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(Memphis, Tennessee) A public high school principal who posted the names of two boys on a list of students believed to be couples, revealing their relationship to their parents as well as other students and teachers, violated the students’ constitutional right to freedom of association, the American Civil Liberties Union charged Tuesday.

In a letter to school board officials in Memphis, the ACLU demanded that the school reprimand the principal and take steps to ensure such actions never happen again.

In September of 2007, the principal at Hollis F. Price Middle College High told teachers she wanted the names of all student couples, “hetero and homo,” because she wanted to monitor them personally to prevent students from engaging in public displays of affection.

The two students now represented by the ACLU, Andrew and Nicholas (who have asked that their last names not be revealed), were two A students who had been seeing each other for a short time and were attempting to keep their relationship quiet and private.

The principal heard about them through another student, then wrote their names on a list she posted next to her desk, in full view of anyone who entered her office.


One of the boys’ mothers personally witnessed the list when she met with the principal a few days later.

“I couldn’t believe it when I went to meet with the principal and that list was right there by her desk where anyone could see it,” said Andrea, Andrew’s mother.

“African American people face enough obstacles to succeeding in this world and I want my son to have every opportunity he’s worked so hard for. Our schools should be helping our children do well, not tearing them down for something like this.”

Although the boys had never been observed by any school staff engaging in any sort of display of affection, the principal called Nicholas’s mother Nichole.

According to Nichole, the principal said things like “Did you know your son is gay?” repeatedly and went on to say that she didn’t like gay people and wouldn’t tolerate homosexuality at her school.

Both students say they’ve had to deal with verbal harassment from both teachers and students since word got out around the school about their principal’s actions.

According to Nicholas, he also suffered another consequence of the principal’s discrimination. He had submitted extensive paperwork and several recommendations from teachers for a school trip to New Orleans to assist in rebuilding efforts.

Having a long history of community service, he was considered a shoo-in to be selected to go before the incident, but then a teacher told Nicholas some faculty were afraid he might “embarrass the school” or engage in “inappropriate behavior.”

A few days later, another student who hadn’t even applied to go on the trip was selected in his place.


“We never bothered anyone or did a single thing at school that broke any of the rules,” said Nicholas, a junior and honor student. “Every day I feel like they’re still punishing me, and I’m worried that this is going to hurt my chances to get into a good college.”

“The principal’s outing of these two students to their families, classmates, and teachers is unacceptable. Its only purpose was to intimidate not only these students but all gay students at Hollis Price,” said Hedy Weinberg, Executive Director at the ACLU of Tennessee.

“Educators should be focused on educating their students and not on harassing them because of their sexual orientation or the people with whom they associate.”

School officials have already confirmed the existence of the list to the ACLU in prior meetings held in an attempt to resolve the matter privately the union said.

In Tuesday’s letter to the Memphis City Schools Board of Commissioners, the ACLU points out that the principal ordered the boys not to even walk or study together at school.


“This is a public high school that runs on taxpayer dollars. As such, it is part of the government and must obey the Constitution in dealing with the students entrusted to its care each day,” said Bruce Kramer, a partner at Borod and Kramer in Memphis who also is working on the case.

“This school has no business singling these boys out and taking away educational opportunities against them simply because they were dating.”
A) I've heard being gay + black is a tough mix so that just makes it worse.

B) Denied a chance to help rebuild New Orleans? Are you kidding me?

I wouldn't want to be the school district spokesman forced to justify this.
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Oh, yeah, there's no public persecution of gays. Nope, nuh uh.
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Fucking Unacceptable.

And worse that it appears the rest of the faculty was backing the principle, since no one did anything. And making a list to stop displays of affection? What the shit? Is that common in american schools, or just the asshole of ameri... I mean the south. My Franciscan high school was more tolerant than these douchebags running a state school like it's a church. Grr, impotent rage.
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What a beautifully perverse mixture of hatred on display here: Southern Dipshits, Fundamentalist PDA Blowhards, Homophobia, a straight-A honor student victim being denied a volunteer humanitarian trip because of this.
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Resinence wrote:Is that common in american schools, or just the asshole of ameri... I mean the south.
Because bigoted douchebags only exist in the American South, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

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Mr. Coffee wrote:
Resinence wrote:Is that common in american schools, or just the asshole of ameri... I mean the south.
Because bigoted douchebags only exist in the American South, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

Moron.
He was asking an honest question. Yeah, this story sucks rancid goat's balls, but let's not jump all over people just asking if everywhere else is as blatantly bigoted as the south. My school wasn't this bad. Instead of openly harassing gays, the administration preferred to just look the other way when asshole students harassed them.
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It's cool, that sentence would have been just as valid without the asshole of america comment. What I was really asking is how far has fundamentalism really crept into the american school system. Though I don't think anyone can deny that there is a larger majority of bigots in the confederate states (they still put the flag on trucks and flag poles, I'll keep calling them that).
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I wouldn't say it's everywhere. It probably depends on the community/location you're in. Where I went to school, this never happened, and they were quite friendly about it. There were GLB clubs and other events, etc.

Some areas are just more conservative than others.
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If anyone feels like giving this school a piece of their mind, their phone number is 901-435-1765. I think I might call and ask them why they feel attempting to ruin a student's social life is acceptable behavior from an educational staff.
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I predict a few "accidents" will happen because of this. Fuck that cunt. Fuck her hard, and may she be the miserable wreck she really is for the rest of her days, for she has ruined the lives of two innocent people.

Hopefully the guys over at New Orleans reject the replacement and send him back with a strong message. Preferably one that is really insulting and embarassing to the school. :evil:
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:He was asking an honest question.
My problem is that instead of it being "the principle is a bigoted dick" out comes the "Southerners are bigoted dicks" bandwagon. :roll:

Oni Koneko Damien wrote:Yeah, this story sucks rancid goat's balls, but let's not jump all over people just asking if everywhere else is as blatantly bigoted as the south.
There's patches, out in the hinterlands usually, where people tend to be more bigoted, but that's mostly due to lack of exposure or simple ignorance. Guess what though, you see that shit pretty much everywhere.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:
Resinence wrote:Is that common in american schools, or just the asshole of ameri... I mean the south.
Because bigoted douchebags only exist in the American South, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

Moron.
Oh come on, we all know that this asshattery correlates with the South. That's not to say everyone in the South is a douchebag, but one wanting to to do their best to avoid douchebaggery when presented with a choice between Washington State or Massachusetts and Mississippi, the choice is clearly the one with a HDI that's out of place in the former Soviet Union.
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My problem is that instead of it being "the principle is a bigoted dick" out comes the "Southerners are bigoted dicks" bandwagon.
I want to be sure to say that I intended "Fuck the Confederate South" as shorthand for a wide swath of idiots, but not everyone from the south. Obviously very fine people come from there, at the very least the two honors students whose lives are now fucked up.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:There's patches, out in the hinterlands usually, where people tend to be more bigoted, but that's mostly due to lack of exposure or simple ignorance. Guess what though, you see that shit pretty much everywhere.
Yes, but you see it in a much greater extent in the south. There's a damn good reason it has a reputation as backwards, homophobic, racist shithole. What is seen as a social faux paus in other places (blatant homophobia, etc), is apparently close enough to the status quo down south that we get more stories of this sort of shit from that area than anywhere else.
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LMSx wrote:I want to be sure to say that I intended "Fuck the Confederate South" as shorthand for a wide swath of idiots, but not everyone from the south. Obviously very fine people come from there, at the very least the two honors students whose lives are now fucked up.
How about just "Fuck bigoted assholes" instead of making a giant asshole generalization about an entire region of the the US, numbnuts? Name a fucking state south of the Mason-Dixon that wasn't part of the Confederacy during the Civil War. Saying "Fuck the Confederate South" basically means "Fuck the South" as pretty much the entire goddamned region was once part of the CSA.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:
Oni Koneko Damien wrote:He was asking an honest question.
My problem is that instead of it being "the principle is a bigoted dick" out comes the "Southerners are bigoted dicks" bandwagon. :roll:
They are.

Yes, I know, you'll point out that the statement does not apply 100%. Well too fucking bad; a solid majority is enough for a generalization, and when you have anti-gay marriage ballot measures passing by averages of 80%, and a Southern state narrowly legalizing inter-racial marriage by a margin of only 60/40 in 2001, I don't see what other conclusion to draw.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:
LMSx wrote:I want to be sure to say that I intended "Fuck the Confederate South" as shorthand for a wide swath of idiots, but not everyone from the south. Obviously very fine people come from there, at the very least the two honors students whose lives are now fucked up.
How about just "Fuck bigoted assholes" instead of making a giant asshole generalization about an entire region of the the US, numbnuts? Name a fucking state south of the Mason-Dixon that wasn't part of the Confederacy during the Civil War. Saying "Fuck the Confederate South" basically means "Fuck the South" as pretty much the entire goddamned region was once part of the CSA.
And that's unfair because ...? Especially when it is common in many of those states to proudly wear, emblazon, or fly the Confederate flag?
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:Yes, but you see it in a much greater extent in the south. There's a damn good reason it has a reputation as backwards, homophobic, racist shithole. What is seen as a social faux paus in other places (blatant homophobia, etc), is apparently close enough to the status quo down south that we get more stories of this sort of shit from that area than anywhere else.
Mostly because of the South's history, Oni. People see something dumbass happen in the South and they go "Hey, wasn't the south the confederate ones during the civil war and had a long history of racism" and BLAMO, out come the fucking stereotypes.

Nevermind we see this sort of homophobic bigoted bullshit pretty much everywhere in the US, since it happened in the South it just means we're all a bunch of damned hicks and everyone jumps the fucking bandwagon.
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Darth Wong wrote:And that's unfair because ...? Especially when it is common in many of those states to proudly wear, emblazon, or fly the Confederate flag?
Because it's another fucking stereotype, Mike. Did the Princple in the OP act like they did because they were in the South or because they're just a bigoted asshole? According to some people in this thread it's entirely because they happen to be in the South. THAT is my fucking problem.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:Nevermind we see this sort of homophobic bigoted bullshit pretty much everywhere in the US, since it happened in the South it just means we're all a bunch of damned hicks and everyone jumps the fucking bandwagon.
So you're saying that homophobia is uniform across the US? Or are you engaging in the type of black/white fallacy common to Southern apologists where you say that if homophobia exists at all in other parts of the US, then it's just as bad as it is in the Confederate South?
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Darth Wong wrote:And that's unfair because ...? Especially when it is common in many of those states to proudly wear, emblazon, or fly the Confederate flag?
Because it's another fucking stereotype, Mike. Did the Princple in the OP act like they did because they were in the South or because they're just a bigoted asshole? According to some people in this thread it's entirely because they happen to be in the South. THAT is my fucking problem.
It's not a stereotype. Most of the people in the US who fly Confederate flags live in the South. The association between Confederate values and Southern values is NOT just a groundless stereotype; it has a real basis.
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Darth Wong wrote:So you're saying that homophobia is uniform across the US?
If it wasn't then why do we keep seeing pro-gay marriage lay attempts get shot down across the country? Bigoted assholes are everywhere. The South just has a history of prominent bigotry.
Darth Wong wrote:Or are you engaging in the type of black/white fallacy common to Southern apologists where you say that if homophobia exists at all in other parts of the US, then it's just as bad as it is in the Confederate South?
Christ, not this shit again. Every time someone says "Hey, not everyone in the south is a bigoted confederate flag waving douche" you trot out that tired assed "southern apologist" bullshit.
Darth Wong wrote:It's not a stereotype. Most of the people in the US who fly Confederate flags live in the South. The association between Confederate values and Southern values is NOT just a groundless stereotype; it has a real basis.
First you say it's not a stereotype and then you say it is. Make up your mind.

In any case, no shit it's a stereotype based on fact. Does that make it somehow right to toss out stereotypes now? Guess what, a lot of stereotypes are based on fact like that.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:Mostly because of the South's history, Oni. People see something dumbass happen in the South and they go "Hey, wasn't the south the confederate ones during the civil war and had a long history of racism" and BLAMO, out come the fucking stereotypes.
Did you miss the part where I said the stereotypes get that way for a reason? Yeah, they have a long history of ignorance, hatred and bigotry. And you know what? A majority of them still haven't given that up. Where to the vast majority of people *still* proudly fly the confederate flag? Where is the whole evolution/creationism debate still being fought over in schools? Where are nooses still hung from trees? Where are the most states that still most vehemently ban gay marriage? Where is Florida, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, and practically every fucking state that regularly makes headlines for their blatantly retarded, ultra-concervative actions located?

The south.

All your claims do not change the fact that while, yes, homophobic bullshit occurs all around the country, it still is several magnitudes higher in the south.
Nevermind we see this sort of homophobic bigoted bullshit pretty much everywhere in the US, since it happened in the South it just means we're all a bunch of damned hicks and everyone jumps the fucking bandwagon.
*jumps and rolls as strawmen start falling all around him* Oh dear, I claimed that the south is known for hatred, bigotry, racism and homophobia. That must mean I actively believe that *every single person from the south, without a single exception* is a racist, homophobic fucktard. Or maybe you're the one jumping to conclusions here, and not us.

I live in Wisconsin, and it has been evidently proven that a majority of people here are overweight, beer-swilling, cheese guzzling pigs. It was just revealed recently that Wisconsin has the highest rate of admitted, shameless drunk drivers in the US, beating out even Alabama. So if someone says that Wisconsin is full of obese, cheesefucking, drunk drivers, should I assume that they're talking about every single fucking person in the state including me, or just the majority that have given this state that reputation?
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So, what's to stop the students from suing the administrators out of existence?
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Superman wrote:So, what's to stop the students from suing the administrators out of existence?
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