Evolution is "atheism masquerading as science"

Zixinus · Post by **Zixinus** » 2008-04-16 10:19am

I'd like to see Christian legal groups suing school districts for promoting atheism in the biology classroom. No need to produce creationist or ID critiques of Darwinism. All that is necessary is to parade the atheist claims that have made their way into the biology textbooks and biology lectures. The issue isn't the scientific inadequacy of evolution but the way in which it is being used to undermine religious belief and promote unbelief. If the case can be made that atheism is being advocated in any way, then the textbooks would have to be rewritten and classroom presentations changed to remove the offending material. Schools would be on notice that they cannot use scientific facts to draw metaphysical conclusions in favor of atheism.

That's going to be veeeeeery easy if we don't use his definition of religion. Almost all textbooks are atheistic anyway. They deal with their own subject and don't bother with metaphysical conclusion unless its a theology class.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2008-04-16 12:01pm

Curious, has anyone read any prominent well written authors on evolution touching subjects (Paleontology, Cosmology, and/or Geology as examples) who definitely consider themselves Christian or religious Jews

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2008-04-16 12:35pm

Ken Miller's "Finding Darwin's God" sticks out. He testified at the Dover trial.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-04-16 12:39pm

Someone had better tell Dinesh D'Doucha that God is also "superfluous" in mathematics. Have you ever seen a mathematical proof that included God? I haven't.

Darth Onasi · Post by **Darth Onasi** » 2008-04-16 01:23pm

Darth Wong wrote:Someone had better tell Dinesh D'Doucha that God is also "superfluous" in mathematics. Have you ever seen a mathematical proof that included God? I haven't.

That's because mathematics promotes atheism! Clearly anything that doesn't include God is 200% atheist and part of the evil anti-religious agenda.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2008-04-16 01:38pm

Darth Wong wrote:Someone had better tell Dinesh D'Doucha that God is also "superfluous" in mathematics. Have you ever seen a mathematical proof that included God? I haven't.

I'm going to cook spaghetti bolognese tonight and it dawns on me when getting the ingredients that D'Souza should campaign for an end to school dinners, since God is not required at any point in any recipes. Clearly, such godless recipes are just a way of forcing The Children of America to swallow atheism.

Puns like that would be illegal in a theistic universe.

Kanastrous · Post by **Kanastrous** » 2008-04-16 05:05pm

Broomstick wrote:as a whole Jews seem much more willing to accept the Bible as an imperfect document than the literal and unaltered word of God.

Reading the damnable document over and over again, year in, year out, for most of yer life, you almost find yourself driven to that conclusion.

Darth Onasi · Post by **Darth Onasi** » 2008-04-16 05:32pm

Zuul wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Someone had better tell Dinesh D'Doucha that God is also "superfluous" in mathematics. Have you ever seen a mathematical proof that included God? I haven't.
I'm going to cook spaghetti bolognese tonight and it dawns on me when getting the ingredients that D'Souza should campaign for an end to school dinners, since God is not required at any point in any recipes. Clearly, such godless recipes are just a way of forcing The Children of America to swallow atheism.

Puns like that would be illegal in a theistic universe.

I suppose that's what saying grace is for.
Sure God didn't produce, buy or prepare your meal but that's no excuse to not thank him for it!
I'd guess people like D'Souza are also angry that schools don't force kids to do just that before eating.
Then again with the way America is going some schools might be.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2008-04-16 05:40pm

Darth Onasi wrote:
Zuul wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Someone had better tell Dinesh D'Doucha that God is also "superfluous" in mathematics. Have you ever seen a mathematical proof that included God? I haven't.
I'm going to cook spaghetti bolognese tonight and it dawns on me when getting the ingredients that D'Souza should campaign for an end to school dinners, since God is not required at any point in any recipes. Clearly, such godless recipes are just a way of forcing The Children of America to swallow atheism.

Puns like that would be illegal in a theistic universe.
I suppose that's what saying grace is for.
Sure God didn't produce, buy or prepare your meal but that's no excuse to not thank him for it!
I'd guess people like D'Souza are also angry that schools don't force kids to do just that before eating.
Then again with the way America is going some schools might be.

Might be? I think it is fair to say that especially in the southeast, it is a definite ARE. For fucks sake, they bitch about not being able to compel prayer daily.

Qwerty 42 · Post by **Qwerty 42** » 2008-04-16 06:14pm

Darth Wong wrote:Someone had better tell Dinesh D'Doucha that God is also "superfluous" in mathematics. Have you ever seen a mathematical proof that included God? I haven't.

I have seen proof of God, but I'm not sure if that's what you mean.

I like how the article sets its tone with an appeal to consequences of a belief by saying that, like most antievolutionary articles, that the problem is the removal of God as the creator.

No evidence has been mentioned at all, but instantly there's a problem. That's why these articles are so logically inconsistent.

Alerik the Fortunate · Post by **Alerik the Fortunate** » 2008-04-17 02:01am

Darth Wong wrote:Someone had better tell Dinesh D'Doucha that God is also "superfluous" in mathematics. Have you ever seen a mathematical proof that included God? I haven't.

I came across a page once mentioning the formula e^iPi=-1 with the quip from a mathematician saying, "God doesn't exist, but if he did, this equation would be the proof of his existence," which the author of the page took to mean that it actually did support the existence of God.

I have also heard in my student and tutoring days that the fact that some infinite series can converge to pi extremely slowly meant that God existed, or that Cantor's diagonalization proof was incorrect because only God is infinite, so there can be only one type of infinity; so yes some people do expect God to figure into math proofs.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2008-04-17 08:02am

Qwerty 42 wrote:I have seen proof of God, but I'm not sure if that's what you mean.

Interestingly, such proofs are either flawed or define God so vaguely that they really prove only that the universe or logic itself necessarily exists. And they tend to be more on the pure logic side of things; they're never really mathematical in nature, because maths are higher-level than logic.

Kristoff · Post by **Kristoff** » 2008-04-17 01:42pm

Darth Onasi wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Someone had better tell Dinesh D'Doucha that God is also "superfluous" in mathematics. Have you ever seen a mathematical proof that included God? I haven't.
That's because mathematics promotes atheism! Clearly anything that doesn't include God is 200% atheist and part of the evil anti-religious agenda.

Of course it does! After all is uses non-biblical value of pi!