SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK II

[General Deathdealer]

Crossroads,
What kind of infrastructure needs to be in plance? I will be more than happy to build it for the Zeppelin Service and give overflight rights.

[General Deathdealer]

Also how much will this infrastructure cost to build?

[Mr Bean]

Crossroads,
What kind of infrastructure needs to be in plance? I will be more than happy to build it for the Zeppelin Service and give overflight rights.

Zeppelins need little, just a tower to tie up to and refueling tanks.

Think of a airport, minus the runways. Just a nice flat field, a low terminal building and covered walkways out to the cabins.

*Edit rough cost for a Zeplin landing field is equivalent to a local field. A large flat space, refueling areas plus a Terminal.

3.3 million each for a airfield big enough for a half a dozen Zeppelins plus refueling sheds and the like. I based that number off the cost of building an American two airstrip local airfield with hangers(Not big enough for Zeppelins). Needless to say with a super-nice terminal build your talking as much as twenty million but not much more. Zeppelin facilites are damn cheap, you don't need to pave it, you need a tower but no crash barriers or the like or any of the other things you need for a big regional airport.

[General Deathdealer]

OK. I guess the next logical question is how big are the zeppelins? I need to know how big the tower needs to be. Do they require a hanger also? Can the zeppelin landing field be adjacent to the normal airport, or would that be too dangerous?

[The Yosemite Bear]

hangers are nice in the event of high winds...

otherwise your talking a huge crosssection that's air light and just tethered at one or two points...

[K. A. Pital]

I think deadly fungi are not man made.

If they are, whoever made them is in a heapload of trouble

[Mr Bean]

OK. I guess the next logical question is how big are the zeppelins? I need to know how big the tower needs to be. Do they require a hanger also? Can the zeppelin landing field be adjacent to the normal airport, or would that be too dangerous?

200 to 270 meters for the old German style, 60 to 100 meters for most modern airships.

They have a top speed of 50 mph to 88 mph max. I don't see any faster listings for these things meaning most trips between countries would take a half a day or so. So I wonder how useful these would be for touring.

*Edit, Selling Natural Biological weapon is ok under the ban? So I could technically give out free Ebola samplers? All Natural made from a plague victim.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Some of the modern zepplins, especially those being built by Yoesmite aere quite large,. I think 300meters or so. Of course some of the more massive airships can have thier main hanger and repair facilites at the larger nations.

For AirshipPorts, the face that you need only the Termila and hnagers will mean the costs will be a LOT less them odern Airplane ports an such.

Of course you only need to do your Own port, the main part of the Airship treaty is every9nes making thier own nations ports, but we are sharing the costs on the airships themselves.

[K. A. Pital]

Selling Natural Biological weapon is ok under the ban?

Nop, proliferation is also forbidden due to the plague threat.

Anyone caught committing, or about to commit a transaction selling biological weapons, or epidemic disease agents of natural origin, will be nuked on-site, and that will be the end of him.

[Zor]

Did not SeaSkimmer admit to having bateriological weaponry?

Zor

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Also, do any nations have M2 Bradleys and M6 Linebackers or equivalents thereof, either in storage or on offer for new production?

I have a couple thousand M2s and M1s in storage

For how much are you willing to part with the M2s? I'll be needing at least 16 of them for this year (8 for the Army, 8 for the Marines), with plans to acquire more if necessary. However, I most likely won't be needing full-sized MBTs for quite some time, so the M1s can wait.

- Ground vehicles: How much do M1097 Avengers and M1117 Guardians cost? Also, do any nations have M2 Bradleys and M6 Linebackers or equivalents thereof, either in storage or on offer for new production?

The price for the M1117 ASV is around $810K and the M1097 Avenger is about $1.1M. At least that is what the U.S. Army is paying for them right now.

I have the M2 IFV, M3 CFV, M6 Linebacker, and M7 BFIST in my inventory. I would also be happy to produce them for you if you want. I can produce the M2A3 for $3.5M each (cost the US Army $4.409M), M3A3 for $3.5M each (costs the US Army $4.022M), the M6 for $4.5M (costs the US Army $5.204M), and the M7 for $4.5M each (costs the US Army $5.309M). These costs are for brand new vehicles. Depending on how quickly you want them I can produce between 30 and 120 vehicles per month.

Assuming that Shep's willing to give me some of his surplus M2s, I'll have to grab some of your new-build M6s. I'll be needing 16 of them for this year, so the bill will come out to around...US$72 million, if my math's right. They can all be built in a single month if necessary.

Also, since you apparently don't produce M1117s, I'd like to know if there are others who do.

Another question though, I will take one LUN Ekranoplans as my Fast transport, but how much do the A-90s cost.

A-90 Orlyonok: $10 million as a passenger liner, $15 million as an assault craft/cargo transporter.
902R Lun: $50 million, so far only ASM Missile Cruiser or Rescue Speed Platform versions offered.
KM-class: $30-50 million base depending on complect and possible armament.

Also, could the STRIZH-1 be equipped for combat duty if the need arises?

Well, you could outfit it with a machine gun and use it as a coastal guard craft / very fast patrol boat.

For now, I'd like to place an order for three military assault Orlyonoks, three cargo Orlyonoks, and eighteen STRIZH-1s. Luns can wait until next year.

[Shroom Man 777]

I wasn't serious about selling bioweapons

Then again, maybe the Mangkans might be interested in its... medicinal applications.

And unless I can eliminate all traces of the fungus and all its spores, I can't really stop Libertopians or Mad Mangkans from getting some (from under a rock, from a decayed animal corpse, etc.) and putting them in letters and mailing them to people, can I?

But, fuck no, I'm not dealing with flesh-eating fungi. I'm not mad, I'm making a better world so instead, it will be the wonders of Penicillium for all!

Yes! MEDICINE! I am gonna be rich!

EDIT:

HAY! Shroomania also has a lot of M1 Abrams in storage! Zor gave us oversized and unmaintainable militaries (twice the size of the British Army? Get outta here!) and so I can sell my FUNGAL allies tanks on the cheap

[K. A. Pital]

Did not SeaSkimmer admit to having bateriological weaponry?

In that case Saddamistan will face war in a very short while unless that program is terminated.

May have slipped, Saddam is pretty isolationist.

Will someone PM Skimmer about it so that we can discuss the issue when he returns?

[The Yosemite Bear]

Selling Natural Biological weapon is ok under the ban?

Nop, proliferation is also forbidden due to the plague threat.

Anyone caught committing, or about to commit a transaction selling biological weapons, or epidemic disease agents of natural origin, will be nuked on-site, and that will be the end of him.

does that mean I can't export my Turkey Chili?

[Coyote]

Actually, Shroom, if you can develop a Big Pharma industry, that would be very profitable...

[K. A. Pital]

I can't export my Turkey Chili?

You're exporting a deadly epidemic virii or bacteria? No, Chili's fine.

[Shroom Man 777]

Actually, Shroom, if you can develop a Big Pharma industry, that would be very profitable...

Exactly. But I also have disdain for overpriced pharmaceutical drug-crap. So I'm not gonna be making my stuff too expensive. Gotta compete with those Mangkans, and competing pharmaceutical corps often cause prices to lower

EDIT:

Also, I think I've got like... around a hundred Challenger 2s (sorry, not M1s. These guys have superior range and are not as maintenance/fuel hoggy as the Abrams) in stock. Zor's OP gave us oversized militaries and I had to downsize to keep things sane...

Who wants to buy?

[The Yosemite Bear]

Well I see someone didn't get my fart joke...

[General Deathdealer]

Assuming that Shep's willing to give me some of his surplus M2s, I'll have to grab some of your new-build M6s. I'll be needing 16 of them for this year, so the bill will come out to around...US$72 million, if my math's right. They can all be built in a single month if necessary.

Also, since you apparently don't produce M1117s, I'd like to know if there are others who do.

Actually I do produce the M1117. I have them in my light units. I can sell the M1117 for $750K and the Avenger for $1M.

I can produce these relatively fast. Just let me know how many you would need.

As for the M6 Linebackers, I will have them ready next month. They will be waiting at the Sanguinius Dockyard. Let's just call it an even $70M since you ordered quite a few of them.

As for the M2s and M3s that Shep has, you might want to find out what version they are. I can produce the M2A3 and M3A3 version which is the most modern versions of each. Also, do you need any M7 BFISTs for your artillery forward observers?

[K. A. Pital]

Well I see someone didn't get my fart joke...

We only know chili farts are deadly from the TV anecdotes, because we have no chili in Russia

[RogueIce]

Hey Bean, if I read that graphic right, your yellow, black, purple, and brown orbits go over Saddamistan. So either I'm reading the graphic wrong or you're flirting with disaster.

[K. A. Pital]

Can Saddam reliably down GEO Satellites? If he can, then he will be destroyed anyway because the weaponry he made is far in excess of anything this world has and far too dangerous.

If he, like most nations, can't down GEO Sats at will, then I'm afraid he'd have to tolerate their presence.

If he declares war, too bad for him then.

[RogueIce]

Can Saddam reliably down GEO Satellites? If he can, then he will be destroyed anyway because the weaponry he made is far in excess of anything this world has and far too dangerous.

If he, like most nations, can't down GEO Sats at will, then I'm afraid he'd have to tolerate their presence.

If he declares war, too bad for him then.

Personally I'd rather not antagonize Saddamistan over what, satellite TV and internet? Since I'm his neighbor and all, I have a good reason to be worried over getting him riled up.

So if he does lodge a protest or whatever, I'll probably be in his corner. I do not want war breaking out on my doorstep. Especially not over TV and internet for Christ's sakes.

[Shroom Man 777]

Thanks, Stas


Shinn Langley Soryuu
Shroomania has Cougars and also [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113]M113s[/b] for anyone who is interested in armored fighting vehicles. The M113s are highly customizable and have proven themselves in Vietnam and are serving in Iraq. In SDN World, they have done well in the Syndromian Strike and have been proven by Mushroom Marines.

[Mr Bean]

Hey Bean, if I read that graphic right, your yellow, black, purple, and brown orbits go over Saddamistan. So either I'm reading the graphic wrong or you're flirting with disaster.

Your reading it wrong, those are GEO Footprints. The Satellites are Geo-stationary, which means they do not move relative to the rotation, that combined with the great height of the satellite means that the satellite can be seen from Saddamstain but is not over Saddamastain territory.

Again those are not orbital paths, the satellites are stationary as far as an observe on the ground views it. If someone in Saddamstain wants to view inter nation TV then they can purchase the equipment, aim a satellite dish at one of the satellites and get a signal.

These satellites in no way violate Saddamstain's claim of airspace of infinity plus one, since none pass over his country. In fact again I stress, they do not move at all from a ground observer prospective.