More power, and everlasting power, I note.Lonestar wrote:Less bang for the buck(power supply wise) than my ABWGs, I note.Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: Under OMSK, Byzantium is happy to offer some nuclear technology help. The Fast Breeder Reactor will be operational in 1-2 years which should yield 1600MW. We will offer one of these for 2 billion and you will not need too much uranium after the the reactor starts up, i.e. Plutonium economy.
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Really, Plutonium is more useful for weapons material(The Lone Star Republic recognizes the right of all nations to pursue nuclear weapons technology), and my ABWRs are perhaps a better "starter kit" for a country completely lacking in nuclear infrastructure. I also note that due to the small size of the Rail Republic, a couple of 1.3MW ABWRs would meet a significant amount of the energy demand for the foreseeable future.Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: More power, and everlasting power, I note.
I further note that due to the proximity of the Lone Star Republic to Redleader's nation, it would make the transport of material and construction go much easier and quicker(as Stas Bush has pointed out), and thus would come on line quicker. Also, as a Uranium exporter, the Lone Star Republic would not have any difficulty in rapidly acquiring the fuel needed for the reactors.
In short, for a nation like Redleader's, the SP&E 1.3MW ABWR is the ideal nuclear resource. Thank you and Gawd Bless.
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Still better in the long run. Produces more fissile material than it consumes.phongn wrote:IIRC, FBRs have generally all been a pain in the ass to run, and it ain't everlasting either
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True, but as I said to Mr. Bean, we've been here for less than 2 years so I'm running with what's available. Since the Lone Star Republic is basically Texas transported there, BWRs are the best known and understood. Pebble-Beds will be coming down the line, though.phongn wrote: BWRs also have inferior availability compared to PWRs.
Also, like I said to Fingolfin, for the requirements of the Rail Republic a pair of 1.3MW ABWRs would be more than acceptable.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
Er, PWRs are well-known, too. Stas is pimping the VVER design, and I'll probably be offering the APWR.Lonestar wrote:True, but as I said to Mr. Bean, we've been here for less than 2 years so I'm running with what's available. Since the Lone Star Republic is basically Texas transported there, BWRs are the best known and understood. Pebble-Beds will be coming down the line, though.
Plus, there's also the GE ESBWR design if you want to have the latest BWR
Presumably you mean 1.3GW?Also, like I said to Fingolfin, for the requirements of the Rail Republic a pair of 1.3MW ABWRs would be more than acceptable.
He has a quarter million people. Is his country even going to be able to afford to operate a highly-complicated liquid-sodium reactor? I mean, if his country is comparable to Iceland, he'll only need something like 1-2GWe, and what happens during the inevitable downtime?Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Still better in the long run. Produces more fissile material than it consumes.
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I think a good counter would be some combat-unicycle midgets with suicide vests. But that's just me.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Yup.phongn wrote: Presumably you mean 1.3GW?
As for the GE ESBWR, I recommend you take a look at my last post in the STGOD thread.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
I am aware that the delay can be even greater in the case of satellite to satellite or no ground station in range. I can't pretend to invent super-routing protocols and don't know off hand how good our protocols are atm. It's something to invest money in.phongn wrote:That assumes you don't have to bounce the signal from satellite-to-satellite to reach the ground station gateway, and then there's latency from there to the destination. Then there's the processing delay on the satellite, and routing concerns. According to a 1998 IEEE paper on the system, actual latency for voice was 270-390ms; latency for data could reach as high as 1700 ms. A USN study indicated that latencies around 1300 ms for data were common.Mr Bean wrote:OAN these Internet satellites are what I aim for true global internet. At 1,400 km you can still get good pings(Only 60ms delays) unlike GEO satellites which have 350ms delays.
When I say 60m vs 350m I was referring to the minimum physical demanded by physics that says the speed of light is only so fast. So a Geo Satellite will always have a minimum delay of 350 mil secs while a LEO sat will always have a 60 mil sec delay.
I'm not expecting this satellite network to be better than all ground internet connections. But the simple fact is I'm aiming to set a very high bar as far as connection speeds go.
I don't expect New-Earth to feature people hoping on line to play Neo-World of Warcraft and pinging 75 all across the world on a satellite connect. I simply aim to knock the 3 second delay off communications.
50 years is 50 years. And until we are talking holo-technology 11mb is plenty of bandwidth for civilians. Like I said my cost over-runs come from survivability and the cost shoot-up once you go beyond a Proton-M's cheap cost to put something into orbit. From 4 million a rocket to 80 to 120 million is a jump to say the least.phongn wrote:Bah, SCC is doing it for less than half the cost you are, and in 780 km orbit! It also means we can carry mobile voice traffic much more easilyBut of course the cost of this system is going to be close to 15 billion, not pretty, not pretty at all, lucky I have still a 200 billion dollar budget for my space program. And we've not even gotten into robots to the moon!
But the trade-off is I get satellites that won't die to anything but a freak debris hit or EMP effect nukes, or a giant laser of some kind.
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IT IS DONE. The Lone Star Republic has made it official in regards to it's Nuclear Weapons Program.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
A thought came to me today as I was writing up my special forces unit. Aside from needing to write up my official army structor, how did the RAR handle ethnic groups. Some people have aimed at one group of people, and I've written Liberatopia as if it's the Balkans with Turkey tacked on. While Saddamastain is clearly Saddaminites.
But what do you see your countries ethic make-up being?
My own I see the UKB as being a cross section, Outer-Heavan looks like a mix of San Franisco and San-Diego, White, Black, Chinese, little slices of everything minus the Mexicans, Not a dis to the mexican's but I see them more along the shores of Liberty City, more South American than Mexican with the Nordic people up near the old volcano/island. With various mixs around the rest of the island.
But what do you see your countries ethic make-up being?
My own I see the UKB as being a cross section, Outer-Heavan looks like a mix of San Franisco and San-Diego, White, Black, Chinese, little slices of everything minus the Mexicans, Not a dis to the mexican's but I see them more along the shores of Liberty City, more South American than Mexican with the Nordic people up near the old volcano/island. With various mixs around the rest of the island.
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Byzantium is largely Greek, Latin, Thracian and possibly even some traces of German, and some Turkish, Bulgarian... well, just about any race that happened into old Anatolia, and Greece itself.
But most of all, we view ourselves as Roman.
But most of all, we view ourselves as Roman.
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Let it be known that I want to make this
The Tu-2000 hypersonic space scramjet.
10 billion. 10 years.
Fully returnable spacecraft without a rocket. A transportation revolution in the making
Well, that aside, it will be cost-effective even if you only have 1 such craft and run it at less than $10 million per launch - the tempo can reach 20-25 launches per year, and it can lift up to 10 tons into orbit. This opens the path to rapid in-orbit spacecraft assembly, which is necessary for space colonization.
I'd like to see what other space agencies have in mind for interplanetary craft construction. We're a long way from even Mir-type habitats, but at least this craft, if built simultaneously with advancing space stations, can later give us the power to lift some 200-250 tons into orbit for less than $100 million over the course of one year.
The alternative is the now-made Vulcan-Energia, which is admittedly very cost-efficient and can lift 175 ton payloads in one launch, which would probably cost around $150 million (basing on the Energia's simple launch cost of $100-130 million). Admittedly, it's faster and easier.
But the scramjet, I want that and it... uh... offers unique military capabilities not offered by an Energia rocket
1 billion a year, if no one's up for a joint development, I'm still making it!
The Tu-2000 hypersonic space scramjet.
10 billion. 10 years.
Fully returnable spacecraft without a rocket. A transportation revolution in the making
Well, that aside, it will be cost-effective even if you only have 1 such craft and run it at less than $10 million per launch - the tempo can reach 20-25 launches per year, and it can lift up to 10 tons into orbit. This opens the path to rapid in-orbit spacecraft assembly, which is necessary for space colonization.
I'd like to see what other space agencies have in mind for interplanetary craft construction. We're a long way from even Mir-type habitats, but at least this craft, if built simultaneously with advancing space stations, can later give us the power to lift some 200-250 tons into orbit for less than $100 million over the course of one year.
The alternative is the now-made Vulcan-Energia, which is admittedly very cost-efficient and can lift 175 ton payloads in one launch, which would probably cost around $150 million (basing on the Energia's simple launch cost of $100-130 million). Admittedly, it's faster and easier.
But the scramjet, I want that and it... uh... offers unique military capabilities not offered by an Energia rocket
1 billion a year, if no one's up for a joint development, I'm still making it!
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You know, Stas using a spaceplane seems like a roundabout way to gain ASAT capability
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We already have a spaceplane but it's small and rocket launched, with 1960 tech. And it can kill LEO satellites with space-to-space missiles if necessary (in the 170-900km range).
But, this is the 1990/2000 tech, and only parts of the plane testbed have been completed. There are still 10 years of estimated R&D and construction until the first mega-scramjet takes off.
This, aside from the fact it's god damn beautiful
will also be my Air/Space Force One once complete. The T-4-100 is an awesome 1960 craft, and one actually built and working, but this is far superior!
But, this is the 1990/2000 tech, and only parts of the plane testbed have been completed. There are still 10 years of estimated R&D and construction until the first mega-scramjet takes off.
This, aside from the fact it's god damn beautiful
will also be my Air/Space Force One once complete. The T-4-100 is an awesome 1960 craft, and one actually built and working, but this is far superior!
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I think it's a stupid and unneeded addition.The Yosemite Bear wrote:BTW how do you like the primatives?
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The People's Republic of Canissia is a lot like Spain, I imagine, predominantly with "darker" Whites and a lot of North African/Middle Eastern influences as well. Technically all ethnic groupos are present, but in minority.
The RAR mentioned religion in watered-down forms that no one really gets worked up about, so I assumed that religion as a social fracture point is largely a non-issue. No mention was made of race & ethnicity, so I suppose that is a potential trouble spot. With so many multi-ethnic societies, though, it would take some serious agitation to stir that pot.
That leaves "class" as a social flashpoint, the haves and have-nots.
The RAR mentioned religion in watered-down forms that no one really gets worked up about, so I assumed that religion as a social fracture point is largely a non-issue. No mention was made of race & ethnicity, so I suppose that is a potential trouble spot. With so many multi-ethnic societies, though, it would take some serious agitation to stir that pot.
That leaves "class" as a social flashpoint, the haves and have-nots.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!