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the Little Golden Book of Plastic Surgery

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It had to happen, I suppose: "My Beautiful Mommy" on Newsweek's site is a children's book explaining plastic surgery.

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What's the market for a children's picture book about moms getting cosmetic surgery? No one specifically tracks the number of tummy-tuck-and-breast-implant combos (or "mommy makeovers," as they're called), but according to the latest numbers from the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, breast augmentation was the most popular cosmetic surgery procedure last year, with 348,000 performed (up 6 percent over 2006). Of those, about one-third were for women over 40 who often opt for implants to restore lost volume in their breasts due to aging or pregnancy weight gain. There were 148,000 tummy tucks—up 1 percent from the previous year.

Salzhauer got the idea for a book after noticing that women were coming into his office with their kids in tow. He says that mysterious doctor's visits can be frightening for children. "Parents generally tend to go into this denial thing. They just try to ignore the kids' questions completely." But, he adds, children "fill in the blanks in their imagination" and then feel worse when they see "mommy with bandages," he says. "With the tummy tucks, [the mothers] can't lift anything. They're in bed. The kids have questions."
Berger doesn't want to come across as anti-cosmetic surgery, but she notes that it can be difficult for small kids to understand. "The younger the child, the more mysterious and potentially hurtful the mother's absence, or mother being out of commission, or mother looking like she's been beaten up, will be," she says. Small children are "concrete" and "sensible" and think "you go to a doctor because you're hurt or sick," she says.
How... odd. I suppose it makes sense, of course, but it just seems to me, more and more, that we are (as a society) relying more on books or "experts" to interlocute between parents and kids... at most I can see a children's book dealing with gender (especially a single parent with a child of the opposite sex) or maybe something like death & dying, but can't parents even sit down and talk to their kids about this?

Are parents just ducking kids' questions in general? What do they talk about, if not real issues?
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And you say this based on your vast experience in child-raising, I presume?

It's easier to talk to a child about something when you have various forms of assistance, such as books. Especially if that subject is a potentially sensitive one. Do you really think parents give their child a book and say "OK Junior, read this and don't talk to me"?
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The book seems like a reasonable idea, but the cover art gives me the willies.
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Darth Wong wrote:And you say this based on your vast experience in child-raising, I presume?
No, that's why I'm asking.
It's easier to talk to a child about something when you have various forms of assistance, such as books. Especially if that subject is a potentially sensitive one. Do you really think parents give their child a book and say "OK Junior, read this and don't talk to me"?
Doesn't it happen with a lot of parents, kids and TV/Videogames? "Mom's busy, here, watch cartoons and leave me alone". Not all, of course, but frequently enough?

It just seems odd to me that plastic surgery would be a "sensitive" subject. The reaction of the parents as described in the article didn't make sense-- that the kids were left out of the loop and had no context to understand their parent's abscence, or their appearance afterwards. If you decided to get plastic surgery for some reason-- for personal cosmetic reasons, not to repair an injury-- would it be a difficult subject?

I'm not asking this as rhetoric, I'm seriously wondering why it would be difficult to talk to kids about it in the first place. It doesn't strike me as being in the same league as "why Grampa had to go in the bye-bye box" or something like that.
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Coyote wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:And you say this based on your vast experience in child-raising, I presume?
No, that's why I'm asking.
That was a pretty damned loaded question for someone with no opinion, then.
It's easier to talk to a child about something when you have various forms of assistance, such as books. Especially if that subject is a potentially sensitive one. Do you really think parents give their child a book and say "OK Junior, read this and don't talk to me"?
Doesn't it happen with a lot of parents, kids and TV/Videogames? "Mom's busy, here, watch cartoons and leave me alone". Not all, of course, but frequently enough?
Red-herring. Those are distractions, not parents attempting to explain something to their children.
It just seems odd to me that plastic surgery would be a "sensitive" subject. The reaction of the parents as described in the article didn't make sense-- that the kids were left out of the loop and had no context to understand their parent's abscence, or their appearance afterwards. If you decided to get plastic surgery for some reason-- for personal cosmetic reasons, not to repair an injury-- would it be a difficult subject?

I'm not asking this as rhetoric, I'm seriously wondering why it would be difficult to talk to kids about it in the first place. It doesn't strike me as being in the same league as "why Grampa had to go in the bye-bye box" or something like that.
Do you not know women? Not all women are like some kind of Hollywood bimbo stereotype where they proudly brag about having plastic surgery. A lot of women are going to be sensitive about that kind of thing, even with their own spouses or children. It's like discussing sex; it's not the kids who are uncomfortable with the discussion; it's the parents.
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Right, and its not as if a lot of these women are looking to be some stripper or covergirl, time and pregnancy takes its toll, and people want to remain attractive. If they have the money and are conscious of the risks, its their choice. I think a lot of men are excessively dismissive of the pressure socially women feel to be attractive and how this manifests in plastic surgery et al. Its real easy to say when we get distinguished or something as we get older and society never pressured us on those grounds. And of course, never poke one of these men on the back and ask them for what purpose they bought those aviators to go with their new sportscar. Couldn't possibly be their gender equivalent vanity. Nope.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:And of course, never poke one of these men on the back and ask them for what purpose they bought those aviators to go with their new sportscar. Couldn't possibly be their gender equivalent vanity. Nope.
Well, I may be the exception to the rule, but should I ever buy a sports car or aviators, it will be because I like the looks of them.

Mind you, I can't imagine I ever would be buying a sports car, even if I did have the money. Such a waste...
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Yeah, and WHY do you like the way you look or it looks? You don't think chicks think those new pair of big fake tits look good? My whole point was that its an arbitrary double-standard.
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