Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:
- Ground vehicles: How much do M1097 Avengers and M1117 Guardians cost? Also, do any nations have M2 Bradleys and M6 Linebackers or equivalents thereof, either in storage or on offer for new production?
The price for the M1117 ASV is around $810K and the M1097 Avenger is about $1.1M. At least that is what the U.S. Army is paying for them right now.
I have the M2 IFV, M3 CFV, M6 Linebacker, and M7 BFIST in my inventory. I would also be happy to produce them for you if you want. I can produce the M2A3 for $3.5M each (cost the US Army $4.409M), M3A3 for $3.5M each (costs the US Army $4.022M), the M6 for $4.5M (costs the US Army $5.204M), and the M7 for $4.5M each (costs the US Army $5.309M). These costs are for brand new vehicles. Depending on how quickly you want them I can produce between 30 and 120 vehicles per month.
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Another question though, I will take one LUN Ekranoplans as my Fast transport, but how much do the A-90s cost.
A-90 Orlyonok: $10 million as a passenger liner, $15 million as an assault craft/cargo transporter.
902R Lun: $50 million, so far only ASM Missile Cruiser or Rescue Speed Platform versions offered.
KM-class: $30-50 million base depending on complect and possible armament.
OOC Note, Stas, why not build that prototype Beriev Be-2500 Neptun. You have the money, and it seems like the biggest way to have an ultra heavy fast (so to say) transport.
Also, could the STRIZH-1 be equipped for combat duty if the need arises?
Well, you could outfit it with a machine gun and use it as a coastal guard craft / very fast patrol boat.
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I may have to cancel the ABM-thinggy with the IRT, since Shep's Beard program is back, but I am gonna go for the Super F-14s nonetheless.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:I may have to cancel the ABM-thinggy with the IRT, since Shep's Beard program is back, but I am gonna go for the Super F-14s nonetheless.
The MIM-173D Spacebeard is a road mobile missile capable of taking out satellites out to 600 miles orbit, as well as providing some measure of ABM capability.
You already have one battalion of the early MIM-173C models; I gave them to you as a gift during the JSEZ OMSK/MESS standoff; and they should suffice for 75% of your needs.
However, if you want a heavy ABM system that can kill everything and provide enough protection to cover ALL of Shroomania from a single fixed location; as well as pot satellites much further out than 600 miles, keep the IRT ABM program on your lists.
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The UKB Thanks Shroomia for it's continued investment in the UKB Space industry and will begin calculating numbers on that note.
Speaking of which on the economics of the situation. The world currently has 12 Shroomian/UKB satellites in orbit. They are dual purpose Satellite TV/Voice communication satellites. Due to the size of our populated zone(Africa sized) we could have done it with just eight satellites but this way we have enough assuming more people join in that we can shift orbits over to achieve total coverage again.
Here's a visual aid, in pretty colors
GEO Satellite footprints are roughly 4,500 miles to 5,000 miles large, I went conservative with to scale 4,000 mile wide footprints. As you can see the coverage of our satellites is such that most countries have three within LoS. Whenever possible satellites are placed Geo-stationary above international water to avoid pesky Saddamistan issues. Plus footprint deadzone issues.
As you can see we have the planet as it is, pretty well covered.
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How many of the SSM SeaBeards (of the fast and slow varieties) did I buy again? I remember purchasing 1 Fastbeard but I can't remember how many other Slowbeards I got... was it five?
I am now looking into SAM systems and, of course, ABM. Aside from that, I don't think I'll spend too much on the military. Aside from the F-14 modernization... and the anti-piracy thing.
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MariusRoi wrote:New Patria would like to finalize orders for 4 Wilkonian LNG ships with purchase options for 4 more.
Certainly very do-able, please contact Jessup Naval Shipyards as they are the paticualr builders of this class. Two notes, I flubbed the OP for the LNG carrier as 250,000 m^3 would actually make it one of Earth's largest so I'm retconning it down to 170,000 m^3. Second note, on pricing, is costs are expected to becomparable to Earth so approx $1,000/m^3. This would make the ship cost $170mil. Given that Jessup Credit Services is willing to enter into either lease or lease to buy agreements with contract lengths of 5, 10, 20, and 25 years. The lease to buy option has an effective APR of 2.5% for the 20 year option.
Actually an addendum to that, researching this a bit I'm actually undercutting current market rates as mid-size LNG carriers (145,000m^3 is the baseline I've seen) run about $1,200/m^3 so this represents a pretty deep discount.
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Crunching the numbers. Discounting the cost of building infastructor for satellite launches(Roughly twenty billion to get everything we have now) the pure cost of most GEO Com/TV satellites rang in at about 8 million-290 million dollars depending on what your satellite does. Proton-M rockets are cheap by comparison even a full one loaded for GEO insertion only costs 14 million in construction costs.
A Direct TV satellite costs roughly 33 million dollars and the Iridium satellites cost 19 million each. Lets aid those together and toss in a 20% on top for integrating two different types of satellite. So 62.4 million for each Shroomia Satellite TV/Communcation Satellite. Speaking of which finding the cost of satellites is a pain in the ass, most useful information is stuck in a PDF file somewhere.
So 14 million for the rocket, plus ground crews plus launch, plus tracking plus satellite. So a total of roughly 80 million to put one of these into orbit.
We've put twelve, a simple multiplication later, 960 million, or just shy of one billion dollars for the entire system. Lets round it up to a billion for unexpected costs.
Ok the system has been in operation for two years now(Roughly) lets model it's subscribers on Direct TV and a theoretical Irdium that was not under-cut by the telecom monopoly to shut them down.
In 300,000,000 million people in the US Direct TV has access to a total of 15 million subscribers. Roughly 5% of the total US population. Compare that with more primitive 2nd world countries and Satellite service is much more popular. For example in Australia it's 9% rather than 5% of the population.
Lets make it a wash and say 6% of all people in the coverage area subscribe to Shroom-Sat TV. Minus out Liberatopia's and Saddamastains and that's 34.8 million people. Add in the much lower number of people who were expected to subscribe to Satellite communications(1%) and you get 5.8 million..
Now to calculate profits, we need a pricing plan. Lets use Direct TV's but not Irdium's (Which was nutty)
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You'll see in 10 years. Bascially Alexeev has two project teams devoted to that thing. It's a WIG 2500 ton Aircraft Carrier capable of moving at speeds around 300+ kph.
Ekranoplans and hydrofoils are for sale.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:Speaking of Which, would anybody be willing to loan me some tank designer crews for my GEV upgrade program?
Also anyone got a good name for the Armoured Hovercraft project?
"Project Slammer" was too obvious?
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Direct TV packages go from 24.99 to 54.99 for the everything package, plus extra costs for HBO, Showtime and HD ectra. Lets say the UKB insists on mandatory HD free so no profit there. Now lets assume our new world came with 300 channels of crap, an HBO equivalent ectra. If not the same stars and talking heads then new ones.
Based on Direct-TV's own numbers the average family goes with the choice plus plan so we will use that at 39.99$. With 34.8 million subscribers that works out to One billion, three hundred and ninety one million in revenue each year(1,381,000,000). Plus you can't forget subscription costs, equipment costs. Lets assume we cut that as much as possible, a one time 50$ equipment rental fee and sign-up fee. So another one billion, seven hundred and forty million right there.(1,740,000,000)
Assuming that holds true your looking at a total of 4,502,000,000 dollars a month(Assuming everyone bought their equipment on day one) in revenue VS roughly a billion dollars in start-up costs. 16 billionnearly 17 billion dollars in subscription fee's a year.
I have no idea how to estimate and calculate running costs and payroll to get final profit. But that's mighty fine good start. And it shows we can lower prices to keep other people(ahem) from trying to sneak out the Satellite TV market. So I'll cheat and use Direct TV's. They have a roughly 22% Revenue to Profit ratio. So 22% of 16.669 billion dollars would be 3.6 billion dollars in profit each year.
Truely this is a good day for Shroomia, as now I can successfully estimate that based on my assumptions the total profit to date for Shroom-Sat Corporation would be roughly 7.6 billion dollars. Of which minus the 15% UKB cut for operations and broadcast assistance. Is still 6.46 billion a year in profit for the Shroomians.
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I knew shitty TV was a wise investment to capitalize upon!
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN! Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people - PeZook Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic Pink Sugar Heart Attack!
I knew shitty TV was a wise investment to capitalize upon!
Best part is because of the head-start you have, you have enough capital and enough people to make competition almost impossible from anyone but the UKB, not bad for a 7 billion dollar investment that's almost already re-payed itself.
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Now onto communication. Following a saner plan that Irdium and assuming I managed to hook 5.8 million people in the entire world to buy Satellite phones at 500$ each on a flat 49.99$ unlimited use plan. I make much less money since the phones are damn expensive. No markup period for me so roughly 290$ in losses from equipment sales, an unlimited use plan instead of Iridium's crazy 5$ a minute plan means I'm netting around 289.42 million a month for roughly 3 billion 473 million a year in revenue. However toss in how low the Iridium profit to revenue was going to be(12%) I'm only making roughly 416 million a year. Not bad, not great. It's going to be a few years before I recoup my investment. A full three months before I make any money on any customers due to the high cost of the phone.
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Hmm... I have TV. I should also expand to the Internets. And cellphones!
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Hmm... I have TV. I should also expand to the Internets. And cellphones!
I already have the HISCO system in orbit, tomorrow it goes fully live so good luck there. And the Shroom-Sats are dual use for Satellite Phones, which I control the market for, it's not a popular one.
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After I blow the pirates out of Blastification, I shall have the FUN create the Blastification Oil International Limitless.
The BOIL.
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Hey Shroom, the Internet idea seems like a good one to me. IS there anybody providing same at this time?
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The Red Technocracy might. I say we start building up FUN's infrastructure.
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Master_Baerne wrote:Hey Shroom, the Internet idea seems like a good one to me. IS there anybody providing same at this time?
Ahem HISCO Stats
The expected top speeds are at around 121 Megabits/sec to a use with a 55 cm dish. Or up to 22 Megabits/sec to those with a antenna. Using a dedicated ground station equipped with a full dish the satellite can communicate up to 14 Gigabit/sec. The numbers however are for ideal cloudless sky operation. Under average conditions top speed is only expected to be 70% of that at best.
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Average connect speed is 17 Megbit/sec with a standard NIC or Laptop sized antenna, with a breakout box as noted that climbs to nearly 90 Megabit/sec.
There are 30 HISCO satellites in orbit launched from White Sands Via VULKAN Heavy launch rockets. Once the magic 33 number is hit this Sunday then the system goes live. In order to raise awareness the equipment has been available since the sixth satellite has launched with a single subscription fee of 10$ until the system goes live for earlier adopters.
The question is how should I work this out cost wise, this kind of High-up speed satellite internet access is possible in today's world(155 m/b top speed). It's been in paper for awhile now(4 years). I simply shoved it through by brute-forcing the speed issue and building enough ground stations. Which is why the satellites are so damn big and so damn expensive.
Considering the local alternative and the fact that Fiber still kicks it's ass(But no country is running on pure fiber yet) how many subscribers should I expect? One percent? Ten Percent? Maybe even Twenty eight percent?
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Master_Baerne wrote:Hey Shroom, the Internet idea seems like a good one to me. IS there anybody providing same at this time?
Ahem HISCO Stats
The expected top speeds are at around 121 Megabits/sec to a use with a 55 cm dish. Or up to 22 Megabits/sec to those with a antenna. Using a dedicated ground station equipped with a full dish the satellite can communicate up to 14 Gigabit/sec. The numbers however are for ideal cloudless sky operation. Under average conditions top speed is only expected to be 70% of that at best.
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Average connect speed is 17 Megbit/sec with a standard NIC or Laptop sized antenna, with a breakout box as noted that climbs to nearly 90 Megabit/sec.
There are 30 HISCO satellites in orbit launched from White Sands Via VULKAN Heavy launch rockets. Once the magic 33 number is hit this Sunday then the system goes live. In order to raise awareness the equipment has been available since the sixth satellite has launched with a single subscription fee of 10$ until the system goes live for earlier adopters.
The question is how should I work this out cost wise, this kind of High-up speed satellite internet access is possible in today's world(155 m/b top speed). It's been in paper for awhile now(4 years). I simply shoved it through by brute-forcing the speed issue and building enough ground stations. Which is why the satellites are so damn big and so damn expensive.
Considering the local alternative and the fact that Fiber still kicks it's ass(But no country is running on pure fiber yet) how many subscribers should I expect? One percent? Ten Percent? Maybe even Twenty eight percent?
Well, OMSK could jointly build a high speed network with Government investment and private investment. I think I should be happy to commit cash into the endeavour.
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Someone should be putting together an actual NewWorlds Catalog of various stuff...
Whwen someone wants to buy a Nuclear Reactor, a Zepplin, rocket, etc.. We should have a list of:
Who Makes it, How Much, and what types:
Any Voulinteers?
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Some of my previous posts have listed what can be bought from Shroomania and the FUN. From flesh-eating fungus, to purifying air conditioners, to oil, to shitty exercise machines advertised by Chuck Norris.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Some of my previous posts have listed what can be bought from Shroomania and the FUN. From flesh-eating fungus, to purifying air conditioners, to oil, to shitty exercise machines advertised by Chuck Norris.
Flesh-Eating fungus would fall under the lable of a Bio-weapon meaning you violated the one universal treaty, I wonder if the Mess or OMSK will nuke you first for building biological weapons.
Or... you could not sell deadly bacteria to questionable governments.
However the catalog sounds like a good idea.
Prepare your lists and post them during tomorrow's meeting.
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