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Man keeps daughter captive in the cellar for 24 years

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And has 6 children by her. While his wife lives on upstairs, oblivious...

AMSTETTEN, Austria (CNN) -- Austrian police believe a 73-year-old man held his daughter captive in his cellar for the past two decades and fathered at least six children with her, according to police and state-run news reports Sunday.

The woman, identified as 42-year-old Elisabeth F., has been missing since 1984 when she was 18 years old, police said at a news conference.

The situation came to light earlier this month after her daughter -- a 19-year-old woman, identified as Kristen F. -- was hospitalized after falling unconscious, according to police.

She was admitted to a hospital in Amstetten, outside Vienna, by her grandfather with a note from her biological mother requesting help.

But police said a DNA test later revealed her grandfather, Josef F., was also her father, according to ORF, Austria's state-run news agency.

That sparked a police investigation which revealed that Josef F. may have fathered at least six children with his daughter, forcing her and three of the surviving children to live in the cellar of his house, according to ORF's Peter Schmitzberger.

The children are now between the ages of 5 and 19 years old.
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Police are awaiting DNA tests to verify their relationship to Josef F., who faces arrest for "severe crimes against family members," according to police. So far, he has not given a statement to police.

"One can't imagine how it could happen, how nobody could realize anything of what was going on in the cellar of this house," Schmitzberger told CNN. "It's quite unimaginable."

Acting on "a confidential tip," Amstetten police apprehended Josef F. and Elisabeth F. on Saturday near the hospital for questioning, according to a police statement. Once police assured the daughter that she would never have contact with her father again, "she was able to tell the whole story," Schmitzberger said.

Josef F. lived upstairs with his wife, Rosemarie F., who police said had no idea about her husband's other family living in the cellar.

Josef F. and Rosemarie F. had adopted three of the children that he had with his daughter, according to police. He told his wife that his missing daughter had dropped the unwanted children off at the house because she could not take care of them, police said.

The other three children -- Kerstin, 19; Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5 -- remained locked in the basement with their mother, according to police. None had seen the light of day during their entire time in captivity, police said.

After she was detained on Saturday, Elisabeth F. gave police a "psychologically and physically disturbed impression," police said in a statement. She told them her story after she was assured her children would be protected from further harm.

She said her father began sexually abusing her at age 11. On August 8, 1984 -- weeks before she was reported missing -- her father enticed her into the basement where he drugged her, put her in handcuffs, and locked her in a room, she told police. For the next 24 years, she was constantly raped by her father resulting in the six surviving children, she said, according to the police statement.

She told police she gave birth to twins in 1996, but one of the babies died a few days later as a result of neglect, and Josef F. removed the infant's body and burned it.

She told police that only her father supplied her and her children with food and clothing, and that she did not think his wife knew anything about their situation.

When Kerstin fell ill earlier this month, Josef F. apparently told his wife and the hospital that his "missing" daughter had dropped off the sick girl on his doorstep.

In an effort to find out what might be ailing 19-year-old Kerstin, the hospital asked the media to put out a bulletin requesting any information about the girl or her missing mother, attorney general Gerhard Sedlacek told NTV.

Sometime later, Josef F. brought Elisabeth F. out of the cellar, telling his wife that she had returned home with her two children after a 24-year absence, police said.

He took Elisabeth F. to the hospital to talk with doctors about Kerstin's condition, and at that point, authorities became aware of her situation, Sedlacek said.
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I find it hard to believe that unless the wife was deaf AND unable to go into the basement, how could she not know that there were people living in the basement? Did she never once go down there in all that time? Maybe the husband prevented her from going down there, who knows, and perhaps it was sound-proofed in some way, but unless that's the case, well, kids make noise. Unless they were preventing from making noise, somehow...

I hate to think of the physical state of those kids who were born and raised down there, leaving aside the psychological issues.

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That's just... wow.

I think I found one of the situations where I'd be fully in favour of the death penalty. This guy spent a quarter of a century, a third as long as most healthy people live, doing a collection of the most inhumane things possible to this woman and her/his children.

And there's no real chance for anything resembling a 'happy' ending, or even any sense of justice in this story. The woman's been stuck down there over half her life, and had been, according to the story, systematically abused before then as well. The three children stuck down there have *never* seen the outside world, that's likely going to fuck them over, developmentally, for life.

And the guy himself? He's seventy plus years old. He's spent twenty five years committing these crimes, and is incredibly unlikely to remain alive for ever half that time. There's no possible way to adequately punish him, or rehabilitate him, in the time he has left alive.

I'm really curious as to how the wife never found out, though. I can think of a few ways, all of which depend on a massive amount of trust in him, and sensory debilitations on her part, but I'd like to know the specifics there.
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I think the wife had a case of selective blindness. Most wives of abusers seem to have that, often out of self-preservation.

I would not be surprised to discover that all the girls in that house had been sexually abused. I seriously doubt the old man stopped with just his daughter.
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This is a situation in which I would support the death penalty. There's nothing else severe enough.
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LadyTevar wrote:I think the wife had a case of selective blindness. Most wives of abusers seem to have that, often out of self-preservation.
Possibly, but surely she had some suspicions about what the hell was going on down there.
I would not be surprised to discover that all the girls in that house had been sexually abused. I seriously doubt the old man stopped with just his daughter.
For all we know, he may have been abusing his wife as well (which could explain her ignorance):

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The Vortex Empire wrote:This is a situation in which I would support the death penalty. There's nothing else severe enough.
No. Putting him in general population in prison would be much worse then death, but it would eventually lead to that eventually.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:I'm really curious as to how the wife never found out, though. I can think of a few ways, all of which depend on a massive amount of trust in him, and sensory debilitations on her part, but I'd like to know the specifics there.
If this guy was capable of doing what he did to his daughter, you can imagine he'd be capable of doing whatever he had to do to keep wifey under control —and probably enjoyed it as well.
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I'm finding this story exceptionally hard to believe because of the situation with the wife. It is hard to swallow the idea she went completely oblivious to the situation without extreme factors being involved.
Josef F. and Rosemarie F. had adopted three of the children that he had with his daughter, according to police. He told his wife that his missing daughter had dropped the unwanted children off at the house because she could not take care of them, police said.

The other three children -- Kerstin, 19; Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5 -- remained locked in the basement with their mother, according to police. None had seen the light of day during their entire time in captivity, police said
Is the cellar some sort of TARDIS where the 'captives' can live or have they been chained up for 24 years ?
Speaking of which, I presume this means the daughter gave birth to all these children in the basement which would cause a bit of a noise, no ?
The guy comes back with 3 children which are 'adopted' by him and his wife but the other 3 children got stuck in the cellar with the mother ?
Hence, this situation had 4 people stuck in the basement unable to leave while having 5 people 'living normally' ?

How does getting supplies for a family of 9 go unnoticed by the wife or the fact the 'adopted' children would have no documentation etc ?
These kids never went to the dentist, went to school etc ?
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We need more facts, obviously. I heard this one on the radio news in the car ten minutes ago and was just flabbergasted.
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From what I've just read on an Spanish Newsite, the cellar had an actual dungeon biult in it, with a electronically controlled secret door to gain entrance. In fact, the police only managed to get in the dungeon after the guy confessed both the location of the door, and the code to open it.

Words really fail me.... atlhough this helps explain why the wife was oblivious. The neighbours say they thought the daughter had fled with a cult or something, and, of course, suspected nothing.
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PREDATOR490 wrote:I'm finding this story exceptionally hard to believe because of the situation with the wife. It is hard to swallow the idea she went completely oblivious to the situation without extreme factors being involved.

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Is the cellar some sort of TARDIS where the 'captives' can live or have they been chained up for 24 years ?
Speaking of which, I presume this means the daughter gave birth to all these children in the basement which would cause a bit of a noise, no ?
The guy comes back with 3 children which are 'adopted' by him and his wife but the other 3 children got stuck in the cellar with the mother ?
Hence, this situation had 4 people stuck in the basement unable to leave while having 5 people 'living normally' ?

How does getting supplies for a family of 9 go unnoticed by the wife or the fact the 'adopted' children would have no documentation etc ?
These kids never went to the dentist, went to school etc ?
I think we'll find that the wife was also being abused. If not, she must be really out of it (assuming she wasn't complicit) not to know what's going on for so long.
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LordOskuro wrote:From what I've just read on an Spanish Newsite, the cellar had an actual dungeon biult in it, with a electronically controlled secret door to gain entrance. In fact, the police only managed to get in the dungeon after the guy confessed both the location of the door, and the code to open it.

Words really fail me.... atlhough this helps explain why the wife was oblivious. The neighbours say they thought the daughter had fled with a cult or something, and, of course, suspected nothing.
Ah, well if this is the case, it's easier to see how the wife didn't hear anything.

But that doesn't explain about her not noticing supplies being brought in, as PREDATOR490 points out.
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The thing that I want to know is that it he fathered 6 kids with his daughter, did he birth them? or did he bring in a nurse or something?

it seems so very implausible that the wife could not have had knowledge of this, just from a logistical point of view.
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I wonder if the inmates will just kill him, or slowly and painfully drag out his death while the warden and the guards look the other way.
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Eulogy wrote:I wonder if the inmates will just kill him, or slowly and painfully drag out his death while the warden and the guards look the other way.
I know, I know, maybe they will draw and quarter him or slit open his abdomen and feed him his own entrails. :roll:

Seriously, at this point I care less about imaging ways of horrible retribution visited upon that old fuck and instead wonder, "how in the hell can these children have a normal life?"
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Eulogy wrote:I wonder if the inmates will just kill him, or slowly and painfully drag out his death while the warden and the guards look the other way.
Well, here in the States, this guy would NOT be mixed with the general population because that is precisely what would happen. Torture and then death. The regular scumbags in prison look down on rapists and even more down on child molesters, to the point that they are separated from the general prison populations.
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The guy must have been a domineering prick during all of his domestic relations long before he started this with his daughter. If his wife ever asked what he was doing bringing in supplies or installing soundproofing, secret doors, and a complete living quarters in his cellar -- which I would say is unlikely -- his response would probably have been rather brutal.

I have to say, though, that this is a weird story. It demonstrates that truth can indeed be stranger than fiction.
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I must admit, this story really manages to capture morbid intrest from me.
This guy supposedly was giving birth because he burnt at least one child after it died of 'neglect'. Was the guy the one taking care of these kids while the mother was chained to a wall or did she have a breakdown that left this child to die ?

The daughter supposedly 'thinks' the wife had no knowledge and didnt see her delivering supplies but I just cant grasp the idea the wife had no knowledge. It seems much more likely she DID know / suspect and is lying because shes afraid of getting punished or out of some twisted loyalty to this guy.

I'm a bit disturbed by the ages of the children as well.
19, 18, 5 for the captives but no information on the ones they 'adopted'.
I get the feeling these 'adopted' children will have ages between 17 and 6 which makes it even more shocking it got this far. The first two ages at least indicate he was continuing to rape the mother not long after she had the first child. I dread to think what kind of damage that would do to her physical and mental well being, nevermind having your own children being forced to watch it...
Were these kids being homeschooled as a cover and would they not require some sort of formal registration along the way ?

I dont think any punishment is really going to work on this guy. He has had 24 years of 'fun' and is now well over the hill in his life which makes prison look pointless. The Death Penalty wont help either because he is already at the last leg of his life.
The damage to the family dosent strike me as being fixable in any way for these kids and especially the mother. Watching your mother getting abused on a regular basis and your siblings by your own father is going to leave these kids fucked up on a level your never going to overcome.
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That doesn't mean we shouldn't do something, though. There has to be a way to punish this monster and heal his victims.
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Eulogy wrote:There has to be a way to punish this monster and heal his victims.
Several of the children are past the age where they could possible grow up intellectually and psychologically normal with proper treatment. His victims are, unfortunately, fucked.
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There has to be a way to punish this monster
Frankly speaking, there probably isn't. What this man did is so beyond the pale of cruelty to make even a brutal person sick. Other people like this fellow aren't going to be deterred by his punishment: deterrance doesn't tend to work with even the mentally healthy.

Considering what he is and what he's done, he should be disposed of in the most cost-efficient (and beneficial) manner possible. Whether that means a bullet to the head or being caged until he croaks is of little consequence, so long as he's not allowed in normal society ever again. [/quote]
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WAT... THE... FUCK?

Seriously, is this a joke? This is some sort of surrealistic nightmare of a contest where someone tried to come up with the most absurdly horrible story possible.

Just... WHAT?
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Tanasinn wrote:Frankly speaking, there probably isn't. What this man did is so beyond the pale of cruelty to make even a brutal person sick. Other people like this fellow aren't going to be deterred by his punishment: deterrance doesn't tend to work with even the mentally healthy.

Considering what he is and what he's done, he should be disposed of in the most cost-efficient (and beneficial) manner possible. Whether that means a bullet to the head or being caged until he croaks is of little consequence, so long as he's not allowed in normal society ever again.
Unfortunately, he won't be executed. Austria outlawed the death penalty. Chances are he'll be going to the clink forever, I think.
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