Internet stupidity strikes again

[CaptainChewbacca]

Just in case you wanted to see a different kind of anti-firefly idiocy.

Different skew, same hysteria.

[Zablorg]

If you are a Jayne fan, let me put it to you simply:



You are a piece of subhuman filth and a threat to civil society. You are supportive of—or,
arguably worse, indifferent to—crimes worse than rape or murder. You would bat nary an
eyelash while countenancing the consignment of an innocent sixteen-year-old girl to a fate of
hopelessness and brutal torment; when faced by the prospect of treachery, you simply
shrug (or clap your hands with glee). You may well be mentally unstable, and you
certainly are not possessed of a coherent moral system or of any integrity whatsoever.
You deserve to be locked away in the very harshest of prisons—although even there, you
would suffer less than River would have, had Jayne’s vile plans gone aright.


Since you are stupid enough to like Jayne, you may not be able to comprehend the above.
Therefore, allow me to summarize it in very small words: You are a bad person.
Please turn yourself in to the authorities before you kill somebody—or better yet, just go jump
off a bridge.

I'm a bad person!

What the fuck is this, some sort of internet quiz?

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You are a Jayne Fan!

You are a piece of subhuman filth and a threat to civil society. You are supportive of—or,
arguably worse, indifferent to—crimes worse than rape or murder. You would bat nary an
eyelash while countenancing the consignment of an innocent sixteen-year-old girl to a fate of
hopelessness and brutal torment; when faced by the prospect of treachery, you simply
shrug (or clap your hands with glee). You may well be mentally unstable, and you
certainly are not possessed of a coherent moral system or of any integrity whatsoever.
You deserve to be locked away in the very harshest of prisons!

[Uraniun235]

yeah because obviously it is impossible to enjoy a character while accepting that said character is a poor role model

[Molyneux]

yeah because obviously it is impossible to enjoy a character while accepting that said character is a poor role model

Not to mention the enjoyment that can be derived from seeing an initially vile character gain development, maybe even some measure of redemption, over the course of a series...

[skies]

If you are a Jayne fan, let me put it to you simply:



You are a piece of subhuman filth and a threat to civil society. You are supportive of—or,
arguably worse, indifferent to—crimes worse than rape or murder. You would bat nary an
eyelash while countenancing the consignment of an innocent sixteen-year-old girl to a fate of
hopelessness and brutal torment; when faced by the prospect of treachery, you simply
shrug (or clap your hands with glee). You may well be mentally unstable, and you
certainly are not possessed of a coherent moral system or of any integrity whatsoever.
You deserve to be locked away in the very harshest of prisons—although even there, you
would suffer less than River would have, had Jayne’s vile plans gone aright.


Since you are stupid enough to like Jayne, you may not be able to comprehend the above.
Therefore, allow me to summarize it in very small words: You are a bad person.
Please turn yourself in to the authorities before you kill somebody—or better yet, just go jump
off a bridge.

Holy crap buddy, it's just a TV SHOW! Some people take their entertainment too seriously. It makes me think of that sig where someone is quoted saying Star Trek is serious business. Sure, Firefly may or may not be crap, depending on your point of view, but it isn't indication of a criminally insane psyche. Even if a story is deeply disturbing, it's more likely to have been written as an exploration of controversial material, not advocation for that point of view.

[Anguirus]

I guess since I like Colonel Tigh, I must be an alcoholic who thinks suicide bombing is perfectly acceptable. Oh, and I'm a killer robot undergoing an identity crisis.

Also, exactly WHAT is worse than rape or murder?

[Anguirus]

Ghetto edit: hilarious fanboyism ahoy!

If you must inquire, [my replacement character for Jayne] was a non-evil clone of Crow [one-shot villain killed in 1st regular episode...btw, murdered in cold blood by Mal]: Shrewd, sexy, and
hard enough to mark steel.

I will admit that regarding my post above, the guy says that torture is worse than rape or murder, and he's got a point. However, Jayne had at best an EXTREMELY dim idea of what was done to River. He just thought of her as a fugitive.

[Ohma]

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If you must inquire, [my replacement character for Jayne] was a non-evil clone of Crow [one-shot villain killed in 1st regular episode...btw, murdered in cold blood by Mal]: Shrewd, sexy, and
hard enough to mark steel.

How is that guy supposed to be any better?

[Peptuck]

I can't help it. I have to laugh my ass off at this.

I love how he automatically assumes that if you like Jayne that you approve of his crimes, and I really, really like how it doesn't even occur to him that Jayne was aware of how horrible a person he was for doing it and begged for Mal to not tell anyone what he did.

I also found it hilarious that he rails against Simon for forgiving Jayne; apparently, he missed the part where Jayne freed them. He could have easily just left River and Simon to distract the feds and made a break for it on his own, but once he got loose he helped them escape.

More importantly, he distorts the actual content of what Simon said when he told Jayne he knew the truth. Simon never outright said that he forgave Jayne, he simply told him, short and simple, that "I'm your doctor, and I'm following my oath. You get hurt, I will patch you up. That's my job." And he added that he would trust Jayne, because they had enough enemies in common without going against each other in the process. I sure as hell did not hear hims ay anything along the lines of "Oh, that thing on Ariel? Forget about it." And River certainly didn't seem to forgive him, either.

Besides, Simon's already witnessed Jayne going out of his way to help people he works with before, such as in "War Stories," with the brief bit with Jayne first admonishing the crew for going after Mal on a suicide mission and then arming up and following them, apparently annoyed that they're surprised he's going with them. Jayne is loyal to his crew. Simon's simply making sure he's part of the crew in Jayne's eyes.

[Peptuck]

Ghetto edit: I also want to add that this guy seems to have forgotten the fact that River attacked Jayne with a butcher's knife for no apparent reason earlier in the episode. For all he knows, she's a potentially serious danger to the crew in general and himself in particular.

[Swindle1984]

Now, now, River slashing at Jayne with a butcher's knife because she thought he'd look better in red is perfectly acceptable. After all, Jayne is a horrible human being and River has a vagina, so whatever she does is justified no matter how insane or criminal.

Just like Constance, who twice betrayed Mal while he was trying to make an honest business deal with her and attempted to murder him and his crew even after she'd gotten what she wanted should have been allowed to get away with it, solely because she's a woman being kept down by the man.

Dang, you're right. Writing this crazy shit is easy.

[Uraniun235]

Holy crap buddy, it's just a TV SHOW! Some people take their entertainment too seriously. It makes me think of that sig where someone is quoted saying Star Trek is serious business.

Woah, woah, woah, woah... WOAH. HOLD ON.



Are you saying that Star Trek is not serious business?

[Zablorg]

River actually slashed Jayne because his shirt had the Blue Sun logo on it. Same reason she ripped the labels off those jars.

[Anguirus]

^ He certainly wouldn't know that.

[Peptuck]

River actually slashed Jayne because his shirt had the Blue Sun logo on it. Same reason she ripped the labels off those jars.

Well, yeah. But Jayne had no idea why she cut on him; for all he knew, she was attacking him for no reason at all, and she could turn and do the same for anyone else on the ship. And we know that, at the very least, he has a soft spot for Kaylee.

As far as Jayne is concerned, River is a crazy girl who is also a threat to everyone on their ship, is bringing unwanted Alliance attention on them, has caused them nothing but trouble since she's come aboard, and is worth a lot of money. For someone whose primary concern is their own safety and well-being, as well as that of everyone else on the ship, he's got no reason to want her on board and every reason to get rid of her.

That doesn't excuse him from selling her out to the Alliance, but it does put his actions in a much more understandable light. The loon who wrote that page apparently put so much thought into how outrageous Jayne's actions were that he didn't even consider them from the character's own perspective.

[Crazedwraith]

I can't help it. I have to laugh my ass off at this.

I love how he automatically assumes that if you like Jayne that you approve of his crimes, and I really, really like how it doesn't even occur to him that Jayne was aware of how horrible a person he was for doing it and begged for Mal to not tell anyone what he did.

I also found it hilarious that he rails against Simon for forgiving Jayne; apparently, he missed the part where Jayne freed them. He could have easily just left River and Simon to distract the feds and made a break for it on his own, but once he got loose he helped them escape.

More importantly, he distorts the actual content of what Simon said when he told Jayne he knew the truth. Simon never outright said that he forgave Jayne, he simply told him, short and simple, that "I'm your doctor, and I'm following my oath. You get hurt, I will patch you up. That's my job." And he added that he would trust Jayne, because they had enough enemies in common without going against each other in the process. I sure as hell did not hear hims ay anything along the lines of "Oh, that thing on Ariel? Forget about it." And River certainly didn't seem to forgive him, either.

Besides, Simon's already witnessed Jayne going out of his way to help people he works with before, such as in "War Stories," with the brief bit with Jayne first admonishing the crew for going after Mal on a suicide mission and then arming up and following them, apparently annoyed that they're surprised he's going with them. Jayne is loyal to his crew. Simon's simply making sure he's part of the crew in Jayne's eyes.

Not to mention that if Simon does something to Jayne i.e kill him. It's not going to take Mal long to figure out what happened. Best result then is he and River get turned off Serenity at next port, the worse is him 'leaving a bit sooner' as they say. Which as far as River's safety goes his big fat net loss.

[DPDarkPrimus]

And yet she simply dismisses Book as "the black guy".

Methinks she's yet another closet racist hiding behind political correctness.

From her own blog entries about Firefly, it's been gathered that the author herself is black.

Which makes it worse, really.

[NecronLord]

I guess that because I like the Dalek Emperor, I support genocide, destruction of entire galaxies, mass slavery, mass toture, and pretty much every other crime imaginable.

Or wait, maybe it's possible to find enjoyment in stories involving a character even though they're utterly reprehensible.

I like how he goes on about Iago, while managing to ignore the point that Iago is the main antagonist; we have to take him seriously for the story of Othello to make any sense. In Firefly, he's far better compared to that mafia boss who tortures them.

Let’s put it this way: You wouldn’t exactly want to be friends with somebody who idolized Iago, now would you? (Well, if you like Jayne, you are probably an Iago fanboy or fangirl par excellence.)

This guy seems to think that 'fans' must literally worship characters. Iago is a wonderful character, and a model for many backstabbing characters since. I quite liked him, as psychotic nuts go. Guess I'm just evil.

Also, his site includes "Now, I am not a feminist. (Far from it, indeed!)" so I'm sorely tempted to just link them to one another and see what comes out. I'm not sure if Sopef ("Society for the physical enjoyment of females") his main page is a hilarious and brilliant satire upon the pseudo intellectual, or if he's just a nut.

[Anguirus]

From her own blog entries about Firefly, it's been gathered that the author herself is black.

Really? I'm not sure one way or t'other but I don't gather that from her various racial comments.

[DPDarkPrimus]

She misses the entire point about Iago, since he's supposed to be a total bastard that you can't help but like.

[Rye]

Shit, I wonder what she thinks of Dexter fans if she gets this bent out of shape over 1 dimensional homage characters like Jayne.

[Darth Onasi]

A TV show full of self-righteous paragons of virtue is boring, didn't TNG prove that?

It's just complaining for the sake of complaining. "Look at me! I have a controversial opinion!"

[Ghost Rider]

Shit, I wonder what she thinks of Dexter fans if she gets this bent out of shape over 1 dimensional homage characters like Jayne.

You'd be classified as something beyond monster...possibly the evil that is the source of all evil .

[Swindle1984]

River actually slashed Jayne because his shirt had the Blue Sun logo on it. Same reason she ripped the labels off those jars.

Her explanation was "he looks better in red". We know why she did it (and even knowing that, it's hard to excuse slashing a guy with a knife), but as far as Jayne's concerned, she did it because she's nuts and dangerous.

From her own blog entries about Firefly, it's been gathered that the author herself is black.

Really? I'm not sure one way or t'other but I don't gather that from her various racial comments.

I got the impression she was suffering from "white guilt" while being a closet racist, myself.

[DrMckay]

Can we Recommend that both "authors" (I use the word as nothing else really comes to mind-Loonies is nice, but doesn't describe what they are producing,) read the Flashman Papers?

(for those of you who don't know, but should, here's a linky)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashman

An historical fiction series in which the despicable protagonist admits he is despicable, and is out for all the booze, sex, and money his ill-gotten glories can get him while he frantically avoids frontline service.

ten-to-one says their heads explode.