Grey Knight Versus Crimson Guardsmen

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-22 09:05pm

Indeed. But I fail to see why, just because Kanos had a different gun earlier, as did the guards, that this somehow makes his gun later NOT a disrupter.

It doesnt, but it does mean that the Crimson Guardsmen in this debate has a heavy blaster, not a disrupter...

So I take you dont have an opinion on the actual subject of the debate ?

that the DL is powerful enough to a blast through a TIE cockpit when an E-11 isn't (was it an E-11?).

Probe Droid IIRC....the Wraiths were hiding behind a bunch of screens.

Really? Care to explain where?

What ? Turn the blasters down....they must do that a lot, usually for good reasons...unless of course Leia really was hit by a full power shot...which I doubt.

Sorry, this thread hijack is now in full working order. It is in fact far from finished, as well.

Just as long as you avoid addressing whether the GK would splatter the CG in less than ten seconds or not eh ?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-22 09:14pm

white_rabbit wrote:It doesnt, but it does mean that the Crimson Guardsmen in this debate has a heavy blaster, not a disrupter...

Ok so lemme get this straight: earlier in the story, Kanos has a different gun than the rest of the guards. OK. Then, when he shoots the TIE pilot he has a different gun. Sure. So please explain to me (maybe I'm missing something, or I'm just slow) WHY THIS MEANS IT COULDN'T BE A DISRUPTOR.

So I take you dont have an opinion on the actual subject of the debate ?

Grey Knight owns Crimson Guard.

Probe Droid IIRC....the Wraiths were hiding behind a bunch of screens.

Anywho the PDs gun shouldn't have been much more powerful/weaker than a DL-44. Not that a hand gun should be able to penetrate starfighter level transparisteel anyways....

What ? Turn the blasters down....they must do that a lot, usually for good reasons...unless of course Leia really was hit by a full power shot...which I doubt.

Actually I was referring to Rebels, but I seem to recall a thread about that. Leia might have been wearing blast dampening armor (which is able to be woven into Dooku's cloak!). And part of the blast hit the bunker before hitting Leia, so much of its energy was depleted.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-22 09:39pm

white_rabbit wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:
everything Ive seen points to "heavy blasters"

wheres this from ?
In "Crimson Empire" Kir Kanos shoots a TIE pilot through the ships window with his blaster. But in the Wraith Squadron novels, multiple shots from a blaster rifle are useless against its window.

So, we come to the conclusion that his gun couldn't have been a normal blaster, but rather a much more powerful disrupter.
Bullshit. I remember, in the scenes he's running around in, it WAS NOT a DL-44.

Ummm, while the Essential Tech guide may be a little crap, I cant believe that they got Hans pistol picture wrong.

Crimson empire open in front of me here, and the Blaster Kanos uses is nigh on an exact match for Hans Dl-44(is this right ?)

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-22 09:40pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:In "Crimson Empire" Kir Kanos shoots a TIE pilot through the ships window with his blaster. But in the Wraith Squadron novels, multiple shots from a blaster rifle are useless against its window.

So, we come to the conclusion that his gun couldn't have been a normal blaster, but rather a much more powerful disrupter.
Ummm, while the Essential Tech guide may be a little crap, I cant believe that they got Hans pistol picture wrong.

Crimson empire open in front of me here, and the Blaster Kanos uses is nigh on an exact match for Hans Dl-44(is this right ?)

Bullshit. I remember, in the scenes he's running around in, it WAS NOT a DL-44.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-22 09:45pm

Let's examine.

E-11s or Probe Droid Blaster (I don't believe that, quote please) cannot even score TIE transparisteel.

Kanos' pistol (which you never get a good loook at, and the presence of a scope doesn't make it a DL-44, especially when it doesn't act like a DL-44) blasts clean through and kills the pilot.

Supercharged blasters are called disruptors.

Therefore Kanos shot down the Interceptor with a disruptor.

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2003-01-22 11:35pm

Wraith Squadron, by Aaron Allison. p200.

"Tyria ducked behind one of the carts loaded with TIE fighter viewports. She fired at the oncoming droid, hitting it once, twice beside the characters A2 painted on the upper hemisphere. Surface armor charred a little, but the thing was not slowed.
It fired a return shot. It hit the TIE fighter viewport Tyria hid behind. The viewport instantly opaqued and the laser blast did not penetrate; the transparisteel slowly began to fade to glasslike clarity.
She breathed a sigh of relief. These viewports had already gone through their phototropic sheilding treatment. They'd stop anything short of the blast from a tripod-mounted laser cannon"

Said droid is repeatedly described as a "probe droid", and the description matches.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-01-23 01:53pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Supercharged blasters are called disruptors.

Essential guide also states that the disruptor pistol has a max. range of 7 metres. (the Dis. rifle only has a range of 10m) Can someone do a quick scale on CE to see if the tie was in range?

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-23 02:12pm

Ok so lemme get this straight: earlier in the story, Kanos has a different gun than the rest of the guards. OK. Then, when he shoots the TIE pilot he has a different gun. Sure. So please explain to me (maybe I'm missing something, or I'm just slow) WHY THIS MEANS IT COULDN'T BE A DISRUPTOR.

You stupid bastard, I mean that whatever his weapon is later on, he got hold of it himself, its not the weapon the Crimson Guard have.

idiot..

I cant identify the Blasters the Guard use earlier in Kanos' narrative, however, Heavy Blaster pistol is the description

Bullshit. I remember, in the scenes he's running around in, it WAS NOT a DL-44.

Actually my apologies, you are right, its not a Dl-44, its the even PUNIER DH-17 blaster pistol! I must have been thinking "heavy blasters used by CG", and then recognising the pistol illustration and obviously failing to check.

The stated max range of a Disruptor pistol BTW is apparently 7 metres.

I doubt that the Interceptor is 7 metres away when Kanos shoots it Im afraid.

which you never get a good loook at, and the presence

Good enough to identify it, same shape, same barrel.

Supercharged blasters are called disruptors.

Be that as it may, however, Heavy Blaster pistols are called Heavy Blaster pistols.

Personally I would blame inconsistancy or rather consistancy etc sacrificed for a very cool scene.

The Royal Guardsmen carry heavy disruptor pistols

And also, the RG in CE who are armed with the unidentifiable blaster pistols, repeatedly shoot Stormys, and there is unfortunately no evidence of the massive firepower and horrific effects attributed to Disruptors, i.e total vaping of targets, large areas vaped in glancing hits etc.

So, Heavy Blaster pistols, not disruptors, whatever Kanos' weapon is, he got hold of it later.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-01-23 02:15pm

IMO I would have to say that the Grey Knight would win here...

The Grey Knights where created for the purpose of fighting Daemons & psykers...A squad could probably take Palpatine in a fight...

Impressive as the Crimson Guard are the Grey Knights are by their very nature the dominate fighter here...