Stas Bush wrote:
The question is coverage and treatment per unit of cost. Which is obscenely, absolutely atrociously unacceptable in the US system.
Except that these are linked to the problems of rising cost and inflation in healthcare. What may had been acceptable, bearable costs on the part of the individual has become impossible due to rising costs, inflation as well as increased consumption/demand as lifestyle changes. Adminstrative costs hide the issue that if access is improved, consumption will rise which may lead to a similar outlay of cash. Of course, in that scenario, that outlay of cash is going towards providing care. Not paperwork. But that's McCain battle to fight, not mine.
But would they still be in the red if the UK paid the same amouns per capita for healthcare as the US does? As I understand it, the per-capita cost of the US healthcare system is quite high.
Relatively moot point. The British don't have the state funds to do what the US are doing.
No one is going to deny that the British do a much better job of providing access and care with less money, but in terms of talking about HMOs ability to control costs, it may or may not be doing as well as public owned healthcare.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:
Don't forget, too, that these idiots never pay attention to history - because otherwise they'd have to deal with unpleasant things such as why America went on the hated HMO system, with their networks of special doctors and treatments all designed to minimize expenses. We went on the HMO system in the late 1990s precisely because the "everybody and/or their company buys their health insurance" model that McCain seems so fond of was utterly failing to restrain health care costs. The HMOs managed to slow it for about 2-3 years in the late 1990s before breaking down under the weight of shitty coverage and public dislike.
To be fair, subsidised or wholly government owned healthcare industries are facing the same problems of rising costs as well as limited funds. That's one of the reasons why the NHS is in the red and is forced to economise by shutting down facillities.
It would be interesting however if studies could show the difference in rates of inflation between systems.
I was referring to the per capita costs - I was under the impression that the Canadian system is more or less comparable to the U.S. system in terms of quality of health care provided, with some weaknesses and some strengths in certain areas of treatment - but with a much lower per capita health care cost. It's the per capita health care cost that I'm concerned with.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:I was under the impression that the Canadian system is more or less comparable to the U.S. system in terms of quality of health care provided, with some weaknesses and some strengths in certain areas of treatment - but with a much lower per capita health care cost. It's the per capita health care cost that I'm concerned with.
That's about the gist of it. Once you check into a hospital with some medical problem, your medical outcome is roughly the same between Canada and the US. The problem with the US is that it costs twice as much per capita even though 47 million people can't just walk into the hospital unless they're on death's door.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:I was referring to the per capita costs - I was under the impression that the Canadian system is more or less comparable to the U.S. system in terms of quality of health care provided, with some weaknesses and some strengths in certain areas of treatment - but with a much lower per capita health care cost. It's the per capita health care cost that I'm concerned with.
Ah. My mistake.
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Stas Bush wrote:The question is coverage and treatment per unit of cost. Which is obscenely, absolutely atrociously unacceptable in the US system.
Except that these are linked to the problems of rising cost and inflation in healthcare.
The US system has higher per capita costs and worse results than nearly all other first world systems.
That, me thinks, is not just connected to the inflation and rising costs, but just to a general fuck up that this system symbolizes.
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Stas Bush wrote:The question is coverage and treatment per unit of cost. Which is obscenely, absolutely atrociously unacceptable in the US system.
Except that these are linked to the problems of rising cost and inflation in healthcare.
The US system has higher per capita costs and worse results than nearly all other first world systems.
That, me thinks, is not just connected to the inflation and rising costs, but just to a general fuck up that this system symbolizes.
What do you mean nearly? I was under the impression that it was the least effective (Relative) per capita in terms of the money spent and (lack of) results
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Okay, scrap that. It really is a piece of shit I was mistaken. Just had to re-look at the graph
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I was mistaken. Just had to re-look at the graph 