Before you protest to "Free Tibet"...

Mr. Coffee · Post by **Mr. Coffee** » 2008-04-16 04:50pm

It really helps if you can find it on a goddamned map.

Vohu Manah · Post by **Vohu Manah** » 2008-04-16 05:17pm

I don't know what is worse: your video or this picture.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-04-16 05:42pm

Oh, for the love of...

Tell me none of that is real.

Masami von Weizegger · Post by **Masami von Weizegger** » 2008-04-16 05:46pm

While amusing, I didn't know you had to know the location of something in order to feel like you should protest or otherwise gripe about it. Whether or not you agree with the protests, I don't believe actually knowing where Tibet is is a prerequisite to campaigning for its independence.

That said, I wish more people did have a little bit of geopolitical knowhow.

The photo on the other hand, looks fake. Although, of course, it makes an amusing point, to be sure.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2008-04-16 05:48pm

Of course the Nazi Olympics was far far worse then the Chinese at the moment.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2008-04-16 05:50pm

I'm going to admit that if someone gave me a map and told me to point out Tibet, I wouldn't be 100% sure where exactly it was - I've got a general idea but I can't visualize where it is specifically.

But then, I'm not out on the streets protesting over Tibet and I wasn't part of the high school clique that thought the Dalai Lama was the greatest thing since literary criticism, so... *shrug*

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-04-16 06:02pm

Stupid people support something. Ergo, it must be abandoned. Quick, abandon every scientific theory because somewhere, an idiot believes and supports them.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2008-04-16 06:12pm

Isolder74 wrote:Of course the Nazi Olympics was far far worse then the Chinese at the moment.

Well, the Nazis were not violently cracking down on riots at the same moment, were they?

Mr. Coffee · Post by **Mr. Coffee** » 2008-04-16 06:21pm

Well, my point was if you're going to protest something at least fucking learn about it. Sorry, but if you're going going say "free country X" but you can't even find that country on a map then you're probably a bandwagoning douche who's just protesting because that's the in thing to do.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2008-04-16 06:21pm

Thanas wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:Of course the Nazi Olympics was far far worse then the Chinese at the moment.
Well, the Nazis were not violently cracking down on riots at the same moment, were they?

Unless you count the things they were doing to the Jews on the side, yes. Unless you count the Night of the Long Knives, etc. The Nazis did keep things 'pretty' while the Olympics were in town.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-04-16 06:22pm

Thanas wrote:Well, the Nazis were not violently cracking down on riots at the same moment, were they?

1) Neither are the Chinese far as I can tell.
2) They were already marginalizing the Jews and other "undesirables".

Battlehymn Republic · Post by **Battlehymn Republic** » 2008-04-16 06:26pm

But if you are to believe the official story of what happened recently in Tibet, it would be more akin to Jewish youths randomly attacking German civilians and shops, not the oppressive government.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2008-04-16 06:28pm

SirNitram wrote:Stupid people support something. Ergo, it must be abandoned. Quick, abandon every scientific theory because somewhere, an idiot believes and supports them.

Tibet is more an example of how people will jump on the issue of the day, be it Tibet, climate change, IvP, the War on Terror, etc., without really knowing anything about the issue.

Mr. Coffee · Post by **Mr. Coffee** » 2008-04-16 06:32pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Stupid people support something. Ergo, it must be abandoned. Quick, abandon every scientific theory because somewhere, an idiot believes and supports them.
Tibet is more an example of how people will jump on the issue of the day, be it Tibet, climate change, IvP, the War on Terror, etc., without really knowing anything about the issue.

Ding ding ding! Sanchez got it in one.

Sean Mulligan · Post by **Sean Mulligan** » 2008-04-16 09:51pm

People should read this article before they demand a Free Tibet. http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2008-04-16 10:13pm

Isolder74 wrote:
Thanas wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:Of course the Nazi Olympics was far far worse then the Chinese at the moment.
Well, the Nazis were not violently cracking down on riots at the same moment, were they?
Unless you count the things they were doing to the Jews on the side, yes.

Which was perceived to be way less of an issue during those times.

Unless you count the Night of the Long Knives, etc.

Which was widely taken to be a purge of criminals and thugs with some "mistakes" during that time.

The Nazis did keep things 'pretty' while the Olympics were in town.

Goebbels was the surperior propagandist.

Adrian Laguna wrote: 1) Neither are the Chinese far as I can tell.

Not from what I can tell from the Spiegel, which is probably the most reliable media source in all of Europe today.

2) They were already marginalizing the Jews and other "undesirables".

Well, yeah. However, they didn't break out the riot police and declared martial law, did they? That is a whole different level.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-04-16 10:20pm

Everyone is jumping on the Tibet bandwagon because they're too fucking stupid to realize that ethnic and religious separatism have caused an enormous amount of death, destruction, and grief in the last century, and celebrating those "worthy causes" in Tibet is no more valid than it is anywhere else. As bad as the Chinese government may be, I'm pretty sure that if we gave yet another ethnic and religious separatist movement what it wanted, the long-term results would be worse.

Post by **weemadando** » 2008-04-16 10:30pm

I think everyone needs to watch the Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode on the Dalai Llama. Both sides are fucking scumbags.

But with all that said, Nepal shall be voluntarily joining China shortly seeing as the Maoist's were just elected with a majority gov't there...

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2008-04-16 11:43pm

weemadando wrote:Nepal shall be voluntarily joining China shortly seeing as the Maoist's were just elected with a majority gov't there...

I hope you're being sarcastic. Last I heard, the CCP wanted NOTHING to do with the "Maoists" in Nepal, because they thought the Nepalese rebels were giving them a bad name.

Post by **weemadando** » 2008-04-17 12:18am

It won't stop the Maoist's from trying, after all - China's still communist? Right? ...Right?

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2008-04-17 12:26am

China's economy is a weird blend. I was reading a textbook on the Chinese economy, and while they have a growing private sector, they still maintain a large "public sector." But then they have something called the collective network, which is a really large group of public collectives owned and operated by workers or specific town units. It's somewhat like a system of worker cooperatives.

It's interesting, to say the least.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-04-17 01:30am

It won't stop the Maoist's from trying, after all - China's still communist? Right? ...Right?

After the Maoists got into the government, they're no longer "terrorist" IIRC, and Nepal's king was ousted. As to how "Maoist" they are, it remains to be seem. Quite probably they would just milk India's commie parties for money, for their great success in Nepal.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2008-04-17 01:30am

weemadando wrote:It won't stop the Maoist's from trying, after all - China's still communist? Right? ...Right?

The Maoist are a highly patriotic bunch though. Transferring Nepal's sovereignty kind of dynamites one of the main pillars of their public support.

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-04-17 08:27pm

The CCP would also have to worry about the Nepali Maoists spreading stuff like equitable distribution of wealth around the Chinese countryside. Fat chance of that happening.