SW Fan Continuity After TUF

[Knife]

Hmm, as far as NJO replacements and touching a bit on tech for the Vong, you could keep a 'different tech base' type thing for them with a wink towards bioengineering and have the actual Vong a technocracy with bioengineered 'drones' that serve as pilots and soldiers and slaves and etc...

Not that much different than Clone soldiers. In fact it's the same so...Ditch the bio-ships though. Perhaps you could take a historical example, like your Roman theme, and have the Vong leave their galaxy to settle in a new one because another power in their galaxy is pushing htem out. The Vong are getting their asses handed to them by their version of the Huns/Mongols so they move in on the Empires turf.

A lot of background and character intro's could be done by initial attempts of the NR and the Vong to work out a deal for the 'land'. The Vong want more than the Repub will hand over and the Vong start to see they might be more powerful than the disjointed NR.

[Knife]

The reason that Coruscant was rebuilt so quickly was that as part of the peace treaty the Yuuzhan Vong shapers helped to undo the damage to Coruscant. While Coruscant was being rebuilt the GA was located on Denon which was another planet which was one big city. .

Denon actually only had a ring-like equator cityscape.

Hmm, while I'm thinking. I think a rewrite is a good time to also take a look at the building of the new jedi order, something that was really missing in the NJO. Ditch the psuedo-neo-mystism crap and deal with some philosophy about right/wrong, good/bad, black/white/gray. Fuck the Kung Fu 1970's cliche crap.

[Academia Nut]

One idea I had for a deconstruction of biotech that you guys might find useful is that an alien species might simply be bad at working with inorganic compounds and thus rely significantly more on biology. The idea I had was of a species that lived on an oceanic world and in the course of its evolution developed very fine control over their biochemistry, enough to produce various agents consciously and ultimately to shape other life forms to their will. Thus altering another creature into a tool would come as naturally as altering a stone into a tool would come to a human, and the thought of extracting resources from rocks would be as advanced and exotic as the current biotech work we are doing.

The thing is, after long, hard efforts to actually develop interstellar technology, they find a tool using species and then actively enslave them to build better ships and weapons and such for them. So while technology on a personal scale would be organic out of cultural preference and use of use, for the big things they would have the slaves build metal hulls and fusion engines and so on. You could thus have the Yuuzhan Vong be the descendants of the slave species. You could say have a devastating war, either a rebellion or an outside invasion, leave the original bio-aliens dead and the YZ be the disoriented and confused survivors who only really know how to survive as an advanced society using the biotech of their former masters. Throw in some religious dogma and soon the only inorganic techs allowed are in the war machines, and even then they don't think of them that way. So you can have the hulls, major combat and propulsion systems, and superstructures of their ships be inorganic metals and ceramics, but the interiors being coated in biotech lifesupport and control stations and so on and so forth.

For the invasion, if you suppose that there is some sort of major disaster in their home galaxy and the SW galaxy is the closest ones, then you have the motivation for an invasion. But instead of open military invasion, have them using their biotech to do extensive plagues and forced ecosystem changes in the Outer Rim, wiping out small, unrepresented worlds and slowly spreading further rimward. But instead of a 'RAR! All tech must be destroyed!' have them enslave other species and send them out to do their fighting for them. With entire species falling ill to specially tailored and very advanced plagues, entire worlds becoming lost to ecological disasters, and the displaced people moving coreward with destruction on their mind, and you have a major problem on your hands. The Vong can stay in the background, hiding away to prevent the whole galaxy from landing on them with both feet before they can properly establish their presence, while using agent provacateurs to keep the chaos going and the NR looking away from them.

[Ender]

Hmm, as far as NJO replacements and touching a bit on tech for the Vong, you could keep a 'different tech base' type thing for them with a wink towards bioengineering and have the actual Vong a technocracy with bioengineered 'drones' that serve as pilots and soldiers and slaves and etc...

See, my take is the exact opposite. Go full biotech, but instead of trying to claim bio matches tech, have bio employ the Force to make up the difference.

[Darth Raptor]

See, my take is the exact opposite. Go full biotech, but instead of trying to claim bio matches tech, have bio employ the Force to make up the difference.

This is more or less how I see the canonical Yuuzhan Vong. A whole lot of what we see them do would make more sense if the Force were involved. And maybe that's why they appear to be 'outside' the Force. Even if they can't wield it themselves like a conventional Force-user, their stuff could be 'enchanted' (for want of a better term) to bring it to rough parity with conventional GFFA technology.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Ugh. Why mutiliate the film-established Force so far? Not to mention you're left with the same problem of how is it still SW and how will it be recognizable SW after the end of the arc. Why not combine/replace everything with Vader-esque ships, combining biowank Force-adeption with heavy metal starships.

There's a reason the Force is what it is, its supposed to be a fairy tale, after all. I think this concept goes way too far.

[Knife]

Hmm, as far as NJO replacements and touching a bit on tech for the Vong, you could keep a 'different tech base' type thing for them with a wink towards bioengineering and have the actual Vong a technocracy with bioengineered 'drones' that serve as pilots and soldiers and slaves and etc...

See, my take is the exact opposite. Go full biotech, but instead of trying to claim bio matches tech, have bio employ the Force to make up the difference.

I think a novel use of the force to counter weight the Jedi both in a war and in philosophical grounds could be interesting as long as it's not cliche and goody like the sri vi (sp?) the proto Vong from Bakura.

Perhaps a Cylon type take where they make bio computers that use the Force as a type of wi fi data connection to coordinate their ships and troops with Jedi like precog. Just no hookey virus to take them out.

[Darth Hoth]

Figures, Salvatore is not a good author, and his book was some of the most openly shitty science. "Its the Fourth State of Matter! Its below freezing! Reflecting the magic googly brain thing's magic 'energy' will cause evaporation and somehow abnormally cool the moon!" Like the entire climax of the first novel was thermodynamically impossible. I don't know what to say or think about it aside from the in-universe heroes must've had no idea what the techies on the shield ships were really doing.

I don't mind their technology being somewhat different and their culture radical. Personally I think extragalactic invasions are pretty ridiculous regardless due to logistic constraints. Or unless Anor had hatched a much deeper and more powerful crisis on a galactic level than that stupid Rhammamol or whatever crap.

It is quite amusing how the entire New Republic can be tied down by a conflict between two retarded backwater worlds that are barely space capable. Amusing in the James Bond Evil-Genius-Takes-Over-The-World way, that is...

Salvatore is no terrible author if kept on a tight leash, but one should never let him contribute original ideas to an established setting. Witness the further retardation of the Drow in the Drizzt Trilogy and onwards, or the abomination known by Man as Vector Prime.

[Darth Raptor]

Alright then, if this reboot is going to be a collaborative project, I'd really like to contribute. I like to write and I love the setting, but I'm more of a casual fan than many of the posters here. I think I could do well with the support of other authors who have a better technical and thematic understanding of Star Wars than I do. Mostly I'd just like to help out in whatever capacity I can, because it sounds like a lot of fun.

[TC Pilot]

What sort of format are you going for, anyway? Narrative? History book? Chronology?

Obvoiusly a great portion of the post-Extragalactic War era will revolve around reconstruction of the devastated region and the economic, political, and social consequences of the aftermath of one of the bloodiest and most devastating wars in galactic history. Political instability, Jedi involvement/interference, a decay in the government's ability to manage the state, and the rise of the Second Empire are all things I would suggest. Hell, I'm almost tempted to try and write my own chronology now.

[Master_Baerne]

I was thinking a chronology would be the first step, and then those who have the time and inclination could write stories-call it "corrective literature"- set in the new timeline.

[Darth Hoth]

So, is this idea dead, or should we try to make something out of it?

[Master_Baerne]

Well, I was rather hoping for a consensus as to what needs to be changed, but it doesn't look like one is forthcoming. I'll make a rough draft sometime this week, though.

[Darth Raptor]

We can't even seem to decide on where exactly in the timeline we're diverging from established continuity. Post-TUF? Pre-NJO? Post-RotJ?

Personally, while it might seem overly ambitious, I would prefer to just reboot the whole post-RotJ EU. It's not like we have to throw out all the good stuff, and ever since NecronLord shared his vision of a Galactic Civil War fought between roughly equal sides (picture Mon-Cal dreadnoughts) I've been in love with the idea.

[Darth Hoth]

Perhaps we should start a separate thread for that, with a qualified vote (i.e., not anonymous poll), if we cannot make up our minds otherwise?

[Master_Baerne]

Both are good suggestions. I'll act on them as soon as I have time.

[Darth Hoth]

Upon examining my post with the benefit of hindsight, I realise that some clarification is necessary: I meant a thread for a vote on Expanded Universe periods to revise alone, not two concurrent projects. That would probably be biting off more than we can chew.

My proposal is a project similar to DrakaFic: Basically, keep everything basically the same up to the New Jedi Order books (which would be this timeline's equivalent of the Draka War), but revise the most mindbogglingly stupid details to produce a galaxy that is internally consistent and makes sense at least most of the time. The aim, however, should still be to preserve it mostly as it is portrayed canonically; the point would be to beat down the wanktarded Vong with the assets available to the real New Republic/Empire/et cetera, not a counter-wank.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Perhaps. No biowank. However, a sincere take on the Yuuzhan Vong invasion is probably impossible; the scale is just too absurdly large. I mean you COULD do it, but it wouldn't feel or look like STAR WARS, it would the upstaging of the films to end all upstaging, and the galaxy afterward would be unrecognizable.

[Darth Hoth]

I admit it would be something of a balancing act. Still, it should not be too difficult to at the very least make it a vast improvement as compared to the actual Del Rey books.

[Master_Baerne]

I believe the question is whether or not such a balancing act would be an improvement over than simply scrapping the entire NJO, not whether we could do better.