Amazing fan edit of ANH

[Galvatron]

I also like that they deleted the stupid Jabba scene. I hope Adywan does one for TESB and deletes Vader's shuttle ride from Cloud City too.

[Kurgan]

I also like that they deleted the stupid Jabba scene. I hope Adywan does one for TESB and deletes Vader's shuttle ride from Cloud City too.

According to the thread on OriginalTrilogy.com, he plans to do just that.

The DVD is great because not only is the Jabba scene now a deleted scene (viewable only in the bonus features menu), but it also has an alternate version in 3-D (red & blue glasses required!).

[Galvatron]

I wonder if he'll bother to do the same thing for the Blu-ray versions.

And it'd be great if he could edit ROTJ and the prequels to make them not suck, but that might be too tall an order.

[Kurgan]

He wants to, but frankly, if he's going to take 2.5 years to do each one... heh, good luck waiting!

Sure, he might just be hoping he'll get a job offer for this.


Actually, many people have tried already many different cuts of the prequels to make them "suck less" or fit into some (fanboy) idea of how they should have gone (short of shooting their own movie).

Frankly, I'd be happy to see a color/brightness corrected ESB with Boba Fett's 1980 voice and "you're lucky you don't taste very good"; and ditto for ROTJ with "it's all right, trust me" and Shaw looking like his old self again (and "wesa fweeee" muted out). There are already partially "De-special edition-ized" fan cuts out there of ESB/ROTJ but sadly they still use a majority of footage from the "goofy colors" 2004 editions, which bites.

The movies just looked too different in their "official" DVD release, and the old magic comes back when they are finally corrected, without all these green/pink lightsabers, pink explosions/blaster bolts, and blue tinted shots, and without the picture looking so dark (to hide the garbage mattes? why not just fix them in the first place?)

[Galvatron]

Frankly, I'd be happy to see a color/brightness corrected ESB with Boba Fett's 1980 voice and "you're lucky you don't taste very good"

Gotta restore Vader's gravelly "bring my shuttle" line too. There's no reason to shoehorn a Lambda in there if it means removing a great line by JEJ.

And lose the extra wampa shit. Is it eating or howling in the SE? On-screen it's eating; off-screen it's howling. Does it suddenly stop eating periodically to belt out a pointless howl? That makes no sense.

[Havok]

Gotta restore Vader's gravelly "bring my shuttle" line too. There's no reason to shoehorn a Lambda in there if it means removing a great line by JEJ.

This is one of the few problems that I have with the SE. He is Darth Mother Fucking Vader. His Stardetroyer is ALWAYS prepared for his arrival, he doesn't need to say it.
They don't however ditch the line to shoe horn in the Lambda, Galvs. They actually make the line longer AND show the Lambda along with some extra exteriors of the Executor.

[Galvatron]

I disagree. They had to ditch "bring my shuttle" because the very next shot shows Vader to be only a few yards away from it. So why should he need anyone to bring it? The line makes no sense with the new footage, so that footage should be deleted and the line restored.

[Kurgan]

This just in, from adywan, the author of SWR:

Anyway i have decided to do a NTSC DVD-5 only "Purist" edition of Revisited. There will be a few differences to the original version:

Obi-Wan's hut scene is returned to the original edit
No Darth Vader's theme in the movie
No music during the conference scene
No music during the lightsaber duel, original music cue restored.
No extended Tie fighter Approach during the Death Star battle, the pacing will be returned to its original state.

There will be no menus or subtitles on the DVD or any extras.

Apparently it's out now in certain places...

[Galvatron]

Just saw the DVD-5 version. I'm amazed at how much better it looks than the official release (changes or no).

[Kurgan]

I told you so...!

Galvatron, out of curiosity, which version did you see, the original NTSC, the PAL (proper), or the "purist" NTSC?




The DVD-9 will look even better (next month)!

[Galvatron]

The original NTSC. What are the chances we can get Wayne and havokeff to love it?

Oh, and here's the YouTube of the TESB Revisited teaser.

[Kurgan]

If they won't watch it, there's no chance...


Btw Galv, that teaser is already out of date (compare to the trailer in the extras menu of the DVD5, you'll see the Emperor hologram looks totally different... and much better IMHO).

[NecronLord]

I disagree. They had to ditch "bring my shuttle" because the very next shot shows Vader to be only a few yards away from it. So why should he need anyone to bring it? The line makes no sense with the new footage, so that footage should be deleted and the line restored.

Huh. That seems a bit strange. Wouldn't the budget run to a CGI/model shot of the shuttle landing on the pad?

[Galvatron]

LUKE: You fought in the Clone Wars?
BEN: Yes. I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.
LUKE: No, my father didn't fight in the Wars; he was a navigator on a spice freighter.
BEN: That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals, thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.
LUKE: I wish I'd known him.
BEN: He was the best star pilot in the galaxy and a cunning warrior. I understand you've become quite a good pilot yourself. And he was a good friend. Which reminds me, I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you'd follow old Obi-Wan on some damn-fool idealistic crusade like your father did.
C-3PO: Sir, if you'll not be needing me, I'll close down for a while.
LUKE: Sure, go ahead. What is it?
BEN: It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age. For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times. Before the Empire.
LUKE: How did my father die?
BEN: A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.
LUKE: The Force?
BEN: Now, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together. You must learn the ways of the Force, if you're to come with me to Alderaan.
LUKE: Alderaan? I'm not going to Alderaan. I've gotta get home. It's late. I'm in for it as it is...

One thing I finally noticed that was made even clearer in this new edit: Luke already knew his father was a Jedi Knight.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I don't think that is a necessary conclusion - and never the one I took away. What, because he objected only to the "fighting" part, that means that Luke had to know the rest? Are we to believe that Luke believed his dad to be a Jedi Knight out of work so he took a job navigating drug shipments to make the rent?

You're treading the line toward Bob Brown purism.

[Galvatron]

What, because he objected only to the "fighting" part, that means that Luke had to know the rest? Are we to believe that Luke believed his dad to be a Jedi Knight out of work so he took a job navigating drug shipments to make the rent?

His total lack of any reaction at all to the "news" that Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight the same as his father.

Luke's ignorance of the Force is a clear indicator that he wasn't informed as to what the Jedi were all about, but the dialogue indicates that he at least already knew that his father was one.

You're treading the line toward Bob Brown purism.

Clarify, please.

[Illuminatus Primus]

What, because he objected only to the "fighting" part, that means that Luke had to know the rest? Are we to believe that Luke believed his dad to be a Jedi Knight out of work so he took a job navigating drug shipments to make the rent?

His total lack of any reaction at all to the "news" that Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight the same as his father.

Luke's ignorance of the Force is a clear indicator that he wasn't informed as to what the Jedi were all about, but the dialogue indicates that he at least already knew that his father was one.

No it doesn't. Disputing Obi-Wan's story with his that his father had navigated for drug traffickers pretty handedly dismissed both the idea that he was a Jedi Knight and that he was a warrior. What Obi-Wan's claim and Luke's dismissal underlines is that being a Jedi Knight back then meant ipso facto you were fighting in the Clone War(s). This is born out of course by exactly what we see in the prequels, the EU GL has approved, and the new EU that GL is producing. Disputing that his father fought at all, and actually was a navigator for drug traffickers is a denial both of him being a Jedi Knight and fighting in the Clone Wars.

Again, your joke interpretation leaves us with the unavoidable conclusion that Luke believed his father to be a Jedi Knight whose side job was to navigate for drug traffickers. Rents must've been shitty back then. This is laughable and your Force red herring is just an attempt to distract from the on-the-face absurdity of the claim. This of course is not including the fact that if we are to take your Force red herring seriously, that means you think Luke had some idea of Jedi Knights without knowing about the Force? Somehow that's a a more satisfying solution to the available evidence than his ignorance about the Force being yet another reason he didn't know his father was a Jedi Knight?

You're treading the line toward Bob Brown purism.

Clarify, please.

You look for any opening to inject speculation and excessive nitpicky interpretation of the dialogue or films, especially when it rewards you hatred of the EU and prequels, and definitely when it rewards your ideosyncratic "this is the way it ought to have been" fantasies.

[Galvatron]

You look for any opening to inject speculation and excessive nitpicky interpretation of the dialogue or films, especially when it rewards you hatred of the EU and prequels, and definitely when it rewards your ideosyncratic "this is the way it ought to have been" fantasies.

Fair enough. You've got me pegged. Can you call me a rotten piece of shit too, just for good measure?

BTW, have you accepted SWR as the new canon yet?

[Illuminatus Primus]

You look for any opening to inject speculation and excessive nitpicky interpretation of the dialogue or films, especially when it rewards you hatred of the EU and prequels, and definitely when it rewards your ideosyncratic "this is the way it ought to have been" fantasies.

Fair enough. You've got me pegged. Can you call me a rotten piece of shit too, just for good measure?

Just because I think you're being silly doesn't mean I like the prequels over all or that would be what I did with them. Does not even mean I dislike everything Bob Brown said, but I do think its silly that Bob Brown/OT(or especially ANH & TESB)-only purists have a fixation with nitpicking and reading into the first couple films and tossed drafts the "right path" that GL abandoned. Its simply not realistic. The fact is he blew a lot of his best ideas out on ANH and TESB and was trimming and fudging thereafter. He also began to display some of his naive political and economic ideas as well as some contempt for the intelligence or taste of the public-at-large which became more apparent has you had more and more material to work with, and material he had to just come up with as he went along (ROTJ, TPM, AOTC). Which may be fair or unfair. Arguably ROTS is the best because it is the only non-ANH, TESB film to have a big chunk of his original good ideas, not something had to come up with as he went along. The PT was largely made in order to facilitate ROTS. If he had an idea of what else he wanted to do, it was how did Anakin Skywalker become Darth Vader?

I despite the monk-Jedi of the PT and their stupid robes. I despite Jango Fett. I despite nine-year-old Anakin. I despise the Senate-of-ambassadors. I despise the libertarian? separatists of the PT. I despite the Republic clones. Why is it called "the Clone Wars"? Why name it after your own troops and when it was only a three-year war half wasted on Jedi wonder-missions and mobilization? Why is it "when I first knew him, your father was already a great pilot?" When he met him at 9 and he had only flown racing pods? Why is it "I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi?" when Qui-Gon did it? Why is it "you fought with my father in the Clone Wars" when Obi-Wan and Organa did not fight together?

[McC]

IP, where the hell did that come from?

Galvatron, setting aside IP's unnecessary vitriol, I do think he's right about this matter.

You fought in the Clone Wars?

Luke expresses some disbelief that Obi-Wan fought in the Clone Wars, and seeks confirmation.

Yes. I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.

Ben confirms he fought in the Clone Wars. His response, if anything, more implies that all fighting in the Clone Wars was carried out by Jedi Knights. We know now this isn't so (but I'm skeptical whether or not George knew it then). At the very least, he replies in such a way as to imply that being a Jedi Knight is a "natural" part of fighting in the Wars, and mentions Luke's father also a Jedi Knight.

No, my father didn't fight in the Wars; he was a navigator on a spice freighter.

This is Luke's reaction to being told his father was a Jedi Knight, not to being told his father fought in the Clone Wars. The exchange, however, implies that the two are inclusive, so Luke's rejection of Obi-Wan's statement is a dual rejection: his father was neither a Jedi Knight, nor did he fight in the Clone Wars.

Luke's obvious lack of knowledge about the Force suggests he doesn't know much beyond that correlation. I don't think it's a necessary conclusion that Luke already knew his father was a Jedi Knight.

[Illuminatus Primus]

IP, where the hell did that come from?

Galvatron, setting aside IP's unnecessary vitriol, I do think he's right about this matter.

What was so vitriolic? I called Galvatron's nitpicking in service to a preconceived conclusion (it was) and other than that I said the implications of his claims were "absurd." So?

Below that was just expressing the fact I don't disagree in principle with Galvatron's tastes toward SW and preferences and opinions about mistakes - depending on who you talk to - that GL made.

You fought in the Clone Wars?

Luke expresses some disbelief that Obi-Wan fought in the Clone Wars, and seeks confirmation.

Yes. I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.

Ben confirms he fought in the Clone Wars. His response, if anything, more implies that all fighting in the Clone Wars was carried out by Jedi Knights. We know now this isn't so (but I'm skeptical whether or not George knew it then). At the very least, he replies in such a way as to imply that being a Jedi Knight is a "natural" part of fighting in the Wars, and mentions Luke's father also a Jedi Knight.

I disagree. Ben's comment cannot be taken as all inclusive - it cannot be said he definitely is saying that all those who fought in the Wars were Jedi Knights. Its an unnecessary assumption. What Ben's comment definitely does claim is that all Jedi Knights fought in the Wars.

No, my father didn't fight in the Wars; he was a navigator on a spice freighter.

This is Luke's reaction to being told his father was a Jedi Knight, not to being told his father fought in the Clone Wars. The exchange, however, implies that the two are inclusive, so Luke's rejection of Obi-Wan's statement is a dual rejection: his father was neither a Jedi Knight, nor did he fight in the Clone Wars.

Right, though I'd say, "he didn't fight, and all Knights fought in the Wars, therefore he couldn't have been a Jedi Knight."

Luke's obvious lack of knowledge about the Force suggests he doesn't know much beyond that correlation. I don't think it's a necessary conclusion that Luke already knew his father was a Jedi Knight.

Agreed.

[Galvatron]

IP, where the hell did that come from?

Don't stop him now; he's on a roll!

Okay, I retract my earlier statements on Luke's knowledge. How often does THAT happen on this board?

[Molyneux]

What, because he objected only to the "fighting" part, that means that Luke had to know the rest? Are we to believe that Luke believed his dad to be a Jedi Knight out of work so he took a job navigating drug shipments to make the rent?

His total lack of any reaction at all to the "news" that Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight the same as his father.

Luke's ignorance of the Force is a clear indicator that he wasn't informed as to what the Jedi were all about, but the dialogue indicates that he at least already knew that his father was one.

No it doesn't. Disputing Obi-Wan's story with his that his father had navigated for drug traffickers pretty handedly dismissed both the idea that he was a Jedi Knight and that he was a warrior. What Obi-Wan's claim and Luke's dismissal underlines is that being a Jedi Knight back then meant ipso facto you were fighting in the Clone War(s). This is born out of course by exactly what we see in the prequels, the EU GL has approved, and the new EU that GL is producing. Disputing that his father fought at all, and actually was a navigator for drug traffickers is a denial both of him being a Jedi Knight and fighting in the Clone Wars.

Again, your joke interpretation leaves us with the unavoidable conclusion that Luke believed his father to be a Jedi Knight whose side job was to navigate for drug traffickers. Rents must've been shitty back then. This is laughable and your Force red herring is just an attempt to distract from the on-the-face absurdity of the claim. This of course is not including the fact that if we are to take your Force red herring seriously, that means you think Luke had some idea of Jedi Knights without knowing about the Force? Somehow that's a a more satisfying solution to the available evidence than his ignorance about the Force being yet another reason he didn't know his father was a Jedi Knight?

You're treading the line toward Bob Brown purism.

Clarify, please.

You look for any opening to inject speculation and excessive nitpicky interpretation of the dialogue or films, especially when it rewards you hatred of the EU and prequels, and definitely when it rewards your ideosyncratic "this is the way it ought to have been" fantasies.

Just a note - calling a spice freighter "drug traffickers" doesn't seem quite called-for. There's no in-film indication that spice is illegal, so while the term may be technically true the implications it carries may be unjustified.

[Anguirus]

Even in the EU there is such a thing as legal spice, and legal shipments of spice that is illegal for the average guy to have.

[Havok]

LUKE: You fought in the Clone Wars?
BEN: Yes. I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.
LUKE: No, my father didn't fight in the Wars; he was a navigator on a spice freighter.
BEN: That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals, thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.
LUKE: I wish I'd known him.
BEN: He was the best star pilot in the galaxy and a cunning warrior. I understand you've become quite a good pilot yourself. And he was a good friend. Which reminds me, I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you'd follow old Obi-Wan on some damn-fool idealistic crusade like your father did.
C-3PO: Sir, if you'll not be needing me, I'll close down for a while.
LUKE: Sure, go ahead. What is it?
BEN: It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age. For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times. Before the Empire.
LUKE: How did my father die?
BEN: A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.
LUKE: The Force?
BEN: Now, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together. You must learn the ways of the Force, if you're to come with me to Alderaan.
LUKE: Alderaan? I'm not going to Alderaan. I've gotta get home. It's late. I'm in for it as it is...

One thing I finally noticed that was made even clearer in this new edit: Luke already knew his father was a Jedi Knight.

I doubt he knew his father was a Jedi considering he had never even HEARD of the Force.

Edit: Yeah. I didn't read the posts between here and there. Sorry. (Fucking customers)