nBSG Episode 404: "Escape Velocity"

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2008-04-26 12:30pm

SylasGaunt wrote:Rosalyn letting him know she's getting less and less inclined to put up with his bullshit was creepy in its own way though.

Yeah, in a lot of ways, that was more creepy than her interrogation of him from "Taking a Break from All Your Worries" last season. It's interesting to compare the Roslin of this final season to the Roslin of the mini-series and Season 1 and seeing how she increasingly has little left to lose...

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2008-04-26 12:43pm

OK, I liked this episode, but it a whole episode not needed. They could have included these scenes in future episodes, and the past episode while extending the Natalie vs. Cavil subplot.

Things I liked, Tyrol's characterization. He stuck fairly true to his character, at first going back to things he knew, aka repairing ships on the flight deck. To wanting some conformation that he was not perfect, and wanted people to point that out. Then the speech about marrying Cally because she was there, not because he truly loved her. (She proposed to him, he was always away at the bar, she liked him for a long time, he still had a thing for Boomer.) And last him trying to get thrown off the ship because he did not trust himself.

The Tigh/six thing was weird. They should have started their little talks a couiple episodes a go.

Glad Racetrack survived.

Like the Adama/Roslin relationship.

Good episode, but drug out way to long for what it was.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-04-26 03:40pm

Man, either Head Six is one Hell of a hallucination to get Baltar to move himself like that, or she is indeed some kind of real force that was actually lifting his ass up off the ground.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2008-04-26 04:35pm

RogueIce wrote:Man, either Head Six is one Hell of a hallucination to get Baltar to move himself like that, or she is indeed some kind of real force that was actually lifting his ass up off the ground.

Well she's done stuff like it before; remember when she smashed his head into a mirror?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2008-04-26 05:46pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
RogueIce wrote:Man, either Head Six is one Hell of a hallucination to get Baltar to move himself like that, or she is indeed some kind of real force that was actually lifting his ass up off the ground.
Well she's done stuff like it before; remember when she smashed his head into a mirror?

Or when she was helping him to hang himself back in "Taking a Break from All Your Worries".

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2008-04-26 06:48pm

God, Battlestar Livejournal is just fucking dragging its ass. They must be practicing for when they get around to making the real soap-opera (that "Caprica" spinoff that's been mentioned a few times).

Poor Lee Adama. You get to be Moore's standard-bearer for Truth Justice And The Democratic Way. I like the way Roslin handled him, though; "hey if you guys want to override me, that's cool, have fun when shit really hits the fan".

Whatever. I'm basically watching this because I want to see how the series unfolds and ends. I doubt this will be a series that I re-watch often.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-04-26 07:24pm

JLTucker wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:I love the hallucinations, including head sharon, and tyrol vs. adama
Can someone remind me where head Sharon made an appearance? Because I remember no such thing.

after Baltar got the shit beaten out of him, Appolo comes in says stand down soldier, Baltar goes into his harem, and head Sharon is leaning against the wall. unless Athena has joined his cult?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2008-04-26 08:03pm

Like Skylon said on the first page, that's Tori standing next to Head Six, not a virtual Number 8.

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2008-04-26 09:23pm

Bladed_Crescent wrote:
When Racetrack's Raptor went out of control my first reaction was "Not again!" as this happened late last season and she and Skulls punched out. Can we avoid this for the rest of the season now?
Pretty soon they're just going to stop giving Racetrack Raptors. She lost the one in Dirty Hands, had a bomb go off in another in The Son Also Rises and now this. I think she's got the O'Neill Curse.

That's what I was thinking as well. Don't forget she was riding along when Boomer snapped, and she found New Caprica. They'd better ground her before she jumps once and ends up in front of the Death Star or something.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-04-26 09:27pm

hey we've found earth!

"Commence Primary Ignition"

Elessar · Post by **Elessar** » 2008-04-27 01:49am

I found this episode to be entertaining and satisfying, but it loses a lot when you go back and analyse. Really, the same faults continue to plague the writers. Battlestar Livejournal indeed...

As for all the subplots to drop, Cylon Civil War and Starbuck's Crazy Circus? What a terrible decision by the director. I guess the writers were under too much pressure and couldn't spread out the Tigh subplot into multiple episodes. Instead of giving us condensed Starbuck-angst in one, and then condensed Tigh-angst.

Either the writers need to learn how to pace, or they're going to have to extend these episodes into two-hour marathons. Maybe then we'll get a good mix of story and characters instead of the current crap.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2008-04-27 04:43am

Tyrol: good career move buddy.

Callandra... Finally those of us who hold a candle have the full name to put on it

I hope they keep having eps like this just so they can have an orgazmatronic VFX budget to finish up with

FSTargetDrone · Post by **FSTargetDrone** » 2008-04-27 04:55pm

I'm not so sure that what Tyrol said to Adama in the bar about Cally were his true feelings. I think he honestly cared for her, if not necessarily being in love with her, but he's gone through so much (learning he is a Cylon, for one), he may also be feeling guilty at her death while simultaneously being angry at her for dying. He was trying to do the right thing, telling her he was going to try to be around more, etc., in the last episode.

By the way, was it called a "suicide"? Unless I missed it, there was no explanation of her death. Part of what Adama was saying to Tyrol seemed to be heading in the direction of a suicide, but that was blended with Tyrol's imagination of what Adama was saying about Tyrol being a Cylon.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2008-04-27 05:11pm

consequences wrote:Am I the only one who caught the Mithras reference and its significance?

No, no you're not.

As for the rest of the episode, the first twenty minutes were somewhat...meh.
There were stellar performances, especially by Douglas, Callis and Helfer, though sadly due to the overuse of angst this epsiode they seemed to get lost.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2008-04-27 05:24pm

JME2 wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
RogueIce wrote:Man, either Head Six is one Hell of a hallucination to get Baltar to move himself like that, or she is indeed some kind of real force that was actually lifting his ass up off the ground.
Well she's done stuff like it before; remember when she smashed his head into a mirror?
Or when she was helping him to hang himself back in "Taking a Break from All Your Worries".

Or when she was moving that chair during that season two episode where she and Baltar talk about Hera.

Roslin scares me.

Oh, and Tigh projecting Ellen unto Caprica was creepy.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2008-04-27 06:52pm

Definately creepy. The juxtaposition hurt my eyes.

Braedley · Post by **Braedley** » 2008-04-28 01:11am

3 from me.

Hopefully next week will be better. I found this episode to be rather slow and, well, boring. Perhaps that has something to do with me not usually watching with commercials, but still.

Braedley · Post by **Braedley** » 2008-04-28 01:12am

Ghetto edit: that should be without commercials. It's late, please forgive me.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2008-04-28 04:57am

Raptors have avionics from the 60's apparently.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2008-04-28 05:16am

Found out that Olmos directed this episode.

I should have known, since the ep was full of great character moments.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2008-04-28 08:05am

Nephtys wrote:Raptors have avionics from the 60's apparently.

Don't forget! The Uber Cylon Hackers make any and all advanced computer technology...like that you would need for space warships and fighters, utterly useless or something!

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2008-04-28 01:46pm

Thanas wrote:
consequences wrote:Am I the only one who caught the Mithras reference and its significance?
No, no you're not.

Indulge me, wasn't Mithras the proto-Jesus myth?

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2008-04-28 02:39pm

Crown wrote:
Thanas wrote:
consequences wrote:Am I the only one who caught the Mithras reference and its significance?
No, no you're not.
Indulge me, wasn't Mithras the proto-Jesus myth?

Christianity took a lot of things from Mithras, so it's believed. What is true is that both religions were practiced in the 2nd to 4th Centuries C.E., and many primitive Christian images echo Mithraic artwork. However, due to the lack of information about Mithraic rites (they were "Mysteries", open only to the Initiates), further comparisions are guesswork only.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2008-04-28 05:07pm

LadyTevar wrote:
Crown wrote:Indulge me, wasn't Mithras the proto-Jesus myth?
Christianity took a lot of things from Mithras, so it's believed. What is true is that both religions were practiced in the 2nd to 4th Centuries C.E., and many primitive Christian images echo Mithraic artwork. However, due to the lack of information about Mithraic rites (they were "Mysteries", open only to the Initiates), further comparisions are guesswork only.

Hmm, thought so.

Anyway, about the episode; like I said earlier, they better start getting good soon again because I'm not happy with what's been on so far, also more Helo and Athena please!

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