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Because I wasn't sure if she had been on my ship before. I had to trade some emails with navy buddies, post on some facebook pages, etc. and there were a lot of "Air Force Salutes". It's hard to remember names when the officer is just known as "SUPPO".

But I digress. I finally found an article that confirmed my suspicions.
The Navy Times wrote: Academy officer led double life as call girl

By Chris Amos - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Apr 15, 2008 14:41:07 EDT

By day, Lt. Cmdr. Rebecca Dickinson served as the Naval Academy food services officer, responsible for feeding 4,000 midshipmen, and occasionally taught a Navy leadership class in the academy’s ethics department.

By night, she worked as a prostitute, visiting homes and hotel rooms in the Washington, D.C., area. Using the name “Renee,” she had sex with men for $275 each.

Dickinson, testifying April 10 as a prosecution witness against Deborah Jeane Palfrey, a Northern California woman who federal prosecutors say ran a prostitution ring, said she worked for Palfrey for about six months starting in October 2005 and visited an unknown number of men, having sex with customers all but “maybe four, five times.”

Palfrey, the so-called “D.C. Madam,” faces as many as 55 years in prison if she is convicted on all counts. Dickinson, along with at least a dozen other women testifying against Palfrey, was granted immunity and can’t be prosecuted by federal or military authorities based on her testimony.

According to a court transcript, Dickinson testified that she found an advertisement for Palfrey’s company, Pamela Martin and Associates, during an Internet search. She then placed a phone call that set in motion a series of events that would eventually derail a promising Navy career, one that saw Dickinson rise from seaman to instructor at the Naval Supply Corps School in Athens, Ga.

Dickinson has since been removed from that post, has received a punitive letter of reprimand and may face more administrative actions, according to a Navy spokesman.

The call she made based on the Internet ad was answered by a woman who identified herself as Julia; several witnesses testified that “Julia” was an alias of Palfrey’s.

After Dickinson asked for work, she said the woman asked her to send a copy of her driver’s license and a picture, and then alluded to what would be expected of her.

“She just described how an evening would take place, and she had asked me a question, something like, ‘You know you’re not going there just to chat. Right?’”

“Yes,” Dickinson said she responded, indicating that she knew more than conversation would be expected. Palfrey then made arrangements for Dickinson to meet a man at a home in a Maryland suburb of Washington.

Dickinson described the encounter.

“We went in, we had small talk for a little bit, and then we began to have sexual relations. He tried to remove the condom. I was fighting to keep it on. [Afterwards] I told her that I was upset. I told her that he tried to remove the condom, and she said, ‘Don’t talk about such things on this phone.’”

Based on that appointment, Dickinson was hired. She began a routine that would last nearly six months, she said. At night, she would place a phone call to Palfrey, and on some nights — she doesn’t remember how many — she would get a call back.

“If [Palfrey] received phone calls, she would call me back and tell me the address of the appointment, and what time I was supposed to be there, and the person’s name. Then I would leave to go to the appointment. Whenever I was let in, I would take the money from the man first.

“Generally, I took clues from the men, so whatever, however they want you to approach. Many of them, we talked for a while. Others got intimate more quickly.”

She testified that she charged each man $275. She said she kept $130 and went to an Annapolis post office to send a $145 money order by Express Mail to a Benecia, Calif., post office box that Palfrey had rented.
‘Very pleasant, very nice’

Dickinson testified that she did not remember how many “appointments” she went on, but phone records released by Palfrey show more than 200 calls between her office and a cell phone registered to a Rebecca Dickinson of Atlanta. Dickinson did two tours in nearby Athens before serving at the academy.

“She was very pleasant, very nice,” Palfrey said of Dickinson in an interview with Navy Times last year. “She might talk about a rough day at work, but we really didn’t have much of a personal relationship.”

The last time Palfrey said she heard from Dickinson was when Dickinson sent her an e-mail in October 2006, asking to be put back to work after she had resolved some personal issues that caused her to take time off.

“If you need some extra help, I would be glad to work for you again, as a backup or regularly. If you are interested, please just let me know, and if not, I understand,” the e-mail read.

By that time, Palfrey had learned that she was under investigation and her company had folded. Palfrey said she never responded to the e-mail.

“I needed the money. Yes, I did,” Dickinson said, when Palfrey’s defense lawyer, Preston Burton, asked her if she sent the e-mail.

Navy officials say they first learned that Dickinson was a potential witness in the case in May 2007 and began sharing information with the Justice Department, but in deference to federal prosecutors, the service declined to launch an investigation at that time.

After Dickinson gave superiors detailed information about her involvement in the case earlier this month, she was fired her from her job at the Navy Supply Corps School, given the letter of reprimand, and was forced to go on indefinite leave.

“We expect the men and women who serve in our nation’s Navy to adhere to a standard of conduct that reflects our core values of honor, courage and commitment,” chief of naval personnel spokesman Capt. Jack Hanzlik said. “Lt. Cmdr. Dickinson’s conduct will prevent her from wearing this uniform again in the service of our country.”

Dickinson’s civilian lawyer said she understands her Navy career is over.

“She told the truth on the stand and really regrets this episode in her life. Even if she is not prosecuted, she will be paying a price for the rest of her life. We are trying to preserve what we can,” attorney Jonathan Gladstone said April 10. “We aren’t expecting her back in uniform. All things considered, we are happy with that.”

Dickinson enlisted in 1986 as an aviation electronics technician. She left the service three years later, graduated from Auburn University, and was commissioned as a supply officer in 1993. She has served aboard the cruiser Bunker Hill, the fast combat support ship Camden and the ammunition supply ship Santa Barbara, earning two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation medals and four Navy and Marine Corps Achievement medals.

A Navy officer familiar with the case said financial pressures might have motivated her; Dickinson said in court she filed for bankruptcy shortly after the escort service folded.

Palfrey said Dickinson had difficulty caring for her three children, had separated from her husband after a rocky marriage and missed work frequently to care for a sick child.

Dickinson’s lawyer said she did not wish to comment.

Whatever her reasons, Dickinson faces an uncertain future — she has more than 19 years of service time and could be forced to leave the Navy without retirement benefits.

Hanzlik said “a final determination has not been made with regards to her ability to retire,” but said “if she is, it could be at a lower rank because a retirement grade determination might find that her service as a lieutenant commander was not honorable.”
Incidentally, she was as ugly as sin and once ordered 30 pallets of Vanilla Coke(instead of 30 cases) so we were drinking that vile concoction for months because she refused to order any more beverages for the vending machines until they were used up.
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Yeah, real prostitutes don't look like movie prostitutes, unless they carry a price tag to match.

As for the article ... FIFTY FIVE YEARS? Come on, that's longer than you'll get put away for murder. Utterly ridiculous since she wasn't running a ring of sex slaves or anything; these were apparently perfectly willing women who just wanted money.
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Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, real prostitutes don't look like movie prostitutes, unless they carry a price tag to match.

As for the article ... FIFTY FIVE YEARS? Come on, that's longer than you'll get put away for murder. Utterly ridiculous since she wasn't running a ring of sex slaves or anything; these were apparently perfectly willing women who just wanted money.
Remember, the US Military will put you away for sodomy. Sodomy is defined(for the DoD) as any penetration OTHER THAN penis-vaginal.

You can tell some asshole pilgrim crammed that in there when the UCMJ was being written up.
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One cannot help but laugh that the BuPers spokesman was incapable of commenting without referring to the Navy Core Values, even if the writer did not capitalize them properly.
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If she was off-duty and off-base, I don't see how its the Navy's business.

@Lonestar: Vanilla Coke is the best pop around. It most certainly is not vile. Beer on the other hand is.
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@Lonestar: Vanilla Coke is the best pop around. It most certainly is not vile. Beer on the other hand is.
Comment negates your credibility.
Wanderer wrote:If she was off-duty and off-base, I don't see how its the Navy's business.
Well, I know why: Security concerns. The USN will never, ever, let you starve. She certainly didn't sign an "off-duty work chit" ( :) )which would be used to explain why she might be getting more money/living beyond her means. That tends to raise red flags. She was also taking part in an illegal act(whether you agree or disagree with legalized prostitution is another matter) and to the military mind if you're taking part in something illegal, what else are you doing that you aren't suppose to?
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This mostly suggests to me that Lt. Commanders are underpaid.
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Kanastrous wrote:This mostly suggests to me that Lt. Commanders are underpaid.
No. They aren't.

Let me rephrase that: There are thousands and thousands of O-4s out there, the vast majority of them manage it.

For that matter, there are thousands and thousands of junior enlisted out there that manage it.

I'm not saying that the military is overpaid, but there ain't a whole lot that turn to prostitution to make ends meet.
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Lonestar wrote:The:
@Lonestar: Vanilla Coke is the best pop around. It most certainly is not vile. Beer on the other hand is.
Comment negates your credibility.
Wanderer wrote:If she was off-duty and off-base, I don't see how its the Navy's business.
Well, I know why: Security concerns. The USN will never, ever, let you starve. She certainly didn't sign an "off-duty work chit" ( :) )which would be used to explain why she might be getting more money/living beyond her means. That tends to raise red flags. She was also taking part in an illegal act(whether you agree or disagree with legalized prostitution is another matter) and to the military mind if you're taking part in something illegal, what else are you doing that you aren't suppose to?[/quote

To emphaisize that point, what expenses did she have that she needed another 300USD per visit? In particular, what kind of debt will that impact on her clearance (if she has one) or her billet (military supply? lots of goodies there.)
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A friend who served on a nuclear submarine (SSN-679, USS Silversides) told me that stuff like speeding tickets, tax irregularities, civil suits, etc, were considered the Navy's business.

I guess they wanted their people as undistracted as possible.
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Kanastrous wrote:A friend who served on a nuclear submarine (SSN-679, USS Silversides) told me that stuff like speeding tickets, tax irregularities, civil suits, etc, were considered the Navy's business.

I guess they wanted their people as undistracted as possible.
Two of the three you mentioned involved(potentially) significant monetary problems, which would be a security concern. So yes, that would be navy buisness.

A $75 parking ticket? Not so much. DUI? Yessir.
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Lonestar wrote:
Kanastrous wrote:This mostly suggests to me that Lt. Commanders are underpaid.
No. They aren't.

Let me rephrase that: There are thousands and thousands of O-4s out there, the vast majority of them manage it.

For that matter, there are thousands and thousands of junior enlisted out there that manage it.

I'm not saying that the military is overpaid, but there ain't a whole lot that turn to prostitution to make ends meet.
You said it.
According to pay charts, she was probably making O4 pay over 4 years which comes out to $4852 a month. Not including BAH/BAS which was probably over another $2000 per month (as an E6 in Norfolk my BAH/BAS combined was $1200 dollars per month).
So she was making around $6852/month, 82224/year.
She needed money???
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Enforcer Talen wrote:To emphaisize that point, what expenses did she have that she needed another 300USD per visit? In particular, what kind of debt will that impact on her clearance (if she has one) or her billet (military supply? lots of goodies there.)
I second that. The military provides a specified amount of financial support for each dependent (spouse, child, etc.) a service member has, so having three children shouldn't have been such a burden, unless she was stupid enough to buy EVERY toy, junk food, etc., that each child wanted.

At least, it's that way for enlisted personnel. Are things different for officers?
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BAH for an O-4 in Norfolk is $1600/$2000, depending on dependent status. Given that the story mentions she has children, she's getting the $2k/month.
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I actually missed the 55 year max sentence when I read this the first time. For prostitution? That's a goddamn crime against humanity. Why is my country trying to drive me to hate it?
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Darth Wong wrote:As for the article ... FIFTY FIVE YEARS?
That's only if she's convicted on all charges.
Come on, that's longer than you'll get put away for murder.
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In Canada, perhaps. Not in America

In that case, the woman got two 90 year terms; which means that even if she gets paroled at 30 years in; she still has to serve another 30 years on her SECOND term before she's eligible for parole. FYI, the prosecutor on that one wanted a 230 year term. 8)
Utterly ridiculous since she wasn't running a ring of sex slaves or anything; these were apparently perfectly willing women who just wanted money.
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Anguirus wrote:I actually missed the 55 year max sentence when I read this the first time. For prostitution? That's a goddamn crime against humanity.
Read the article again. The LT CMDR is immune from prosecution along with the other girls in exchange for their testimony. It's the ringleader/pimp who is facing 55 years.
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Lonestar wrote:Incidentally, she was as ugly as sin and once ordered 30 pallets of Vanilla Coke(instead of 30 cases) so we were drinking that vile concoction for months because she refused to order any more beverages for the vending machines until they were used up.
She ordered 30 pallets of Vanilla Coke?

That woman ought to be canonized.
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Maybe she just liked sex.... and getting payed for it.

Sometimes people do stuff because they want to, not because they need to make ends meet.
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Here's the correct lense to view this in people
While the Navy turns a blind eye to the sexual activities of it's personnel in general(See Sailor's and port call) they do draw the line-somewhere, and you out-right breaking not only UCMJ but a major civilian law is a big no-no. What's worse is she's an officer. No-no, officers your fun life is over the instant you become an officer unless it's with other officers or where no enlisted can see you having fun.

How would you feel serving... err "under" this Lt Commander knowing she goes off duty and has sex for money? Sailor's are the buyer's not the sellers dang it! That's frigging 300 years of naval tradition for you!

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^Foreign port visits will stop if they think they're going to lose money :lol:
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A federal jury yesterday convicted the woman known as the "D.C. Madam" of running a high-end prostitution ring whose clients included members of Washington's political elite.

Deborah Jeane Palfrey, 52, sighed as the verdict was read. She had denied repeatedly that the escort service was involved in prostitution, saying that if any of the women engaged in sex acts for money, they did so without her knowledge.

Miss Palfrey caused a sensation last year when she announced that to raise money for her defense, she intended to sell her phone records to any news outlet willing to pay. Miss Palfrey said her defunct business, Pamela Martin & Associates, was "a legal, high-end erotic fantasy service" catering to clients "from the more refined walks of life here in the nation's capital."

She was convicted on all counts she faced: money laundering, using the mail for illegal purposes and racketeering.

The weeklong trial in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia included the testimony of 13 former escorts, most of whom said Miss Palfrey was careful not to talk explicitly about prostitution. But the women said they often discussed the subject with Miss Palfrey in veiled terms.

Three of Miss Palfrey's clients also testified, explaining how they found the service, how often they called, what they were seeking and whether they got it during their visits.

"When a man agrees to pay $250 for 90 minutes with a woman, what do most men expect in that time?" prosecutor Daniel Butler said during closing arguments Monday. "In that context, it's pretty clear. Most men want sex."

Defense attorney Preston Burton argued that what happened during the appointments was between the client and the escort. He compared Miss Palfrey to a taxi dispatcher, who shouldn't be penalized for "the route the cabdriver took."

The trial concluded without the testimony of two prominent men linked to the case: Sen. David Vitter, Louisiana Republican, who has publicly apologized to constituents for what he called a "very serious sin," and Randall L. Tobias, who resigned as a deputy secretary of state after acknowledging to ABC News that he used Miss Palfrey's service for massages.

Miss Palfrey, who faces a maximum of 55 years in prison, will remain free pending her sentencing July 24.

Prosecutors urged U.S. District Judge James Robertson to detain Miss Palfrey immediately, arguing that the verdict gives her a motive to flee. But the judge noted that Miss Palfrey has never missed a court appearance.
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She was convicted on all counts she faced: money laundering, using the mail for illegal purposes and racketeering.
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Beowulf wrote:BAH for an O-4 in Norfolk is $1600/$2000, depending on dependent status. Given that the story mentions she has children, she's getting the $2k/month.
Even more notable is the fact that BAH and BAS are both non-taxable income. So in effect the $2k per month is the equivalent to getting almost $3k if it was taxable. So she was getting 24,000 per year that could not be taxed. Add in the extra bank she was making with base pay and now we are talking about someone who was making an income equivalent to nearly $100,000 per year. Its kinda hard to imagine what she was spending money on that had her so deep in the hole.
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CmdrWilkens wrote:ts kinda hard to imagine what she was spending money on that had her so deep in the hole.
Conspicuous consumption. I'm sure there were new cars every couple of years, expensive housing, all the latest electronics and computers, jewelry, etcetera. Some people just can't budget worth shit.
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I don't see why this is a big triumph for society. A woman entrepreneur who was clearly among the most civilized class of pimps that exist, is being thrown to the wolves to appease America's basest theocratic impulses and in total disregard for the lack of objective harm done to society or individuals. Her clients wanted sex. Her employees were willing to sell sex. She was willing to arrange it. The only harm here is because the state choose to ban it, adequate public health protections cannot be employed.
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