[ZP on SSBB] I could not agree more.

[weemadando]

There are too many rocks to throw. So I'll just dump the boulder...

Bioshock.

[weemadando]

'Agreeing with the gripes' in reviews that are now at worst neutral? You've played Condemned 2. He's supposed to be 'harsh' and 'griping'. He didn't even mention BEATING ALCOHOLISM TO DEATH WITH A BANNISTER. :lol:

Regardless, if people can't seen a strong trend towards moderation, that stuns me. Watch the Halo3 and Bioshock reviews again.

In Condemned 2 I was too busy (as you well know) bitching about the fucking oil-slick demons...

I look at ZP as a collection of gripes rather than a review, and usually I can agree with about 1/4-1/2 of them. Plus, it's not like he isn't taking easy shots - how hard is it really to wail on SSBB or Condemned 2 if you want to?

[Stark]

You know, all this criticism makes me think.. when was the last time an Aussie made a good game anyway?

*dodges rocks*

Idiots make me think, what's your fucking point? Oh wait I forgot everything made in America is a reflection of Americans!

Fucking oil-slick bullshit. He mentioned that it ruined the premise of Condemned in such ways, but it really didn't seem to bother him until the HL2 ending. How is he 'harsh' or 'griping' if he's not even as harsh as you? How is this not a moderation after his early reviews?

I don't have anything against Yahtzee (aside from the declining quality, but hey, once a week will do that), but rather the idiots who cover the internet (seriously, he has fanboys) who claim he's a 'tough reviewer' and love his 'hilarious' 'cutting' 'reviews'. The 'goes to Valve' -> 'is far easier on big-name titles' thing just amuses me.

[Ohma]

Regardless, if people can't seen a strong trend towards moderation, that stuns me. Watch the Halo3 and Bioshock reviews again.

Indeed, while he is still occasionally funny/witty, and occasionally lets loose a bit of biting commentary about games in general, he's really kind of obviously shifted his tone from "I hate this bullshitty thing in games/about gamers joke about thing" to "I don't like this thing but other people might hey gay/hooker joke LOL!" which of course flies completely under the radar since the majority of the gamer community online are racist, homophobic, misogynist pricks.

[Darth Onasi]

There are too many rocks to throw. So I'll just dump the boulder...

Bioshock.

That's Australian made?

...

... my point stands.

You know, all this criticism makes me think.. when was the last time an Aussie made a good game anyway?

*dodges rocks*

Idiots make me think, what's your fucking point? Oh wait I forgot everything made in America is a reflection of Americans!

No, but if you ask me know-it-all assholes like this guy could try and produce a game of their own instead of armchair criticising to get attention.

[Stark]

That's Australian made?

...

... my point stands.

And just what is your point, you little cockface?

No, but if you ask me know-it-all assholes like this guy could try and produce a game of their own instead of armchair criticising to get attention.

Why? Are you fucking retarded? Should movie critics try to make a fucking movie instead of DOING THEIR FUCKING JOBS and critiquing movies? Don't be absurd. Oh no, you didn't like his attitude and you now irrationally demand he make a game... EVEN THOUGH HE ALREADY HAS.

Ignorant fucknuggets like you are what keep people like me going. Remember, guys, if you can't make a car, you can't say anything bad about a car! Don't get an attitude or it'll be demanded that since your nation doesn't produce something you can't describe it's characteristics!

Oh wait, Pandemic is based in Brisbane. Whoops. So in short, AU produces games (although this is irrelevant) and Yahtzee also produces games (although this is irrelevant). What a shitgoblin.

[Vendetta]

No, but if you ask me know-it-all assholes like this guy could try and produce a game of their own instead of armchair criticising to get attention.

He does.

[Stark]

Beat you!

[Vendetta]

Yeah, but I made my text all linky and blue.

[Darth Onasi]

And just what is your point, you little cockface?

That Bioshock is an overrated shitstain on society's undergarments? I'd thought that was clear enough.
And before you say I'm a hypocrite for criticising, I'm not against criticism or reviews.. as long as they have a fucking point and not a video of some moron's verbal masturbation about games he personally doesn't like.

Why? Are you fucking retarded? Should movie critics try to make a fucking movie instead of DOING THEIR FUCKING JOBS and critiquing movies? Don't be absurd. Oh no, you didn't like his attitude and you now irrationally demand he make a game... EVEN THOUGH HE ALREADY HAS.

Ignorant fucknuggets like you are what keep people like me going. Remember, guys, if you can't make a car, you can't say anything bad about a car! Don't get an attitude or it'll be demanded that since your nation doesn't produce something you can't describe it's characteristics!

Well you see, it helps if the critic demonstrates that he knows what he's fucking talking about instead of "WAAAAH I CAN'T PLAY AZ SNAKE IN SSBB RIGHT AWAY I'M TELLING MY MOM!"

Oh wait, Pandemic is based in Brisbane. Whoops. So in short, AU produces games (although this is irrelevant) and Yahtzee also produces games (although this is irrelevant). What a shitgoblin.

Only Pandemic game I've played was SW Battlefront II, and I hated it. I notice from their site that every single other game of theirs is a boring shoot 'em up. At least games like SSBB try to be fun and unique without playing follow-the-leader like every fucking FPS and shooter has since the dawn of time.

No, but if you ask me know-it-all assholes like this guy could try and produce a game of their own instead of armchair criticising to get attention.

He does.

Okay, I stand corrected. However, sub-Atari stuff like that hardly compares.

[Losonti Tokash]

Oh wait, Pandemic is based in Brisbane. Whoops. So in short, AU produces games (although this is irrelevant) and Yahtzee also produces games (although this is irrelevant). What a shitgoblin.

Only Pandemic game I've played was SW Battlefront II, and I hated it. I notice from their site that every single other game of theirs is a boring shoot 'em up. At least games like SSBB try to be fun and unique without playing follow-the-leader like every fucking FPS and shooter has since the dawn of time.

You're right, Pandemic never made games like Mercenaries (with a Metacriticscore of 86).

Or Destroy All Humans. Nothing but derivative crap. With a score of 76.

And Full Spectrum Warrior? My god that was the most boring shooter ever. except that it wasn't a fucking shooter. Score of 84, for reference.

Honestly, what the fuck is your point? Not only are you proving him right about the drooling fanboys getting their panties in a twist, you don't even make sense. You don't like what a British man living in Australia says about your favoritest game ever, so you try to make the entire country of Australia look bad?

[Darth Onasi]

You're right, Pandemic never made games like Mercenaries (with a Metacriticscore of 86).

Or Destroy All Humans. Nothing but derivative crap. With a score of 76.

And Full Spectrum Warrior? My god that was the most boring shooter ever. except that it wasn't a fucking shooter. Score of 84, for reference.

All games that appeal to me about as much as a suplhuric acid enema.

Honestly, what the fuck is your point? Not only are you proving him right about the drooling fanboys getting their panties in a twist, you don't even make sense. You don't like what a British man living in Australia says about your favoritest game ever, so you try to make the entire country of Australia look bad?

Ironic, since the original comment about Aussies was meant in jest, and was responded to by others getting their panties in a twist about it.
It just so happens that the games mentioned to counter that post are games I personally detest. So I made personally motivated, biased comments against them. Just like someone else we know.

Also, SSBB is not my favourite game. It has it's flaws, and big ones, and isn't the goddamn messiah like some think it is.
What annoys me is this moron making nonsensical arguments about a game belonging to a genre he doesn't even like because his self-inflated ego compells him to play it and bash it anyway.
Besides, if you make fun of the Wii's name, it exposes the fact that you have the maturity of a 3 year old.

[weemadando]

Honestly, what the fuck is your point? Not only are you proving him right about the drooling fanboys getting their panties in a twist, you don't even make sense. You don't like what a British man living in Australia says about your favoritest game ever, so you try to make the entire country of Australia look bad?

Don't try to argue it - he's got a fucking Final Fantasy avatar. That should say all we need to know about the fanboy status, pantie-twisted or otherwise.

[Darth Onasi]

Honestly, what the fuck is your point? Not only are you proving him right about the drooling fanboys getting their panties in a twist, you don't even make sense. You don't like what a British man living in Australia says about your favoritest game ever, so you try to make the entire country of Australia look bad?

Don't try to argue it - he's got a fucking Final Fantasy avatar. That should say all we need to know about the fanboy status, pantie-twisted or otherwise.

Avatar bashing? Oh you've got me now! I can't beat that logic!

[Hotfoot]

Avatar bashing? Oh you've got me now! I can't beat that logic!

An avatar is how you choose to express yourself on the forums. Like it or not, impressions matter. Now it MIGHT not be true that you're a rabid jRPG fanboy, but the fact that you've dismissed several games that were inventive, well-reviewed, and generally positive contributions to the gaming industry, all to counterpoint the retarded comment you made earlier about Oz's lack of contribution to the gaming industry doesn't exactly endear you as someone who thinks logically. Your avatar, meanwhile gives a distinct impression of what sorts of things you do like, and let's face it, rabid FF fankids are something of a pest.

Remember, just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean it's not good. Go on, name your favorite game. I'm sure there will be someone here who at the very least dislikes it. That doesn't mean it's not a good game.

[Resinence]

I can't believe after all of the total war threads/convo's that happen around here that no one mentioned the total war series is made by Creative Assembly an australian company. Even though this entire red herring is irrelevant due to the fact that almost zero large developers have one single office in one single country.

[Darth Onasi]

Avatar bashing? Oh you've got me now! I can't beat that logic!

An avatar is how you choose to express yourself on the forums. Like it or not, impressions matter. Now it MIGHT not be true that you're a rabid jRPG fanboy, but the fact that you've dismissed several games that were inventive, well-reviewed, and generally positive contributions to the gaming industry, all to counterpoint the retarded comment you made earlier about Oz's lack of contribution to the gaming industry doesn't exactly endear you as someone who thinks logically. Your avatar, meanwhile gives a distinct impression of what sorts of things you do like, and let's face it, rabid FF fankids are something of a pest.

Still a bit of a tagent though, isn't it? Hell for all you guys know I hate Final Fantasy and just think the guy in my avatar is sexy.

Remember, just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean it's not good.

That's kind of been my point all along.

Go on, name your favorite game. I'm sure there will be someone here who at the very least dislikes it. That doesn't mean it's not a good game.

Arcanum. And plenty people have bashed it, some have good reasons to.
Some might have something personal against it, and they're just annoying. Like my opinion on Bioshock may be. Like the asshole Yutzee or whatever the hell he's called is. But at least I don't make videos were I talk like I'm high on pep pills.

[Civil War Man]

What annoys me is this moron making nonsensical arguments about a game belonging to a genre he doesn't even like because his self-inflated ego compells him to play it and bash it anyway.
Besides, if you make fun of the Wii's name, it exposes the fact that you have the maturity of a 3 year old.

His ego, plus the fact that he's getting paid to review games.

I did pick up some legitimate criticisms. Namely, forcing people to unlock multiplayer game content in single-player mode, the platforming in Subspace Emissary being repetative, Nintendo rehashing their franchises to the point of chafing, and button-mashing being about as effective as putting actual effort into a fighting game. (also, being a graduate from an engineering school, I know several "that guy"s, and they tend to become complete douchebags when whatever they are "that guy" about comes up) Plus, from previous reviews, he definitely was spot-on about the Wii having a lot of gimmicky bullshit, in that most of the games (including Brawl) are better when using a Gamecube controller (which thankfully the Wii supports).

As for making fun of the Wii's name, I don't get worked up about it because Wii is a really stupid name. Calling the controller a Wiimote doesn't make it any better. I still call it a Wii controller because Wiimote is one of those words I've grown to despise (and by "grown to", I mean "always").

[Darth Onasi]

His ego, plus the fact that he's getting paid to review games.

He's paid for that irrelevant drivel? Well, in a world of TV evangelists and Yuri Geller, it shouldn't be surprising.

I did pick up some legitimate criticisms. Namely, forcing people to unlock multiplayer game content in single-player mode,

I really don't see the issue with this, you shouldn't be jumping into multiplayer right away in a game like this anyhow.
As for the other stuff, a few good points in a miasma of shit really don't save him. You can find genuine flaws in any game; that doesn't excuse his long winded and pointless rants about not liking fighting games and not being able to select Snake right away.

As for making fun of the Wii's name, I don't get worked up about it because Wii is a really stupid name. Calling the controller a Wiimote doesn't make it any better. I still call it a Wii controller because Wiimote is one of those words I've grown to despise (and by "grown to", I mean "always").

I don't care for the Wii's name myself. But there comes a time when you have to say "okay, the Wii's a silly name. Get the fuck over it." That people are still going "lolz you like this game you must think the Wii is a cool name too cause Wii sounds like.. hur hur hur.." is just.. sad.

[Hotfoot]

Still a bit of a tagent though, isn't it? Hell for all you guys know I hate Final Fantasy and just think the guy in my avatar is sexy.

Less likely. The fact that you mention Gackt in your location doesn't help things much.

That's kind of been my point all along.

Odd way of painting a point, you know, by making the opposite arguments. Perhaps you should explain yourself.

Arcanum. And plenty people have bashed it, some have good reasons to.
Some might have something personal against it, and they're just annoying. Like my opinion on Bioshock may be. Like the asshole Yutzee or whatever the hell he's called is. But at least I don't make videos were I talk like I'm high on pep pills.

Okay, so you don't like his presentation, whatever. What's wrong with pointing out the flaws in games? Even if some of them are overblown, or he ignores some in the games he likes, etc.?

I mean, I'm sort of missing your point. You seem to go from "Yahtzee is an asshole" to "since when did Australia make good games?" to "Fuck all the games made in Australia" to "Oh sure they might be good games, but I don't care." to "I don't like Yahtzee's presentation" and "People shouldn't include opinions in reviews".

I usually find his reviews funny, even though they're not real reviews, and some are just totally off the mark. However, he does touch on some things that are commonly missed by other reviewing sources, and can be useful in determining if a game is worthwhile or not. I was about ready to look into getting Condemned until I watched his review and decided against it, moving the game down to a low priority rental category instead.

So I'm lost here, are you talking about the validity of opinions? Are you for or against them? For or against airing them? Are you talking about the validity of Australia's games in the gaming industry, or if someone who reviews games should be forced to make them before they can critique them?

By the way, what's up with that? Does Consumer Reports make a single damn thing? No, but they're still one of the most valuable resources for determining what products to buy.

[Stark]

That Bioshock is an overrated shitstain on society's undergarments? I'd thought that was clear enough.
And before you say I'm a hypocrite for criticising, I'm not against criticism or reviews.. as long as they have a fucking point and not a video of some moron's verbal masturbation about games he personally doesn't like.

No, dumbass. Your original point was 'lol how many games has Australia made', as if they need to do so to have a right to criticism. I hear you've now changed this to not liking 'verbal masturbation', which apparently means 'criticising things I like'. You'll notice I don't like Yahtzee's reviews, but I can be objective about him, and I like SSBB but I can be objective about it's flaws also.

Oh wow, you criticise Bioshock. Welcome to six months ago, is it sunny there?

Well you see, it helps if the critic demonstrates that he knows what he's fucking talking about instead of "WAAAAH I CAN'T PLAY AZ SNAKE IN SSBB RIGHT AWAY I'M TELLING MY MOM!"

What? Everything you've said has been irrelevant or simply wrong. 'A critic' (by which you mean 'Australia') has to 'demonstrate that he knows what he's fucking talking about' (by which you said 'make games') to avoid being characterised as shrill and useless. Oh no, forced unlocks being a bone of contention between casual and more serious players! CLEARLY AN INVALID CRITICISM!

Only Pandemic game I've played was SW Battlefront II, and I hated it. I notice from their site that every single other game of theirs is a boring shoot 'em up. At least games like SSBB try to be fun and unique without playing follow-the-leader like every fucking FPS and shooter has since the dawn of time.

So what, you little fuckass? I hate all Pandemic games too, but you said 'how many games has Australia made' because you're fucking ignorant. Exactly how many games should a nation make before anyone currently resident there is able to criticise games?

Wait, you probably can't hear me from up on your hobby horse. I'll wait for you to get down.

Okay, I stand corrected. However, sub-Atari stuff like that hardly compares.

Move the goalposts a bit more, please, they're still within sight. Clearly, he has no right to criticism until he's made a multi-million dollar game THAT YOU PERSONALLY LIKE.

I think it's funny that some of our lamer members have had me defending things I don't like recently. Needs more lying and ignorance! Critics are inherently evil unless he agrees with them!