that it was directly related to the rioting. Well, read the caption:

[quote=The caption]Tibetans offers prayer at the historic Labrang Monastery in Xiahe, Gansu Province, China, Sunday, March 16, 2008. On Saturday, police fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of Buddhist monks and other Tibetans after they marched from the historic Labrang monastery and smashed windows in the county police headquarters in Xiahe, witnesses said.[/quote]

So essentially they took a picture of someone praying, unimpeded, in a monastery that was the origin of a riot the day before and stuck it in with a bunch of photos that are supposed to show the Chinese crushing Tibetan resistance. I find this use of such imagery to be somewhat dishonest.

[Adrian Laguna]

But if it was faked, why is it being DDOSed from China? (rumor, I know, but only info we have)

China are very touchy about perceived human rights abuses and have no qualms about trying to shut down whoever tries to argue the contrary. This doesn't mean the pictures are real, it means China knows as well as anyone that enough people will assume it's real and that either way, it's all so much negative publicity for a nation trying to host the Olympics.

It's not necessarily the Chinese government doing it. It could easily be a bunch of patriotic students reacting against a perceived slight.

[Masami von Weizegger]

It's not necessarily the Chinese government doing it. It could easily be a bunch of patriotic students reacting against a perceived slight.

Mmm. You're right. I jumped the gun a little associating an attack from China as being sponsored by the Chinese government.

[TheKwas]

Another thing to note is that China just simply doesn't like admitting that it has a problem with stability. Even if all those individuals were shot by the Tibetan protesters themselves, China would be very reluctant to release that information because they believe they have to promote China as a harmonious and stable society.

[Old Plympto]

There's another possible cause for the DDOS.

[ray245]

You know, alot of chinese are pissed with the biased reporting that most western news channels offer.

I don't see CNN or any news channel talking about how ugly tibet it was under religious rule...

And in some other forums, when a chinese pointed out how bad tibet was before the CCP assume direct control....

Some people immediately argue that the poster is lying and etc.

[K. A. Pital]

Yeah. Quite a few Chinese youths I met in China have no qualms about attacking sites that present negative stuff about their nation, true or not.

[ray245]

Well...all those protestors who believed that simply applying pressure on china will work...

I think their actions have backfired on them. Hmm...how many protestors is even aware of the 'face' concept that most asian society carries, and how humiliating them can help human rights movement.

I've reads news reports and alot of forums that due to the tibet incident, chinese as a whole are starting to reject the western media as a credible news source.

[Master of Cards]

Pictures 15 and 16 show the same man, but with his arms in different positions, as if someone had moved them. With all due respect, how can we be certain these photos weren't faked? I remember seeing a photo of police leading away a man in a Chinese newspaper, in which a Chinese man identified himself as the person in the photo and stated the police were helping him, and protesting that Western media captioned it as police arresting a Tibetan protester.

all the pictures of that guy say he;s the same man

[Zixinus]

Well...all those protestors who believed that simply applying pressure on china will work...

From what I gather from their revolutionary mindset they cannot comprahend that they are conquered and that's de facto.

Like many people over here that want to (and I kid you not) the medieval territories back. I shit you not, there are people here that want all the territory that medieval Hungary held.

[ray245]

Pictures 15 and 16 show the same man, but with his arms in different positions, as if someone had moved them. With all due respect, how can we be certain these photos weren't faked? I remember seeing a photo of police leading away a man in a Chinese newspaper, in which a Chinese man identified himself as the person in the photo and stated the police were helping him, and protesting that Western media captioned it as police arresting a Tibetan protester.

all the pictures of that guy say he;s the same man

Sigh...when the western media is perfectly happy with distorting certain facts just to fit into what they want to see...I can really understand how much do the chinese hate news channels like CNN and etc.

Worst case is most people don't question the media as biased or distorting the facts just because it is a free press.