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[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Looking at that An-22P gunship makes me want to order one

Please do! *extends hand* Custom painting done by your pilots or artists, but we provide the paint gratis!

We've already placed our order for an An-22P. Some of the Air Force officers already have a rough idea of what they want for the gunship's nose art.

[Shroom Man 777]

@ Bear: I think we already have that. I think someone mentioned sonic weapons a while ago...

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

The FCS and the ACV are proven designs, they've been rigorously tested, and more countries are in on 'em than just Wilkonia

The difference is that while the FCS takes a crew 8 to carry 15k DWT wheras the Wilkonian Container Transport is an 8000 TEU (roughly 100k DWT) container only vessel with a crew of 12-20. Just one Wilkonian vessel can carry something on the order of 8 times the cargo load (for containerized/intermodal cargo) of the FCS. So basically if you get in line behind Fingolfin (who has priority delivery of the next two to roll off of FCSY's slipways around the last quarter of 2009) you could have as much tonnage and capacity as waiting around for 8-10 FCS's to get delivered.

The per-unit cost is 210million ROB (250million USD) so its as much as a dozen FCS's but also requires less crewspace and lower lifetime operational costs.

The other Wilkonian vessel (aside from minor shipping vessels on the order of 3-5000 DWT) which folks might be interested in if the LNG carrier which is currently the sole anounced LNG vessel. If you want to trade in gas then you probably want one (or else you can go build and maintain a pipeline).

As an aside I've seen the rough 500k DWT/yr for Tsardom's and I'm just stating offhand that the naval expenditure I've been putting out there is leading to a noticeable and consistent increase in that capacity for Wilkonia. As I'm not sure if anyone else is maintinaing enough of a naval support infrastructure to sustain 4 CVBGs (including 1 in refit at all times) I think its justifiable.

Byzantium's Constantinople Shipping eagerly awaits these new ships. Aside from competition from rivals, Constantinople shipping wants to be free of pesky pirates who take potshots at our ships.

[The Yosemite Bear]

ahh. how about TASPS ...

aka a weapon that shorts out the subject's pleasure centers...

[Shroom Man 777]

Note that Shroomania has had experience in outfitting vessels with anti-piracy armament and that while the FCS is a smaller vessel, it is much faster than the Wilkonian Container Transport. The FCS is great for inter-island shipping and sometimes, size isn't everything

On PeZookia's airforce, I think they should be like Sweden. They have the same GDP and should have the same awesome airplanes like the Gripen and the Draken.

[PeZook]

Note that Shroomania has had experience in outfitting vessels with anti-piracy armament and that while the FCS is a smaller vessel, it is much faster than the Wilkonian Container Transport. The FCS is great for inter-island shipping and sometimes, size isn't everything

Yep - we are an archipelago world, and that means shipping to anywhere has to go by sea or air. In this situation smaller transports are the best - they can move the goods to several ports in smaller portions, right where they are needed. On Earth, most shipping moves between giant ports, out of which trucks and trains distribute the goods (and distances are vastly greater).

On PeZookia's airforce, I think they should be like Sweden. They have the same GDP and should have the same awesome airplanes like the Gripen and the Draken.

Uh, no. Sweden has five times PeZookia' s GDP, three times the GDP per capita and almost twice the population

Forming Gripen squadrons is out of the question for the time being. I'll settle for my light fighters/trainers for the time being, maybe upgrading to Sukhois (or F-18s) in a few years.

[Shroom Man 777]

2,501-5,000 Posts-Kingdom
-Total Land Area, 250,000 square kilometers
-Population: 15 million first world, 30 million second world
-Military, 100,000-200,000 personel, Comprable armored/motorized deployment to Royal Army, 150 Jet Fighters, 10 Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers, 40 Halifax Class Frigates and 10 modern Diesel submarines
-Able to produce enough food for export, with industry capable of producing largescale goods such as cars, modern arms industry and some shipbuilding, GPD-$375,000,000,000 USD per year

GDP (nominal) 2006 estimate
- Total $384 billion (20th)
- Per capita $47,069 (8th)

And PeZookia is...

Oh fuck. Goddamn it. Fine, F-18s it is, then.

Would you want your pilots to receive homoerotic Top Gun training courtesy of the Shroomanian Air Force?

[PeZook]

Would you want your pilots to receive homoerotic Top Gun training courtesy of the Shroomanian Air Force?

Uh...yeah? I think I already announced them training hard in Shroomania -look at the last major posrt by me in the main thread

[Shroom Man 777]

Ah yes. And Shady's gone in with it, as well. Training exercises, followed by multinational beach volleyball! Oil for everyone!

[Zablorg]

Someone had better make heart-shaped grenades shortly or all the cultists are going to turn into daemon princes.

[Master_Baerne]

hey, I'm thinking about some "less then lethal" weapons tech. Is this too Sci-fi?

basically something simular to that sonic weapon used against the somali pirates, subsonics in a focused point type broadcast that interupts the sense of balance in the innerear creating nausia, and uncoordinated movements...

Sounds like techno to me.

[Mr Bean]

Someone had better make heart-shaped grenades shortly or all the cultists are going to turn into daemon princes.

No one cares about your Cultishs Zablorg, your country is a nuclear waste dump and your people are dead or talk show hosts.

[CmdrWilkens]

Note that Shroomania has had experience in outfitting vessels with anti-piracy armament and that while the FCS is a smaller vessel, it is much faster than the Wilkonian Container Transport. The FCS is great for inter-island shipping and sometimes, size isn't everything

Yep - we are an archipelago world, and that means shipping to anywhere has to go by sea or air. In this situation smaller transports are the best - they can move the goods to several ports in smaller portions, right where they are needed. On Earth, most shipping moves between giant ports, out of which trucks and trains distribute the goods (and distances are vastly greater).

None of which stops a ship capable of handling as much as 8-10 times as much as a FCS from loading up that and stopping at all those ports while picking up intermitent cargo as well. The size is indicative of the total cargo load. The more cargo which needs to go by sea from nation to nation the more efficient it is to have large vessels which can handle everything at once.

As an aside the Wilkonian ship (I'm still trying to get a good class name for it) is based around a slightly scaled down version of the Emma Maersk so it will do 25kn easily and cruise around 22kn.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Actually, one shouldn't discount intra-country shipping via smaller ships. They do have bunker vessels for that purpose.

[RogueIce]

I'm going to post the text of the Law of the Sea Treaty in the Alliances thread. As the Biological Weapons Ban was never put into any kind of formalized text, and is mentioned in Stas' Reference Thread I don't see the need to repeat it there.

If Stas would be so kind as to detail the specifics of the NSC in the Alliances Thread? That should get us caught up on the various major international agreements that have been made (so new players can easily find them, rather than slogging through everything already written).

[DarthShady]

Someone had better make heart-shaped grenades shortly or all the cultists are going to turn into daemon princes.

No one cares about your Cultishs Zablorg, your country is a nuclear waste dump and your people are dead or talk show hosts.

Zablorg keeps coming back. Are you addicted to this STGOD?

I know i am.

Yes for Canissia, the more ships we build, more money we make.

[Mr Bean]

Speaking of which, assuming I go with a local produced ship for what I have in mind what is a valid time-frame from test ships to production model.

Assume something along the lines of the FCS but 40% larger and the same speed goals.

[Shroom Man 777]

Damn, we need bigger ships!

I am sure designing a bigger ship would be easier if the UKB worked together with the ICSA. So we'd have the ACV, the FCS, and the 40% bigger same-speed ship. For outrageous fees!

Hey, it would help if you had veteran ship-builders helping out, they're well built and toned and ripped and buffed.

[K. A. Pital]

um... why do we need significantly bigger ships? a little bigger, yes. but really, the distance is fucking small between us, and supertankers and superbulkers are kinda pointless, when the aquatories are traversed fast.

in fact i find the size of FCS optimal

[DarthShady]

um... why do we need significantly bigger ships? a little bigger, yes. but really, the distance is fucking small between us, and supertankers and superbulkers are kinda pointless, when the aquatories are traversed fast.

in fact i find the size of FCS optimal

I agree with you, and we lose less if a smaller ship is attacked by pirates.

Guys what are we gonna do about these pirates? Stas do you have military ships you could sell me, for next year or now?

[K. A. Pital]

military ships?

What exactly do you want? We could build an CVN for you but you won't support that.

We can build small hydrofoil patrol ships and even a 550 kph WIG rocket cruiser with 6 "Moskito" ASMs, if you want one this would kill any pirate... and even kill a military ship if you can sneak on it

all for next year, but any Soviet ship you can have

[PeZook]

I agree with you, and we lose less if a smaller ship is attacked by pirates.

Guys what are we gonna do about these pirates? Stas do you have military ships you could sell me, for next year or now?

Well, all FCS ships are armed against pirates. Untill the Libertopians start using corvettes, they're pretty safe with a well-trained crew.

Of course, more active patrols would be a good thing. Thanks to our small distances and tight channels, simple commerce cutters should be good enough.

[DarthShady]

Stas

I want a navy, but i am not sure if i can afford it.

I want only Soviet ships. I guess for now i could order a few of those cruisers to keep the pirates at bay.

[Mr Bean]

Well, all FCS ships are armed against pirates. Untill the Libertopians start using corvettes, they're pretty safe with a well-trained crew.

Of course, more active patrols would be a good thing. Thanks to our small distances and tight channels, simple commerce cutters should be good enough.

They are armed against low-grade pirates, sea-going canoe types. PT boat types, mooks with guns and RPG-7's. Sooner or later considering the number of well armed nations out there, someone's going to get ahold of some serious anti-ship missiles. And the size of the FCS means that if they take a hit, they can't both provide active damage control crews AND run the ship AND fight of the pirates coming to raid the ship.

Of course they don't want to sink the ship they need to hit it. A basic Styx style Anti-ship-missile would not be that hard to produce if a nation with an intact arms complex and a willingness to sell to anyone with the right amount of money.

Such as from the Sultan or Lord of Liberatopia, such as people of terrorist ties in the Shadow Empire, such as people of purchasable loyalty in the Republic of Mangka or simple second hand economic warfare between countries. It would not be hard for any Tsardom or Imperium to get a dozen people togther, set them to the side as a deniable local producer for international pirates.

And lastly Darthshady no way in hell you can afford cruisers... maybe one for your flag-ship but at best your talking Destroyers and under.

*Edit, I take that back Darthshady considering the size of your country you'd be lucky to afford a Destroyer as your Flag ship, Frigates are all you can afford to operate without spending most of your military budget on them.

[Mr Bean]

Speaking of trade ships, here is what I'm aiming for in a purposed UKB Varient of the FCS.


Length: 92 meters(Width all increased to keep draft down)
Draft: 6.3 meters
Maximum speed: 32 knots
Cruising speed: 26 Knots (Aiming for a higher Fuel Efficient speed through efficiency upgrades to engine due to UKB research advantage)
Deadweight Tonnage: 19, 600
GPS based navigation, Satellite communication suite in addition to existing FCS civilian radar and short band ship to ship communication.
Cargo carried: containerized, palletized, loose. Easy to modify for liquids.
Standard Weapons Package:4x 20mm Oerlikon Cannons mounted on Fore, Aft, Portside centerline and Starboard Centerline. Single rear mounted Depth charge launcher holding 24 DC's to drive off or kill Mega fauna attacks.

All weapon positions are to be equipped with internal access so that a crew-man never be required to run across an exposed deck to get to his position. As well the guns will be elevated and equipped with optic sighting sufficient that if any one gun can engage a target, one other gun can as well. Due to small ship numbers all gun's be equipped with armor small arms fire up to .50cal MG's.

Optional: Mk 38 25mm Bushmaster Naval Variants set for 200 RPM fire in place of Oerlikon in standard package. All guns become remote friable from Bridge.