[Macross]Yet another I need advice with a coworker thread

[Darth Wong]

The guy appears in women magazines
He does? Which ones?

Jane magazine, according to the thread.

I actually picked up a copy that month out of curiosity and sure enough, he was in there.

[Havok]

The guy appears in women magazines
He does? Which ones?

Jane magazine, according to the thread.

I actually picked up a copy that month out of curiosity and sure enough, he was in there.

Yeah, I just read the thread. Funny stuff. Incidentally, Jane is no longer published anymore according to the website. Way to go Durandal, you killed the magazine.

[aerius]

I am seriously disturbed by what I see here.

Yeah, so am I. I really can't believe the shit I'm seeing from you, you've taken creepy perma-virgin loser to a whole new level which I did not believe was possible.

[Zablorg]

Has anyone else noticed how he refuses to directly reply to anyone, instead choosing to rave into the void?

[Darth Wong]

Has anyone else noticed how he refuses to directly reply to anyone, instead choosing to rave into the void?

I also like the way he's ignoring challenges to describe these "misinterpretations" that we've repeatedly been guilty of. He just keeps saying that we've got it all wrong, without explaining what exactly we've gotten wrong. He's like a gawky teenager who just got caught masturbating to Internet porn and says "It's not what it looks like!" If you actually respond by asking him how else we're supposed to interpret it, he won't have anything to say.

[The Spartan]

Has anyone else noticed how he refuses to directly reply to anyone, instead choosing to rave into the void?

I'm not even sure he's reading the replies anymore. Well, no more than necessary to realize they don't contain what he wants to hear.

For Christ's sake, I know exactly what he's going through. I've been there. I've made the same fucking mistakes and the same fucking excuses and made the same fucking whines about how no one understands me and no one gets what I'm going through and nothing they tell me will ever work unless it's exactly the way I think things are supposed to be blah blah blah.

Macross, on the off chance you actually read this, get over yourself jackass. Speaking for myself, I can judge you and say this shit because you're me 5 years ago. Now, Sanchez has asked this again and I'm going to ask it again in big letters so I know you're not missing it:
HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO HER YET?

That's the only fucking way you're going to get this over with: for her to finally reject you and To. Move. The. Fuck. On. After that? Well if there is a next time, and I'm not going to hold my breath, don't pussyfoot around; carpe diem and ask her if she'd like to have dinner sometime. If she says no. Move the fuck on.

[ANGELUS]

For Christ's sake, I know exactly what he's going through. I've been there. I've made the same fucking mistakes and the same fucking excuses and made the same fucking whines about how no one understands me and no one gets what I'm going through and nothing they tell me will ever work unless it's exactly the way I think things are supposed to be blah blah blah.

Yet you want to bet that he'll come up with some rethoric bullshit like his "How will you know sadness if you've never been sad" speech from the previous page?

A lot of people on this thread has told him that we've been through similar and in some cases worst situations (such as Nitram) than him and he keeps ignoring us?

[Twoyboy]

Amazing, utterly fucking amazing. This must be some new level of denial.

"You guys are always right... but not here, even if 40+ people have given me the same advice and rational criticism, it's WRONG!"

A little of Occam's Razor wouldn't go astray here.

Listen up, you whiny little shit. I used to be just like you. And spare me the "no one understands me" crap. I don't mean in every way, but I do mean whiny, self loathing but still highly egotistical, socially inept and devoted to a girl who didn't like me (4 years, ouch!). I look at you now and realise how annoying it must have been for my friends to put up with me, remind me to apologise next time I see them.

You know what I did about it in the end, I got the fuck over her and grew the fuck up. Some women are just friendly, some are nutjobs and you admit you're inexperienced, so why do you insist that she likes you?

Ok, listen, you seem to believe in fate (all your "meant to be together" bullshit) so either a) fate exists and you can go ask her right now and fate will take care of the rest or b) fate doesn't exist and you have to do it yourself - right now. Or you just admit you came here for sympathy and self gratification.

[The Spartan]

Yet you want to bet that he'll come up with some rethoric bullshit like his "How will you know sadness if you've never been sad" speech from the previous page?

In my case by the simple fact that I've been sad. Plenty of times. Probably more often than happy until relatively recently. And I did much of it to myself.

Happy is better...

[Soontir C'boath]

It doesn't matter who the fuck you are. If you can't ask the girl out, you'll never go anywhere. It's what everyone here has been saying and that's what you fucking need to do.

It's what I need to do for that matter especially as I don't want to be you ten years later.

[ANGELUS]

"You guys are always right... but not here, even if 40+ people have given me the same advice and rational criticism, it's WRONG!"

Yeah... that is actually quite funny... after so many thousands of times that fallacius arguments have been thorn appart into little pieces on this forum he still believes that he's the exception to the rule from among so many

[Anguirus]

Oh my god Macross, I had some sympathy for you but right now I just want you to shut the fuck up with your persecution complex, your nonspecific replies, and your whiny bullshit. Everyone else beat me to asking it, but the question remains...have you "taken the plunge?"

It doesn't sound like it. So let it go. All you have managed to do is convince 90% of SD.net that you are a danger to yourself and others...ask yourself why that is.

I used to admire this group for the way they could take someones argument, find some faulty assumption or logical flaw and tear it apart, you were using science, logic and reason to fight ignorance, false assumption and intolerant closed minds. Now you have become the very thing you claim to hate the most.

And why is that? Compare the likelihood of these two scenarios:

1) You have somehow convinced the entire board community to discard logic and reason just for the sake of being mean to poor little you, or:
2) The logic and reason that the board community is employing isn't returning an answer that you like, so you are becoming exactly the kind of whiny excuse-maker that you probably laugh at and dogpile when we are talking about sci-fi instead of life.

Anyway, I have nothing more to say. Instant Sunrise has the best post in the entire thread for summing up the situation (back on page 4 I think).

[The Yosemite Bear]

I don't know can he cut his wrists with Occam's Razor...

[SirNitram]

Ask a question here in the thread, it gets ignored. The question is quite basic: What's so wrong with you that we have to pity you and not, say, me, or Bear, or Chewie? I fired a PM to give him one more shot at answering. He immediately replied and tried to act like I 'understood' him. I'm sorry, but I've seen people with worse than ADD, SAD, and chronic depression do better than this kid.

[Zablorg]

Ask a question here in the thread, it gets ignored.

I am going to solidify this fact.


Hey Macross, can I have sex with your mother? My default idea is "yes", so feel free not to answer.

[Zablorg]

Oh yeah, and can we see his reply to the PM?

[Morilore]

Has anyone else noticed how he refuses to directly reply to anyone, instead choosing to rave into the void?

It's because he isn't talking to us, he's talking to himself in an attempt to maintain his white-knuckle grip on his delusions of non-worthlessness.

[Colonel Olrik]

I am going to solidify this fact.


Hey Macross, can I have sex with your mother? My default idea is "yes", so feel free not to answer.

Oh yeah, and can we see his reply to the PM?

Shut up, peanut.

[Twoyboy]

It's because he isn't talking to us, he's talking to himself in an attempt to maintain his white-knuckle grip on his delusions of non-worthlessness.

Amazingly, it's more hypocritical than that. He wants to believe he's worthless while we pander around his feet like sycophantic whores to his deep and complex soul.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Macross, since you won't reply to anyone's posts, I'm just writing this as some general advice after your latest round of deranged bullshit:

Go check yourself into a mental hospital.

[Morilore]

Amazingly, it's more hypocritical than that. He wants to believe he's worthless while we pander around his feet like sycophantic whores to his deep and complex soul.

I maintain that anything we say or don't say is incidental to his true desire, which is to reassure himself that he's not the complete failure at life that deep down he knows he is. After all, he obviously doesn't even read our posts.

If he takes the effort to write posts here, but does not take the effort to address the replies he's already received, it's obvious that the act of writing is more important to him than anything he thought he might learn from reading. Alternatively, he's scared of what might happen to him if he actually read what people are saying, but either way, it points to a creature so invested in staying in this delusional fantasy world of his that the very notion of him actually approaching this woman directly is almost an absurdity, because he has to realize that whatever happens after that the fantasy is over.

[Lusankya]

Aside from all of the creepy stalkerishness, I'm still struggling to understand why he thinks he can pick this girl up by using his worst attribute.

Seriously, what kind of person tells a girl all about his issues so that he can elicit sympathy from her and then says, "So, since you're nice about my issues, can we go out now?" and actually expects it to work???

Don't most guys try to pick up girls by showing off their best attributes? Or am I just living in Dr Seuss land, where the cats wear hats and Sam I Am eats green eggs and ham?

[Surlethe]

For anybody who doesn't want to read through the thread, or wants them all in one place to see them go from sad to creepy to scary-as-hell stalker-esque, here are Macross' posts to date:

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POST 1

I have had my current job for three years now, and I am considering leaving because I am no longer happy there. However, there is an attractive female co-worker who I have developed strong feelings towards. The truth is, I have probably stayed at this job longer then I should have to see if anything would develop with her.

Over the past three years, I have had contact with her, mostly through email and occasionally a conversation, and I think that she is starting to show genuine interest in me. The problem is that I have very little experience with serious relationships. This is the first time in eight years that I have been in a situation like this. I know that a serious relationship takes a long time to build up, and that is how I would describe what we are doing, building up to a relationship.

But because we are in different departments, I don’t interact with her all that often. Recently, I asked a friend, a coworker in her late sixties, for her advice on what I should do about this situation. I have known her for a while and she knows me, and recently she has been working directly with the attractive female coworker.
She basically said three things.
1) The attractive female coworker is exactly the kind of person she could see me with.
2) She doesn’t like to get involved with co-workers and their relationships.
3) She was under the impression that the attractive female coworker was already involved in a relationship, as she has recently purchased a house and it was part of the relationship.

This left me stunned. Not heart-broken, not depressed, not like I wanted to jump off the roof. Just stunned. I had to leave work early because I was unable to concentrate and stay focused. I am all too familiar with the feelings of heart-break and disappointment, so when I arrived home, I expected to get hit very hard. But it didn’t happen, and I am not feeling heart-broken or disappointed, at least not yet. Instead, I feel anxious.

I knew that she was single in 2006, and while I have always considered the possibility that she could enter a relationship with someone else, I don’t feel like that is the case. I don’t know if this is wishful thinking, or denial. I can’t trust my instincts; they have a way of appearing to be flat out wrong at first, but wind up being correct as more information and analysis become available.

The only thing that I can think of doing is to tell the attractive female coworker my feelings, and prepare for the worst. My instincts tell me the worst wont happen, history tells me the worst will happen, and my friend tells me that if I tell her how I feel, it will only make her feel uncomfortable like she had been leading me on.

But my instincts tell me she wasn’t leading me on, that she was genuinely interested, but my friends instincts tell her she is already in a relationship. My friend also encouraged me to keep looking and don’t give up… well, if she is right and i am wrong, then I might as well give up because everything I have come to understand to be true about relationships is wrong. That means, by extension, that everything that I have come to understand about myself over the past three years is wrong. I can’t afford to be wrong about this.

I am ready to tell her how I feel, but I am not sure if I am ready to hear her response. I am not sure if I am even ready to be in a serious relationship. I don’t know what to do, but I feel like I have to do something.

Should I tell her how I feel?
Has anyone experienced anything similar? How did it turn out?

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POST 2

Jesus Christ, your idea of how to begin or have a serious relationship seems based solely on bad straight-to-the-heart romantic movies. Do you honestly think a normal 30 years old woman will wait years for you to gain balls, and abstain from having hot sweaty sex with other men? Won't happen.

You need an attitude change ASAP or die a virgin.

Im not talking about sex, I'm talking about relationships.

Yes, I may be inexperienced, but I am not naive enough to believe that what I see on TV is accurate portrayal of what a relationship is. The fact that you equate relationships and sex and believe that it is impossible for someone to go two years without sex tells me that you have your own misconceptions about relationships and that you probably should not be giving advice.

As for rest, there has been some misunderstanding so I will clarify a few things...
The issue if she is already in a relationship is an unknown, the idea is based off of an assumption by a coworker and is not a fact.

In my experiences with her, this assumption would be false. She was single in 2006, and since that time I believe that she has started showing interest in me.

My experiences with her contradict my coworkers assumption of her.

Why would she be showing interest in me if she was already in a relationship? Or was I simply misreading her actions. That is the issue. I asked for advice on what is the best way for me to proceed when I don't know what is true.

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POST 3

If this girl ever finds out that he's been pining for her since 2006, she'll be creeped out big-time. From his perspective, he's been taking his time and waiting for the perfect moment (as if that's a good strategy). From her perspective, she just found out that this guy who she thought was a friendly coworker has actually been a secret admirer for two years, and for all she knows he has a creepy shrine in his apartment full of clandestine pictures of her.

No, I don't think she would be creeped out. She already knows about the abnormal difficulties I experienced with socialization while growing up. It was actually one of the first things we talked about when a mutual friend was experiencing some severe mental health issues and I explained to her what was happening, why it was happening, and how she could help.

So I don't think it would come as any big surprise to her that I don't know what I am doing.

But, I suppose its a moot point now. I'm going to be leaving at the end of the month anyway and I'm planning to say goodbye to her as I would any other coworker.

It's probably for the best that I don't know if she is single or not, its become apparent from what I have read here that I am still not ready.

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POST 4

I really don’t know what to say.

I admit I made mistakes. I admit I don’t know what I am doing. That’s why I asked for advice.

It is very easy to confuse shyness and a social disorder. I was labeled as shy and many believed that all I needed was a little bit of encouragement or motivation. That’s not how it works. This was not something that you simply outgrow, or can be overcome with happy thoughts and positive thinking.

In Junior High School, my guidance counselor once lectured me for not participating in some sporting activity. The vice principle once expressed his “sad disappointment” in me when I chose to exclude myself from some other group event. A “Special Education” teacher even threatened me with detention for not participating in a group. Socialize or be punished? Well it worked, and as a result I became my own worst enemy.

It was always difficult for me to make new friends or meet new people. I could never ask a question in class, nor could I answer a question when called upon by the teacher. I always said “I don’t know” even if I knew answer. Just having everyone’s attention on me made it impossible for me to think straight.

The other kids had picked up on my weakness and they were merciless, I just kept getting pushed deeper and deeper into a shell. Because of this shell, I missed out on that whole phase in adolescent where boys and girls start to notice each other and date. In High School there was a girl who I had been infatuated with, but every time I tried to talk to her I would get cold feet. I did not understand why talking to a girl was so difficult for me when my friends and classmates made it look effortless.

I always half-heartedly joked that there had to be something wrong with me, when their really was something wrong with me though I didn’t understand it at the time. It was only after I was properly diagnosed that I understood that the nervousness I felt every time I tried to talk to a girl is what psychiatrists refer to as an “anxiety attack”.

The same words that I used to describe what I felt when I had one of these attacks are the same words that are used to describe what it is to feel nervous. I thought these anxiety attacks were normal, I thought everyone felt them. Nervousness is when you have to give a speech in front of a full room of people, but you can do it anyway. For me, nervousness was debilitating and it was crippling.

It was uncontrollable stress, a stomach turning illness, the loss of the ability to think clearly and the loss of the ability to speak. That’s what it was like for me every time I tried to talk to that girl in High School, that’s what it was like every time I tried to talk to a girl in college, and I thought this was normal. Even something as simple as saying “Hello” could become an impossible task. I did not have any experience to tell me otherwise.

When I was finally diagnosed, I learned that none of the problems I had experienced had been my fault. Do any of you have any idea what its like to discover that you are not the person you thought you were? Twenty years of your life clouded and inhibited by some medical disorder that can be treated. When all the doctors, experts, and specialists, whose job it was to identify these kinds of problems had all missed it!

It was liberating to know that their had been a reason, but I thought the damage had already been done, I thought it was too late for me to start all over. Then I met her, and I felt like I had been given a second chance. But I wasn’t ready yet. Over the next two years I had to rediscover everything about myself.

So, when I finally felt like I was ready for the next step, I discover that she is probably already in a relationship? I have spent the past few days going over everything I learned in the past few years, trying to figure out exactly how I could have been so mistaken. She never once gave me any indication that she was in a happy relationship.

I may not know a whole lot about relationships or signs when someone is interested in you, but I do know when someone is hiding their true emotional state, after all, I did it for years. She never came across as someone in a relationship.

Even people who have know her a lot better and a lot longer then I have could not tell me if she was in a relationship. She comes across as professional, dedicated to her work, never talks about her personal life, and always seems a bit sad or lonely when alone.

The only time she ever really seemed happy was when she was talking to me. Her eyes would light up and her smile brightened. She always listened to what I had to say, and always treated me with a warmth, kindness and thoughtfulness that went beyond her professionalism.

Everything I thought I had learned told me she wasn’t in a relationship. I was even confident that she wasn’t relationship. That’s why I am so baffled and confused.

So what else can I do? I can not tell her my true feelings. I care too much for her and her happiness to interfere in her life. The last thing I want to do is upset her, make her uncomfortable, or come across as a creepy guy. All I can do it say goodbye and walk away.

How can I move on when there were so many mistakes that never seemed like mistakes?
I did not immediately accept the obvious because I believed there was more to the story.
When does confidence become arrogance?
When does hopefulness become blindness?

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POST 5

Dude, I'm sorry for your misfortune. I really am. I don't know what it would be like to be in your shoes, and I suppose I've always taken it for granted that I can talk to women without getting nervous. I know some of the things people have said in this thread may seem cruel to you; I don't believe they are actually intended that way. People believe that they need to say these things in order to light a fire under your ass.

Having said that, all I can say is that you need to pick yourself up and try again. But this time, don't build a woman up in your mind before you try to ask her out. Just go for it as soon as you sense that you can converse with this person in a friendly manner. The worst thing she can do is shoot you down, and if you haven't invested that much into it, then you'll see that it isn't the end of the world when it happens.

At some point, you just have to hold your breath and jump into the water.

Thank you. I guess I should have described my situation better in my original post, but honestly, the thought never occurred to me. I am not ashamed of my past or who I am today, this is something I thought was all behind me or irrelevant to the current situation. I see now that it is necessary to properly put my situation into context.

I don’t hold anything against anybody who I believe is trying to help. After I was diagnosed, I was able to forgive all those teachers, doctors, guidance counselors that had misunderstood me. How could I remain angry at someone who believed they were helping me?

As for this current situation, I still believe that their may be a chance. I have been under the assumption that she could not have been showing interest in me and in a relationship at the same time. The two ideas seemed mutually exclusive, but what if they are not?

If I knew she was happy, then I could walk away. But I don’t believe that she is happy. She always left me with the impression that she was unhappy and lonely, and that’s why it was difficult for me to accept that she was in a relationship. In fact, I would say that she has become increasingly more depressed over the past few months, since the time she bought the house. It was also around this time she started becoming distant to me.

I know that women can sometimes settle down with someone for the wrong reasons, and I believe that this is the case. Before any one says that I already had a chance and she didn’t pick me, I believe I understand why she did not pick me. A month or two before she bought the house, I had asked for her for advice if I should stay or leave. I did not get a promotion and this would affect my future plans. I wanted to let her know that I valued her advice. She was supportive and wanted to be kept informed of my decision, but I must have said something that left her with the wrong impression that I could be leaving at any moment…Anyway, this other guy would have looked like the “safer” choice.

In my defense, I didn’t know there was anyone else, if I knew, I probably would have said what I said to her differently. The whole point was to let her know that I had bigger plans and ambitions and I valued her input.

This is busiest time of year at work, daily production quotas, deadlines, accuracy percentages, etc. Very tense, very stressful. So, naturally, these past few months are spent preparing for this time of year. Last year, we received word that this year we would be getting a heavier work load; we were being “rewarded” for our excellent performance in the past. So end of last year (the time she bought the house) was spent making sure that we were able to handle the increased work load.

To help us through this time of year, we bring in temporary workers and it is her job to oversee the training program. Knowing that this is going to be the biggest, most demanding year ever, when our performance expectations have never been higher, what does she decide to do? Scrap the existing, proven system and start over from scratch with a new, experimental system…

We are only given a small margin for error, if we let too many mistakes get through, we lose our contract and the place gets shut down. Even my coworker, the one who I confided in, once said to me “I don’t know what she is doing.” So, am I expected to believe that she has taken on this extra burden at work, making her job a lot more difficult and stressful, making everyone else’s job a lot more difficult and stressful, making an already difficult situation even worse, and she throws herself into it all the while she is supposed to be settling into a new living-arrangement in a happy relationship? No, I don’t think so.

So today, I consulted another coworker, someone who has known her for a while. I pointed out some of the observations I had made, and my coworker seemed genuinely surprised by them. My coworker didn’t really know what to say, but the look on her face told me that I was making sense and she would have to think about it.

I have found hope, now I need to give her hope. She still has that glimmer in her eyes when she looks at me, I need to let her know that I am still an option and it’s not too late. I know this wont be an easy decision for her and I am prepared to live with her decision.

Time to take the plunge.

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POST 6

Good advice. I will keep it simple, and try not get my hopes up.

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POST 7

Macross
Give it the fuck up. You are sounding more stalker-esque than ever.

Ok, I know I sound over-eager, but this isn't something thats spontaneous or completely random. There is something between us, their is history between us, it may not seem like much, but its enough for me to at least give this a try. It is enough for me to know that I just cant walk away without ever knowing.

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POST 8

Well, I see you have completely and utterly failed to understand me or why this is important. I am trying to prove to myself that I have changed, I have grown past my own limitations and I am no longer automatically bound to repeat the same mistakes that I have made in the past and you call this excessive stupidity?

And when I ask for guidance, you wont even give me an inch. You call me obsessive and an idiot because everything I have learned in life, everything I have experienced tells me there is still some small hope? Walking away is the easy thing to do and there was a time I would have walked away without hesitation, but to do so again would mean that I would have learned nothing.

Go ahead and lock this thread if you must, I will not allow your own bitterness to distract me at this critical time in my life.

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POST 9

Abuse and accusations? He said like one really stupid thing to someone that I can recall, and that was in like his second post. I don't know anything about his posting history, though.

Calling it 'naive' to believe sex is a necessary part of a relationship.. To a bunch of married people? Ignoring their advice? Being a general idiot who refuses to listen? Being a whiny general idiot who is so self-centered he might collapse into a singularity?

That's enough in my book. It's not like I dropped the hammer on the first page.

Except that is not what I said. In fact, you have managed to completely turn around everything that I have been trying to say. I said it was naive to believe that what is portrayed on TV is an accurate representation of all relationships. If it seemed like I am ignoring someones advice, its probably because most of the advice that I have received doesn't really fit the context of this the situation. So I realize there has been confusion over the details, but when I try to clarify those details I'm called whiny. When I realize that the situation is no longer just about me dealing with my own insecurities, but helping someone else overcome their insecurities, you call me self centered?

I really do need help with this situation, but there has been a complete break down and misunderstanding over whats been going on. The situation has changed since I originally posted that it has been difficult for me keep up. There is nothing normal about this situation.

If you don't understand me or this situation, then at least understand that I am trying to do the right thing and I am in way over my head.

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POST 10

All I can say is that you have misjudged me. If I try to explain myself any further it will only be met with more scorn and ridicule. If I say nothing, it only would only confirm your false impression of me.

I look over the responses in this thread and I see that some of you have not read a single word I wrote. They only responded to what they thought I wrote, or picked up on something someone else wrote. How can I possibly defend myself against this?

Consider this, why would someone with my background openly put myself into a position of ridicule? I thought this forum, a place where the people pride themselves on their intelligence, could help me with a problem, I thought this place would have the knowledge and experience that I could draw upon. But I see most of you lack the compassion and the insight to turn that knowledge and experience into wisdom.

I learned very early on that words do hurt, especially the taunts that contained some bit of truth within them. I am not hurt or angry or mad at anyone here, because you do not understand why I am the way I am or think the way I do. You do not understand me or my motivations. When I try to explain, you refuse to listen.

You say I am delusional, lying to myself, making excuses; well this is not the first time I have heard this said to me. You probably consider some of the things I said to be irrational, without reason or logic, yet I can say the same thing about some of the responses I see. I know that you can not relate to me or my experiences.

I do not want or need your pity or your sympathy, all I wanted was for you try and understand me and my point of view. Some of you started to understand me, while others could not see past their own preconceived notions of how someone should think and feel. You had to warp and distort everything I have tried to say, you discarded everything that I have learned and experienced so I fit into something that you do understand.

This is something that I have been experiencing my entire life, so I can forgive you. If you do not understand why, then you are probably not as smart as you thought you were. I do not say this as an insult, but rather something to reflect upon.

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POST 11

I am seriously disturbed by what I see here. You managed to take a simple “Boy meets girl, boy must learn to love again” story and turned it into some psycho/slasher/stalker story, you really should be ashamed of yourselves. I know I have my own insecurities, I know I still have a lot to learn, but to take this as far as you have simply defies all logic and reason.

All you have done is thrown away every thing you stand for, and for what? A few laughs at my expense? I used to admire this group for the way they could take someones argument, find some faulty assumption or logical flaw and tear it apart, you were using science, logic and reason to fight ignorance, false assumption and intolerant closed minds. Now you have become the very thing you claim to hate the most.

You failed to observe, you failed to question, you failed to look past your own preconceived notions even after you learned the unusual circumstances behind my social inexperience. You still continued to judge me and looked upon me as some social outcast, and this “witch-hunt” is the result.

Inexperience does not mean no experience. Inexperience with relationships does not mean inexperience with life. My social skills may not have developed normally, but that does not mean they did not develop at all. It does not mean that I did not develop other skills. Your logic is flawed. You all jumped to the wrong conclusion.

And you think your taunts and ridicule hurt me? They do not. I do not see any truth in your words, I know who I am. I understand why I was confused before, why I wasn’t feeling the way I thought I should, its because I am now comfortable and confident with who I am. I know I can accept and live with what ever happens.

How can any of you know happiness if you have never been unhappy? How can you know confidence when you have never known doubt? How can you know hope when you have never known despair? How can you know inner peace if you have never hated yourself?

I don’t know what will happen with my coworker, I have already said everything I needed to say. I do know I will love somebody someday and I will be able to love her in a way that only a few of you could ever understand.

If you have found any truth in what I have said, then there is hope for you. If not, then you will never grow beyond what you are right now, and I find that sad.

If this means I am no longer welcome on this forum, then so be it. It’s a small price to pay for what I have learned about myself. I know who I am, I know you have misjudged me. Label me, ban me, mock me, it will never change the fact that you are wrong about me. Maybe in time you will see that.

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[Ghost Rider]

For the "Too Long, Didn't Read" version of Macross.

Macross: I like this girl, I think she likes me, I don't have the balls to ask her or talk with her beyond casual talk.

People: Chime in with helpful advice, a few with stories understanding COMPLETELY.

Macross, when not hearing, that he can score with his inept bumbling descends into a mess that demonstrates he'll only get laid by a blind toothless hooker.

I'm sure dickless will come back since this is not even the first time he's pulled this shit. This is though one of the few times he's broken the virgin barrier and demonstrated some very stalkerish behavoir.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I'm sure dickless will come back since this is not even the first time he's pulled this shit. This is though one of the few times he's broken the virgin barrier and demonstrated some very stalkerish behavoir.

We've no need for his kind of pollution and distraction from actual issues of import. Throw the drama queen out!