Principal outs gay students to stop PDAs

[Grandmaster Jogurt]

Point is, they're fucking everywhere

I don't think a single person in this thread has tried to claim that bigotry is a purely southern phenomenon, entirely alien to the rest of the country. They've just been saying that it's more prominent in the south, and have been providing evidence that that statement is true.

and that first map shows anti-hate laws are pretty damned evenly distributed too.

It's not a perfect match, but the more inclusive laws tend to be found in more liberal areas and the more lacking laws found in more conservative areas. There are many exceptions, but a trend is, in fact, seen. It's more "liberal vs conservative" than "south vs north", though, I will agree.

[Mr. Coffee]

Never said the South doesn't have a reputation for racism and bigotry, Yogurt. What I said was jumping a fucking stereotype bandwagon is bullshit. Somehow that became two pages full of excuses for why it's somehow ok to use negitive stereotypes.

[Oskuro]

I'd say that what Mr.Coffee is trying to point out is that, regardless of factual data supporting a given stereotype, jumping on it just because it's there is not correct.

For example, I don't live in the USA, and my experience/knowledge regarding the South is extremely limited. If I were to jump into the "The South is bigoted" badwagon, I'd be just parroting someone else's opinion without actually making the homework, and that is wrong, from a debating perspective at least.

This, of course doesn't invalidate the social facts being presented, I just feel Mr.Coffee's original intent has been blown out of proportion.... but, then again, that's my opinion.

[Alyrium Denryle]

First thing is first, that fucking cunt of a principle endangered the lives and welfare of those students and deserves to be sued into ruin, in addition to being fired and having her license to teach revoked. She does not approve of homosexuality, fine, but that does not give her the right to out her gay students to their parents, or to the rest of the student body. Nor does it give the school the right to discriminate against gay students, or actively harass them. These fuckers need to be nailed to the wall. And the ACLU will do it too. And knowing them, they will do it for free.

As for Mr. Coffee... In your home state, AL, you guys voted Justice Roy Moore to your supreme court (why the fuck are your judges elected?) and he ran on a platform that was expressly bigoted. You have no legs to stand on, you really dont.

[Kanastrous]

She does not approve of homosexuality, fine, but that does not give her the right to out her gay students to their parents, or to the rest of the student body. Nor does it give the school the right to discriminate against gay students, or actively harass them. These fuckers need to be nailed to the wall. And the ACLU will do it too. And knowing them, they will do it for free.

I expect that her policy of listing *all* couples she could, was intended to serve as cover, for having outed the gay students.

(wide-eyed, innocent) "But your honor, this isn't discrimination. I had hetero couples on my little list, too!"

[Mr. Coffee]

As for Mr. Coffee... In your home state, AL, you guys voted Justice Roy Moore to your supreme court (why the fuck are your judges elected?) and he ran on a platform that was expressly bigoted. You have no legs to stand on, you really dont.

And that justifies using negative stereotypes how? I mean, I fucking love this thread.... The stinky smell of double standard in here makes me smile.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

As for Mr. Coffee... In your home state, AL, you guys voted Justice Roy Moore to your supreme court (why the fuck are your judges elected?) and he ran on a platform that was expressly bigoted. You have no legs to stand on, you really dont.

And that justifies using negative stereotypes how? I mean, I fucking love this thread.... The stinky smell of double standard in here makes me smile.

What the hell crawled up your ass and died?

People have said, "The south is known for being more racist/bigoted/homophobic than other areas of the US." When called on this, people have BACKED IT UP WITH EVIDENCE. Your response? "You're all bandwagoning! Waaaaaah!"

Alright fuckwit, your turn to provide some evidence: How is it wrong to use a negative 'stereotype' that's been proven true multiple times in this very fucking thread?

[Mr. Coffee]

People have said, "The south is known for being more racist/bigoted/homophobic than other areas of the US." When called on this, people have BACKED IT UP WITH EVIDENCE. Your response? "You're all bandwagoning! Waaaaaah!"

No, dumbass, I said using a negitive stereo type is wrong. Period, full stop, end of story. That's when yourself and others started troting out excuses for your bullshit doublestandard that it's not ok to be a bigot against one group, but it's prefectly fine to be one against another.

Alright fuckwit, your turn to provide some evidence: How is it wrong to use a negative 'stereotype' that's been proven true multiple times in this very fucking thread?

First why don't you how me how it IS acceptable to use a negative stereotype, jackass. I mean, I've only asked three fucking times so far and all I get are excuses about "well, the South is full of bigots!", and somehow that's a justification for being bigoted yourself.

because, you know, two wrongs make everything fucking right.

[Kanastrous]

Never said the South doesn't have a reputation for racism and bigotry,

Is the reputation deserved, or not?

What I said was jumping a fucking stereotype bandwagon is bullshit.

What's the difference, between recognizing that a bad reputation is deserved, and "jumping on a stereotype bandwagon?"

Somehow that became two pages full of excuses for why it's somehow ok to use negitive stereotypes.

The two pages also include statistical data, presented in graphic form, illustrating a geographic concentration of racist/bigotry motivated violence, in the south, even after adjusting for population density.

That's less an 'excuse,' than it is supporting data.

[Mr. Coffee]

Never said the South doesn't have a reputation for racism and bigotry,

Is the reputation deserved, or not?

So basically you're saying "Well... They did it first!" Yeah, tried that excuse in kindergarden and it didn't work then. Still doesn't work now.

What I said was jumping a fucking stereotype bandwagon is bullshit.

What's the difference, between recognizing that a bad reputation is deserved, and "jumping on a stereotype bandwagon?"[/quote]

Well, for starters people could say "the south has a bad reputation for this" instead of saying "Fuck the South, they're all a bunch of racists!". One is mentioning a reputation, the other is tossing out a stereotype.

Somehow that became two pages full of excuses for why it's somehow ok to use negitive stereotypes.

The two pages also include statistical data, presented in graphic form, illustrating a geographic concentration of racist/bigotry motivated violence, in the south, even after adjusting for population density.

That's less an 'excuse,' than it is supporting data.[/quote]

Yeah, and I could toss out statistical evidence that says blacks are more prone to crime then whites to justify a negitive stereo type against blacks. But if I did that I'd be labeled a racist and everyone would jump my shit for using a stereotype.

But hey, I get it... Stereotypes against some groups are "bad" and stereotypes against others are "ok".

[Yogi]

I just moved to the south recently for my new job and I haven't seen one stereotype that isn't true.

[Mr. Coffee]

I just moved to the south recently for my new job and I haven't seen one stereotype that isn't true.

And? I used to live in one of the meanest ghettos in St. Louis and I saw a metric fuckload of people living the stereotype. Does that make it right to start tossing them out?

[Kanastrous]

Never said the South doesn't have a reputation for racism and bigotry,

Is the reputation deserved, or not?

So basically you're saying "Well... They did it first!" Yeah, tried that excuse in kindergarden and it didn't work then. Still doesn't work now.

No, I'm asking you whether the reputation is deserved, or not.

It's a yes-or-no question, and you wrote three fucking sentences without even bothering to answer it, yes or no.

What's the difference, between recognizing that a bad reputation is deserved, and "jumping on a stereotype bandwagon?"

Well, for starters people could say "the south has a bad reputation for this" instead of saying "Fuck the South, they're all a bunch of racists!". One is mentioning a reputation, the other is tossing out a stereotype.

You're still dodging. The important word in the question you were asked, is deserved. As in, what's the difference between recognizing that the reputation is deserved, and stereotyping?

I could toss out statistical evidence that says blacks are more prone to crime then whites to justify a negitive stereo type against blacks.

I suppose you could. Which would immediately open the question, why are blacks more prone to be convicted for crimes, that whites? Which is a conversation that goes somewhere.

On the other hand, if you were to ask, why are southerners more likely to be perpetrators and victims of hate crimes, I doubt you could find much reason for it, beyond plain backwardness, religion, and local culture...

But if I did that I'd be labeled a racist and everyone would jump my shit for using a stereotype.

Probably. Unless you were offering an argument or reasoning that appeared to be more than simple prejudice.

But hey, I get it... Stereotypes against some groups are "bad" and stereotypes against others are "ok".

That's a red herring. It's got nothing to do, with the data presented to make the case, regarding linkage between the incidence of hate-crimes, and region of the country.

[Yogi]

And? I used to live in one of the meanest ghettos in St. Louis and I saw a metric fuckload of people living the stereotype. Does that make it right to start tossing them out?

There's nothing wrong with it. It may not be smart to do so in certain social situations, but over here no one cares if someone is offended by the truth.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

I just moved to the south recently for my new job and I haven't seen one stereotype that isn't true.

And? I used to live in one of the meanest ghettos in St. Louis and I saw a metric fuckload of people living the stereotype. Does that make it right to start tossing them out?

Yes.

If a majority of people act like idiots, it is perfectly alright to call them such, you fucking twit. What makes you think that the south is suddenly excused from one of the most basic rules of this site, mockery of stupid people?

No, dumbass, I said using a negitive stereo type is wrong. Period, full stop, end of story.

...and you have yet to explain *why* it's wrong, which is why everyone's jumping on your case, fuckwit. The most you've done so far is produce a load of Tu Quoque fallacies that turn out to not be true anyways.

That's when yourself and others started troting out excuses for your bullshit doublestandard that it's not ok to be a bigot against one group, but it's prefectly fine to be one against another.

Back up this assertion now, asshole. Which group have we said it's not okay to call morons?

First why don't you how me how it IS acceptable to use a negative stereotype, jackass.

Okay, I'll repeat what's been said numerous times already:

Because they're fucking true.

But, I'm sure you'll just ignore this or equivocate it again, you've proven you're good at that in this thread.

I mean, I've only asked three fucking times so far and all I get are excuses about "well, the South is full of bigots!", and somehow that's a justification for being bigoted yourself.

God you are such a dense little retard.

A: "That person's an idiot!"
B: "Hey, don't be such a bigot!"
A: "No, really, he just attacked that gay guy."
B: "Yeah, but you're being a bigot by calling him an idiot."
A: "Look, he just attacked that gay guy, he still is. He's a homophobic idiot!"
B: "Look you hateful person, I've known plenty of people who don't do that. Calling him a homophobic idiot is being bigoted!"
A: "You're kind of an idiot too, then."

[Mr. Coffee]

Never said the South doesn't have a reputation for racism and bigotry,

Is the reputation deserved, or not?

Never said it wasn't deserved. I said using a negitive stereotype is wrong.

It's a yes-or-no question, and you wrote three fucking sentences without even bothering to answer it, yes or no.

And I've asked several times so far how it being deserved or not makes it right. How about you stop dodging that question?

You're still dodging. The important word in the question you were asked, is deserved. As in, what's the difference between recognizing that the reputation is deserved, and stereotyping?

Ok, shithead, I'll ask it again...

How the fuck does that make using a negitive stereotype right? Before you start accusing of dodging questions maybe you should answer questions asked of you.

I could toss out statistical evidence that says blacks are more prone to crime then whites to justify a negitive stereo type against blacks.

I suppose you could. Which would immediately open the question, why are blacks more prone to be convicted for crimes, that whites? Which is a conversation that goes somewhere.

I see the point not only went sailing over your head. I'll spell it out for you then...

People in this thread are saying it's wrong to use negitive stereotype against certain groups, because that'd be bigotry, but then they say that it's prefectly fine to use negitive stereotypes against other groups, which is, you know... Bigotry.

It's called a double standard. Go look it up.

But hey, I get it... Stereotypes against some groups are "bad" and stereotypes against others are "ok".

That's a red herring. It's got nothing to do, with the data presented to make the case, regarding linkage between the incidence of hate-crimes, and region of the country.

A negitive stereotype is a negitive stereotype is a negitive stereotype. Just because the group your using one against happens to have a past that explains the stereotype doesn't make it suddenly right to be a bigoted dumbass. Just because a group might be bigoted themselves does not excuse being a bigoted dumbass.

Is any of that sinking through to you yet?

[Oni Koneko Damien]

Oh wait, I just realized that he was referring to blacks, and the disproportionate number of violent crimes attributed to them.

Okay, you obviously have been dosing up on the stupid rather heavily lately, so I'll try to explain this in simple terms for you:

We call the south a bunch of backwards, illiterate morons, not because of some genetic heritage, but because a vast majority of them follow a culture based on xenophobia and violence.

We call many inner-city blacks a bunch of violent morons, not because they're black, but because a vast majority of them follow a culture based on xenophobia and violence.

Was that simple enough for you? Do you need me to explain it in even smaller words and include helpful little pictures? Do I need to pound it further into your head that there is no inconsistency or double-standard in how we're treating people? It's based on cultural norms these people follow, regardless of skin colour or geographic location.

[Mr. Coffee]

And? I used to live in one of the meanest ghettos in St. Louis and I saw a metric fuckload of people living the stereotype. Does that make it right to start tossing them out?

Yes.

Ok, so then you're saying it's ok to be a bigoted asshole. Glad to hear it.

If a majority of people act like idiots, it is perfectly alright to call them such, you fucking twit. What makes you think that the south is suddenly excused from one of the most basic rules of this site, mockery of stupid people?

then call them stupid, call them assholes, whatever. But don't say "hey, they're wrong for being bigots" and then be one yourself.

No, dumbass, I said using a negitive stereo type is wrong. Period, full stop, end of story.

...and you have yet to explain *why* it's wrong, which is why everyone's jumping on your case, fuckwit. The most you've done so far is produce a load of Tu Quoque fallacies that turn out to not be true anyways.

Ok, so now you're asking me to prove that it's wrong to be a bigot? Speaking of fallacies, what's that one about proving a negitive?

Fucking Clownshoes...

That's when yourself and others started troting out excuses for your bullshit doublestandard that it's not ok to be a bigot against one group, but it's prefectly fine to be one against another.

Back up this assertion now, asshole. Which group have we said it's not okay to call morons?

Way to move them field goals, assclown. If you'd just said "morons", that'd be one thing, but since you guys started off with "Fucking Confederates" this and "Racist Southerners" that, it's not the same.

But go figure, I'm from the south so I might take an exception to people calling me a racist or a homophobe.

First why don't you how me how it IS acceptable to use a negative stereotype, jackass.

Okay, I'll repeat what's been said numerous times already:

Because they're fucking true.

And there are blacks that deal drugs and are gang mebers, so according to your logic that must mean that all blacks are drug dealing gang members!

But, I'm sure you'll just ignore this or equivocate it again, you've proven you're good at that in this thread.

Oh, no. I'm just gonn a enjoy rubbing your face in your shittty little double standard.

God you are such a dense little retard.

A: "That person's an idiot!"
B: "Hey, don't be such a bigot!"
A: "No, really, he just attacked that gay guy."
B: "Yeah, but you're being a bigot by calling him an idiot."
A: "Look, he just attacked that gay guy, he still is. He's a homophobic idiot!"
B: "Look you hateful person, I've known plenty of people who don't do that. Calling him a homophobic idiot is being bigoted!"
A: "You're kind of an idiot too, then."

You mean:

A. That person is an idiot, they're from the south. Southerners are idiots.
B. That's Bigoted against southerners.
C. No it's not negative stereotypes about southerners are true!
...
B. That's Bigoted against southerners.
C. No it's not negative stereotypes about southerners are true!

But if we change "Southerner" for "Black People" it would change to:

A. I don't like him, mommy, he's black.
B. Your fears are justified dear statistics say black people are more likely to commit a crime.
C. That's racist!
D. *A chorus of SDNET members* Indeed it is!
C/D. Damn the statistics you discriminated, you can't just make assumptions!

Go chase your fucking tail some place else, shitbird.

[Kanastrous]

Never said the South doesn't have a reputation for racism and bigotry,

Is the reputation deserved, or not?

Never said it wasn't deserved.

Does that mean it *is* deserved?

Yes, what I am after, is you either typing into your computer that the reputation *is* deserved, or that the reputation is *not* deserved.

In so many words.

Can you even *do* that...?

I said using a negitive stereotype is wrong.

That's total bullshit. Others have illustrated why it's bullshit, and illustrated it well...

And I've asked several times so far how it being deserved or not makes it right.

Are you brain-damaged?

If the reputation is deserved, then of course it's right to apply it.

How the fuck does that make using a negitive stereotype right?

Because if the stereotype is largely *accurate*, it's right to use, whether it is negative, positive, or neutral.

You seem to think that "accurate" has something to do with "nice," or "polite," or "feel-good." It doesn't.

People in this thread are saying it's wrong to use negitive stereotype against certain groups, because that'd be bigotry,

Depends upon whether or not the stereotypes are underwritten, by anything more than bigotry. A stereotype is not necessarily inaccurate.

but then they say that it's prefectly fine to use negitive stereotypes against other groups, which is, you know... Bigotry.

Bullshit again. It *all* comes back to the question you just plain refuse to straight-up answer: is the basis of the stereotype real? Is it accurate? Because if you can underwrite the stereotype and demonstrate it's accurate, that's not bigotry, even if people don't like it.

A negitive stereotype is a negitive stereotype is a negitive stereotype.

And data suggesting that the stereotype is accurate, and reflects what's going on in the real world, means nothing to you.

You're so hung up on a fucking word, that you can't even conceive that there's a reality being described.

Just because the group your using one against happens to have a past that explains the stereotype

Did you just admit that the stereotype reflects reality? Like, the reality underpinned by the actual past of the South? And, having basically admitted to the reality underpinning the stereotype, you still object - to a reality that you recognize!

[Kanastrous]

How the fuck does that make using a negitive stereotype right?

should read

How the fuck does that make using a negitive stereotype right?

of course

[Mr. Coffee]

We call the south a bunch of backwards, illiterate morons, not because of some genetic heritage, but because a vast majority of them follow a culture based on xenophobia and violence.

Meaning ALL southerners are "backwards, illiterate morons".

We call many inner-city blacks a bunch of violent morons, not because they're black, but because a vast majority of them follow a culture based on xenophobia and violence.

Meaning NOT ALL blacks are "violent morons", just the violent moron ones.

Way to fail, fuckface.

Was that simple enough for you?

Yeah, it's clear that you're a double standard bearing moron that can't even see it when it's spelled out for him that he's going by one standard for group A and a different standard for group B.

[Mr. Coffee]

How the fuck does that make using a negitive stereotype right?

should read

How the fuck does that make using a negitive stereotype right?

of course

If the best you've got is pointing out where I fucked up a quote tag then you've already lost.

[General Zod]

But go figure, I'm from the south so I might take an exception to people calling me a racist or a homophobe.

When was the last time you jumped into a Middle East thread to defend Arabs because someone called Saudi Arabia a theocratic shithole filled with fundie douchebags?

[Kanastrous]

How the fuck does that make using a negitive stereotype right?

should read

How the fuck does that make using a negitive stereotype right?

of course

If the best you've got is pointing out where I fucked up a quote tag then you've already lost.

No, I was correcting where *I* had fucked up a quote tag.

If I wanted to pick on something beside the content of your posts, it would be your spelling and grammar.

[Mr. Coffee]

But go figure, I'm from the south so I might take an exception to people calling me a racist or a homophobe.

When was the last time you jumped into a Middle East thread to defend Arabs because someone called Saudi Arabia a theocratic shithole filled with fundie douchebags?

Actually, I kind of did just that midway down here.

No, I was correcting where *I* had fucked up a quote tag.

Oh, my bad then.