[Macross]Yet another I need advice with a coworker thread

[Darth Wong]

This thread will make a great addition to Parting Shots someday

[Coyote]

Macross, seriously, I recommend counseling services. Your litany of excuses about social ineptitude are all just a smokescreen to avoid the real issue: you have major self-esteem issues.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Okay, post number 8 of his, where he talks about 'A history between us' is something that gets said in the movie right before he starts wearing someone's skin.

Also, after his last rant I expected him to scream SOON I WILL BE INVINCIBLE!!! and turn into a giant snake. Seriously, this is rooftop-with-rifle level crazy.

[SirNitram]

Okay, post number 8 of his, where he talks about 'A history between us' is something that gets said in the movie right before he starts wearing someone's skin.

Also, after his last rant I expected him to scream SOON I WILL BE INVINCIBLE!!! and turn into a giant snake. Seriously, this is rooftop-with-rifle level crazy.

True, but he can't beat out Shep for 'Board Member Most Likely To Be In An Article With The Phrase 'Hail Of Gunfire'.'.

The PMs.

Consider this a chance. You're getting one more than I usually give anyone. Consider that a long time before you blow me off, or accuse, or dare lecture me again.

What is the cause of your stunted social growth?

Here. I'll make it easy. I'll go first. Asperger's, severe.

And never lecture me again.

Attention deficit disorder, social anxiety disorder and chronic depression, only properly diagnosed in my mid-20s.

I admire you for telling me this, now we understand one another. Sometimes knowing that little extra detail can make all the difference in the world, especially when it is hidden from plain sight, that’s the point I was trying to make. You carry your own extra detail, something that defines who you are, something that very few people can understand, but it also gives you insight, that’s why you understood what I was saying.

Attention deficit disorder, social anxiety disorder and chronic depression, only properly diagnosed in my mid-20s.

My school had five with that combination, one with that and more. They developed better than you. I'm not shedding tears.

I admire you for telling me this, now we understand one another. Sometimes knowing that little extra detail can make all the difference in the world, especially when it is hidden from plain sight, that’s the point I was trying to make. You carry your own extra detail, something that defines who you are, something that very few people can understand, but it also gives you insight, that’s why you understood what I was saying.

My Aspergers does not define me. I am not weak. And while I comprehend a little more, it merely makes me contemptuous. What you have is not beyond being overcome. Yet you let it rule your life. You also present all the classic signs of a stalker with what you presented.

This wasn't an apology. This was me demanding you answer a question you ignored.

It wasn't nice and kind. But I will not be lectured by this punk, and I will not let him say my AS defines me.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Okay, post number 8 of his, where he talks about 'A history between us' is something that gets said in the movie right before he starts wearing someone's skin.

Also, after his last rant I expected him to scream SOON I WILL BE INVINCIBLE!!! and turn into a giant snake. Seriously, this is rooftop-with-rifle level crazy.

True, but he can't beat out Shep for 'Board Member Most Likely To Be In An Article With The Phrase 'Hail Of Gunfire'.'.

Okay, but that's really not fair as he's already shot at people. I think we should change the category to reflect first-time-appearances.

[Coyote]

Okay, but that's really not fair as he's already shot at people. I think we should change the category to reflect first-time-appearances.

How about "...standoff with Federal Law Enforcement officers..."

Macross, on the other hand, will be the guy that has an article in which the phrases "neighbors said he was quiet and kept to himself" and "authorities digging up the driveway" will feature prominently.

[Knife]

This thread was amusing as hell. First off, though, I think a lot of people knee jerked to 'stalker' when he never really stalked the girl but he loses no points on his 'creepiness'.

I have a hard time believing he is indeed 31 years old, all his antics are more in line with a mid teen, awkward little boy. If he is indeed 31 years old, he's a living, breathing stereotype of the basement dwelling Star Trek obsessed fan.

The saddest fact is that he thinks he's special when every single person goes through a social awkward stage. Granted, usually in the teens to early twenties but....I think he's still doing it because he's refused to come out of his shell and participate in society at that level.

Macross, if you are still reading this thread; you have two choices you can pick from. 1) continue believing that rejection is worse than the possible benefits of a relationship. Or 2) while rejection sucks, start believing that the benefits of a relationship outweigh whatever negatives you think rejection gives you. It's really no different than the advice the others tried to give you five pages ago but it's the truth of the matter.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

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Anyways...

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Really you don't have anything to lose by asking though.

My opinion is that you just ask her out with the intention of getting to know her better.

This one's not happening; you should learn from this and resolve to be more decisive with the next girl.

Ask her out.

Cowboy up and ask her out, and knock off the emo whiny bullshit.

Then ask her and then tell us what happened.

Seriously. Next time you bump into her just ask her out.

But you gotta ask her out first

If I were in your position, i would slap my balls really hard and on the resultant adrenaline, ask her to elope and then bail from the job regardless.

You should have asked her out within the first two weeks of meeting her, now your pretty much fucked.

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Do you know what you need to do? Go ask girls out before you have invested so much emotional attachment to them.

There's only one way to "be ready", and that's by doing.

Just go for it as soon as you sense that you can converse with this person in a friendly manner. The worst thing she can do is shoot you down

One of the next times you're with her tell her that you're thinking of leaving/accepted a job offer elsewhere/whatever. Do a bit of small talk after that (a revelation like this has to be followed by some talk!) and at some point tell her that you enjoy her company and would like to keep seeing her. If she agrees RIGHT AWAY and gives you her contact details, take the chance to ask her if she wouldn't like to meet outside work next week, as a replacement of the times you meet during work.

If you must ask her, then ask. But don't build this up into anything more than it is: a guy who has a crush on a girl.

Here's an idea - GO FUCKING TRY and stop wasting our time.

Now, either do something, or get out of this damn thread before I lock it for excessive stupidity.

If you must know, ask her if she has a boyfriend. She will probably say yes, at which point you must deal with it. If she says no, then ask her out

ASK HER OUT RIGHT NOW OR GIVE UP FOREVER AND WALK AWAY.

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Get off your ass, ask her if she has a boyfriend, and when she says yes, go home and cry. Then, get over it and move on with your life.

If you're willing to risk, ask her if she has a boyfriend and if not, ask her out.

Either make an ass of yourself and ask the girl out or go back to hiding in your corner.

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Let me ask you something, or reiterate someone else's question rather, have you spoken to her yet?

Just go and ask already, then move the hell on if it doesn't work out.

JUST ASK HER OUT YOU IDIOT!

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2. You waited to long and blew your fucking chance. Next time you see a girl you'd like to have carnal knowledge of cowboy the fuck up and ask her on a date. The worst that can happen is she says "no".

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Have you asked the woman out yet?

YES OR NO

Sooooo..... it's been exactly five days since you declared "Time to take the plunge". Have you done it yet? or have you simply been sitting somewhere thinking of how you're not ready?

Now, Sanchez has asked this again and I'm going to ask it again in big letters so I know you're not missing it:
HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO HER YET?

so either a) fate exists and you can go ask her right now and fate will take care of the rest or b) fate doesn't exist and you have to do it yourself - right now.

Everyone else beat me to asking it, but the question remains...have you "taken the plunge?"

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Or 2) while rejection sucks, start believing that the benefits of a relationship outweigh whatever negatives you think rejection gives you. It's really no different than the advice the others tried to give you five pages ago but it's the truth of the matter.

I'm not going to even try to count the number of times the same exact advice was given.

Since this is already in HoS and pretty much consigned to vulturing this pathetic twit's corpse until he gets shoveled off into Parting Shots, I'm going to do a little gloating...

This is my girlfriend:



Yeah, see that? She's an incredibly hot, intelligent, dominant, industrial goth model and soon to be college graduate.

This is me:



Yeah, a tall, gawky, socially inept, crossdressing kittyboy with aspergers and severely geeky tendencies.

And I'm going out with her. I sleep with her every fucking night. We do those horrible public displays of affection, hugging and kissing each other in front of others!

And you know why? Because I fucking asked her.

You? You're just a sad loser, and I'm laughing at you right now, because I'll be too busy snuggling and having sex with my hot girlfriend later to waste time thinking about you.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Well said, OKD. BTW, for the record, I thought the girlfriend pic was you

[Macross]

SirNitram,
I am really sorry that you could not keep this private between us.

I know why you showed these private messages to everyone, to rally the support behind you, to get the forum to unite against me so that I would hate you.

I can not give you what you need, I can not hate you.

I see why you are drawn to this board, for the very same reason that I was. The pursuit of logic, reason, and rational thought, I see why this would be appealing to you. You thought you could learn how to overcome your disability, you could learn to think logically and rationally and be like everyone else. But all you learned was hate.

You need my hate to validate yourself, to convince yourself that you have conquered your Aspergers syndrome. It is how you measure your success. You don’t win arguments through logic and reason, you win them through hate. Most of your opponents give up out of frustration; they grow angry at you because there is no logic or reason behind your arguments. You take that hate and redirect it back at them and when they leave or give in, it gives you a false sense of victory. You believe you won the debate through logic and reason but you only drove them away and the only thing you feel is the hate.

You have been around here for a very long time, since the very beginning, so it’s easy to see how everyone else missed this. They all have grown accustomed to you and your behavior and you are an established presence. That’s why most people here are quick to side with your point of view without question or hesitation, even though they may not understand your point of view.

People agree with you not by what you say, its by how you say it, it’s through the power of your conviction, not your logic.

When you saw my original post, you saw an easy victory for yourself, an easy way to validate yourself. You were not bothered by anything that I said, you were bothered by how easily I dismissed you. You were bothered that I did not get angry with you, that I did not fight you and this completely baffled you.

The more you learned about me the more you had to provoke me. When you knew I wasn’t going to play your game anymore, you tried to provoke me again this time in private. I thought you were trying to reach out, so when I didn’t bite that time, you sent another one and when I did not respond fast enough, you went public. I read your message this morning and it really disturbed me. I spent all day trying to understand you and how to respond in an appropriate manner, but now I see that my worst suspicions were true.

In a way you have done yourself a favor, now everyone can see your secret. Now you can no longer hide and pretend to be something that you are not.

Yes, I have social anxiety disorder and attention deficit disorder, but these only limit my cognitive abilities. I have trouble understanding why A + B = C. You admitted you have severe Asperger syndrome, this disrupts your cognitive abilities. You have trouble understanding how A + B = C.

You notice the puzzle pieces, but you can’t put the pieces together into any meaningful picture. You say that Aspergers does not define you; it’s completely taken over your life. I believe that you have suspected that this was true for a very long time now. Maybe all you needed was someone to acknowledge it. It’s your greatest fear, that’s why you can never admit that you are wrong about anything, even when it’s obvious. To admit that you are wrong about anything only opens the possibility that you could be wrong about yourself.

You look at me and you see that I was able to overcome my problems and I am trying to build a normal life. That’s why you try to belittle me and my achievement; you try to pass it off like it wasn’t anything special. But you wish it had been you who had accomplished these things, when you know deep down you have not accomplished anything.

Every last word you used to describe me is exactly how I would have described you. That’s why you had to twist me and distort me into a reflection of yourself, something that is easy for everyone to hate. You don’t really hate me at all, you really hate yourself. That is why you are so desperate for me to hate you, to prove to yourself that you have not been living a lie.

I am not going to do that because I know you can become the person you want to be, the person you think you are now. But first you have to accept that Aspergers is a part of who you are. You can not learn to live with it if you deny that it is a problem. You have to accept that you will not ever be able to live a completely normal life. It does not make you weak.

I see that you have already developed many of the skills needed to live a normal life, but your judgment and instincts are being clouded by your hate. You need to forgive yourself; you need to understand that this is not your fault. You need to abandon everything you thought you knew about yourself and start over. This is not going to be easy, but it can be done.

Now everyone knows and they will give you support and encouragement that you need.

[Zablorg]

Yes, I have social anxiety disorder and attention deficit disorder, but these only limit my cognitive abilities. I have trouble understanding why A + B = C. You admitted you have severe Asperger syndrome, this disrupts your cognitive abilities. You have trouble understanding how A + B = C.

I resent this.

Seriously, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[Mr. Coffee]

TL;DR...

Hey, Fucko. Instead of posting more and digging the hole deeper, why don't you read the responses people have given. See, unlike you, most all of us have removed the factory shrink wrap from our sexual organs and have gotten laid. Not our fault you're a fucking creepy little degenerate. We've given you a lot of very good advice on how to get over your shortcomings, which are manifold, and instead of saying "Gee, thanks for the help", you piss, whine, and moan little an impotent little douchebag.

Myself, I'm kind of glad you can't seem to get any. At least it'll prevent you from polluting the human race.

You + Speeding City Bus = Porblem Solved. Go make it happen, assclown.

[CaptainChewbacca]

GIVE IN TO YOUR ANGER, MACROSS!

Seriously, you're a fucking moron and you're going to be banned. You aren't Nitram's arch enemy or even his 'mild nuissance'. You are, however, paranoid and delusional, and I've never seen someone combine narcissism with an inferiority complex but you somehow managed to do it.

Seriously, find someone who you trust, and ask them their honest opinion of you. You've had about forty people tell you the same thing, and its not because we're mindless footsoldiers of Nitram.

BTW, Nitram has been wrong before. I've seen him admit it, and appologize. I've never seen YOU do that, though.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Edit: Incidentally, Nitram has a beautiful wife who loves him. You don't even have friends. Who needs to start over?

[Ghost Rider]

LOL...yes, Nitram has only learned hate. Take it from a man who's met him, he's learned a lot more with what he has in his years then you ever did with yours.

Last but not least, none of this Yoda babble shit will ever get you a single pussy if you are still so fucking scared of any sex. But continue, this shit makes me laugh and I don't have the heart to see you kicked out just yet.

[Surlethe]

<snip HATE HATE HATE snip>

Goddamn, man, do you really take yourself seriously? I can't believe someone who's 31 and working a successful career could ever write something like that and really mean it.

[SirNitram]

SirNitram,
I am really sorry that you could not keep this private between us.

What implied I was ever going to?

You wouldn't reply to posts in this thread so I made something you couldn't ignore so easily.

Oh, wait. That's your 'Wild assumptions about other people' again.

I know why you showed these private messages to everyone, to rally the support behind you, to get the forum to unite against me so that I would hate you.

No. I showed them because I suspected others were curious about this vague 'problem' you kept whining about like a little brat. I don't care what you feel to me.

I can not give you what you need, I can not hate you.

I need nothing from you. Stop inflating yourself.

I see why you are drawn to this board, for the very same reason that I was. The pursuit of logic, reason, and rational thought, I see why this would be appealing to you. You thought you could learn how to overcome your disability, you could learn to think logically and rationally and be like everyone else. But all you learned was hate.

Who would want to be like the common man? But I learned so much more than hate. Love. Joy. Pain. Sorrow from real loss, not the fit of a teenager. I never wanted to be like the teeming masses, for whom logic, rational thought, and reason are alien. I didn't need to learn them. My disability makes them almost instinctual.

I learned so much more than hate. But you cannot allow yourself to think that. It'd mean there was more to my comments than blind rage.

You need my hate to validate yourself, to convince yourself that you have conquered your Aspergers syndrome. It is how you measure your success. You don’t win arguments through logic and reason, you win them through hate. Most of your opponents give up out of frustration; they grow angry at you because there is no logic or reason behind your arguments. You take that hate and redirect it back at them and when they leave or give in, it gives you a false sense of victory. You believe you won the debate through logic and reason but you only drove them away and the only thing you feel is the hate.

Bzzzzzt. You want to know the validation I have that I overcame Asperger's? You want the secret? Four years of a happy marriage.

You can scream to the high heavens how I win debates through 'hate' and 'frustration'. I let my record stand on it's own. It needs no petty bullshit.

You have been around here for a very long time, since the very beginning, so it’s easy to see how everyone else missed this. They all have grown accustomed to you and your behavior and you are an established presence. That’s why most people here are quick to side with your point of view without question or hesitation, even though they may not understand your point of view.

Here we go again. You're so convinced you're superior you hallucinate only you can see the 'truth'. You never consider the alternative. You never consider you might be wrong.

Because all you've learned is to whine.

People agree with you not by what you say, its by how you say it, it’s through the power of your conviction, not your logic.

How would you know? Logic is alien to you. Same as actual love and affection.

<Snip Bullshit Lecture>

Now everyone knows and they will give you support and encouragement that you need.

Yes, because I'm the pathetic sack of shit who can't ask a woman out.

Oh wait. That's you.

I told you. Never lecture me.

Let me remind you why you are totally wrong.

Four Years Of Happy Marriage.

I have no need to defend myself from your petty psycho-projection session. I hold no secrets here. My love life and debating record stand before all, to be checked independently. You can scream some more now. But you chose the quick and easy path, the path of the cretin. You attacked. You attacked poorly.

[SirNitram]

The support is of course welcome, but really, who gives a shit? My life is hardly a giant secret around here. Anyone can look and see he's full of shit.

[Havok]

Macross
Man, what the fuck is wrong with you? Are seriously saying that a guy who has a 4th year anniversary thread, started by his loving wife, going in another sub-forum, knows nothing but hate? Is it ADD or fucking down syndrome? Because I'm really starting to question your mental state.

[Pint0 Xtreme]

Heh. So Macross, have you asked her out yet?

[Stile]

Geez this shit is getting deep in here.

[quote-"Fuckstick"]You have been around here for a very long time, since the very beginning, so it’s easy to see how everyone else missed this. They all have grown accustomed to you and your behavior and you are an established presence. That’s why most people here are quick to side with your point of view without question or hesitation, even though they may not understand your point of view.[/quote]

As a relatively low post count lurker around here, I've seen Nitram get smacked about when he was wrong. Like someone else has said, Nitram actually admits when he's wrong. Macross seems to tripping and smacking his face into DR4 and DR7.

Hey Macross, I'm a 36 year old permavirgin and you make me look like fucking Don Juan. Grow a fucking pair and shut the fuck up douchebag.

[Ghost Rider]

Heh. So Macross, have you asked her out yet?

Please. Dickless doesn't have the time for such a menial task, when he must defend himself and stave off the unwashed horde and do battle with Nitram, Mike and others.

Obviously his mere online persona will overwhelm the she beast within from her cold sterile shell and they shall have hot sex, tomorrow.

[LadyTevar]

Macross you are a stupid, pitiful excuse for a man.
No... not even a man. You haven't shown the balls to be even remotely a man.

TWO YEARS you've been watching this woman at work. Hell, even Nitram didn't take that long to ask me out and get sexy with me! The only reason we've not been married 6 years is because I was coming off a bad relationship and didn't want a rebound!

But you. You just take the cake. We give you advice, we tell you what you did wrong, we tell you how to make it better ... and you turn into a crybaby.

I can see right now you're headed down the path of an acquaintance of mine, who is nearly 50 and never had sex. He spends all of his time either at work, or playing WoW in the one-room attic apartment, because he has never been able to be mature enough to enter a relationship. He fantasizes about Willow and the Charmed ladies, spinning stories about how he'll move into their lives and make them extremely happy for as long as they live.

Then again... no, you're not like him. HE'S at least asked some of the women he works with out on dates, and even gotten set up on dates with people. Unfortunately, his 'boyish charm' is actually childish immaturity, mixed with a 'oh-woe-is-me' guilt trip worthy of a Jewish Mother, and it drives them away just as fast.

But at least he's tried.
What's your excuse?

Oh... yeah. ADD, Social Anxiety, and Depression.

Funny... my ADD, Manic-Depressive college roommate sexed up 100 guys in the two years I knew her. So I don't think that's a good excuse.
Oh... wait... she was Cute and Female and Stacked. That does make a difference, since college guys arent' really looking for social interaction at that age, are they?

Women on the other hand, are looking for someone with enough balls to look them in the eye and say "Hi... you're cute. Wanna fuck?" (or words to that effect). We are NOT looking for the office wallflower who hides in a corner and secretly pines for us without ever saying a word in the entire TWO YEARS he's worked with us.

So, the Object of your Affection suddenly gets a man, buys and house, and starts getting a real life.
SHOCK! HORROR! Your Red-Haired Girl is Not With You, Charlie Brown!

No, she went out and found a guy that had the guts and balls to say "Hi, you're cute! Wanna fuck?" And as Wong mentioned, she's probably getting well-pounded every night, screaming his name, and never even ONCE thinking about you.
Sorry, Charlie. Spineless Nerds Need Not Apply.

[Havok]

Funny... my ADD, Manic-Depressive college roommate sexed up 100 guys in the two years I knew her. So I don't think that's a good excuse.
Oh... wait... she was Cute and Female and Stacked. That does make a difference, since college guys arent' really looking for social interaction at that age, are they?

Still in contact with her?

[LadyTevar]

Funny... my ADD, Manic-Depressive college roommate sexed up 100 guys in the two years I knew her. So I don't think that's a good excuse.
Oh... wait... she was Cute and Female and Stacked. That does make a difference, since college guys arent' really looking for social interaction at that age, are they?

Still in contact with her?

That was nearly 20 years ago, Havokeff. *patpats*