SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK II

[RogueIce]

But those are MERC JETS!!! !! you're going overboard with that blockade.

They're still an outside military assistance, aren't they? Which gives a potential edge to one faction, and raises the risks that their involvement could spark open hositilities between the factions?

And it's not a blockade, it's a quarantine. We're not going to war with anybody.

Hell, you are instaling it already or just warning?

Warning. I suppose that means if anybody really wanted to test us, they could hurry up something now and get it in. But that would just have us begin an immediate deployment to initiate the quarantine. And would of course cause considerable displeasure.

[Shroom Man 777]

Mmm... no mercs in Libertopia, then. Though the Libertopians would so love them.

I should really get working on that merc force. Give them a pretty mix of Russian, American and European fighters. They'd be so cool! Maybe have them patrol FUN airspace or something... awesome!

[Right now, I'll assume they just have those bargain MacMillan F-18s.]

[Redleader34]

This is going to end up like the Cuban Missile Crisis of our World, but with Fun and MESS together, Sadamstan shouldn't get too scared.

Also, possible Afghanistan parallels here. Please don't let this end up too far south, I like the non nuclear world..

[PeZook]

There is another alternative to military force: maybe we should discuss insidious, evil undermining schemes like large-scale humanitarian aid?

The basic plan would look like this: Recognize all three warlords as legitimate rulers, but make it clear that we won't provide any military aid to them. Not a single AK-47, no alliances, nothing.

Then lay out the basic rules: They get humanitarian aid, and lots of it. Schools, roads, hospitals and clinics, training and equipment for farmers, craftsmen and police, diesel generators, etc.

They have to provide security for all those projects, though, and make sure corrupt officials don't try to run protection rackets (and don't run them themselves...)

If they fail to provide adequate security, we back out. If any faction attacks any other faction, they all lose all aid packages.

The idea is to make the warlords more concerned with their internal affairs than warfare. In addition, they would benefit from stability in their own territories.

Details are obviously lacking, and there would be many problems, but it's an alternative. Discuss?

[RogueIce]

I support this, with the obvious caveat that we'll have to refine it. But in broad strokes I think this is probably the most reasonable chance we have of succeeding.

I'll bring it before the rest of the MESS.

[K. A. Pital]

Great, you shook Ibrahim's lands to the point where he's losing control.

Do you even cooerdinate political and military stuff in teh MESS at all? Begs the question really.

"No interference" my ass.

[Lonestar]

Great, you shook Ibrahim's lands to the point where he's losing control.

Do you even cooerdinate political and military stuff in teh MESS at all? Begs the question really.

"No interference" my ass.

Nah, it's more like "Red on Red" oopsies. He'll have control of the city back in a week. Remember, this is Libertopia: Militias is what they do.

EDIT: And it was a Smash and Grab, as indicated, the LSRN taskforce is already heading back to the LSR. I have an idea of the BTR-60s being made from the State Factories of Saddamistan.

[General Deathdealer]

Wilkonia: King
Canissa: King
Tian Xia: Emperor (rough translation)
Grand Duchy of Baal: Duke
Principality of Tongdjiwana: Prince (assumedly)

Even if you just count the active members, that's still 3 large countries that make no bones about being monarchies.

Wilkonia I have no excuse about, Tian Xian I thought was a Parliament Republic. Baal is listed as "General" not duke, and I forgot about whatever the fuck, tongue job? was a MESS nation.

I am a Duke but also a General at the same time. I just like going by the term General.

[PeZook]

Man...those Orthodox churchites are such dicks.

- Peace be to all nations, - finished the press conference the Red Patriarch, - And let us dwell in brotherly love, but not in hatred towards each other.

Heh...I think I will arrange a little something for the Patriarch

[K. A. Pital]

Hehe, I think I might reopen Lonestar's embassies.

Even though your anglo-saxon religion in Texas is still considered heretical, cult-of-mammon oriented nonsense by the Unified Orthodox Church (UOC) and all three large Patriarchates are unanimous on that, you seem to be a nice fellow overall.

*thinks*

I'll wait and see.

Man...those Orthodox churchites are such dicks.

Actually they tried to get a positive rap after Ramsley broke loose on the MESS' "possible quarantine" statement.

I think praying for hostage saving isn't the worst course of action

[Lonestar]

Did you notice I had Ron Paul statues on every block in the city?

[PeZook]

I think praying for hostage saving isn't the worst course of action

Yeah, I meant more that they seemed to try and score political points against the Sultan

Did you notice I had Ron Paul statues on every block in the city? Razz

Yeah, I did. And Ayn Rand Memorial Mosque?

Man, I wonder what happened to Voluntaryist once he disbanded his country's government

[Coyote]

Canissia will be greatly relieved to turn this into a non-confrontational humanitarian effort.

[K. A. Pital]

Yeah well, you kinda insulted their doctrine , but the Orthodox Church is generally more calm than fundie evangelist denominations, and carries quite a lot of moderate and liberal believers, so they rebuff, but with constraint

Man, I wonder what happened to Voluntaryist once he disbanded his country's government

He died quite probably. Former rulers don't score well with anarchists and revolutionries even if they "lay down" their rule.

I'm not sure though Volly controlled all of that on his own, it was probably never fully under his contrl (his postcunt it too small for that) and he was more like a joke authority.

[DarthShady]

We at The Rag can't help but wonder: Who could be making fun of the Archieirei in such an obvious way? And why did the Archieirei's office order BodyOil immediately after receiving this controversial shipment?

PeZook you bastard, i laughed so hard i spilled my coffee.

Damn 4 pages about the goddamn libertopians. You guys sure have been busy.

[PeZook]

Yeah well, you kinda insulted their doctrine , but the Orthodox Church is generally more calm than fundie evangelist

What are you talking about? His Majesty's government had nothing to do with this incident!

...though it does consider it "Pretty funny", as the King was overheard saying

denominations, and carries quite a lot of moderate and liberal believers, so they rebuff, but with constraint

Yeah, well, that "Brotherly love" quote was just too good to pass up. I was just wondering if I should use the calendars again, or send an invitation to a BodyOil-sponsored beach volleyball match

He died quite probably. Former rulers don't score well with anarchists and revolutionries even if they "lay down" their rule.

I'm not sure though Volly controlled all of that on his own, it was probably never fully under his contrl (his postcunt it too small for that) and he was more like a joke authority.

Well, he managed to erect Ron Paul statused on every street corner

[Mr Bean]

And now the good General is thinking that his original decision is the better one, and proof is on it's way to him.

Four steps ahead should be the Royal motto I think.

[K. A. Pital]

Polygamy legalized? Wow. My nation's secular rulers don't really have to comment on that, and my clerics technically won't either (they have more urgent business to do).

But isn't polygamy an abusive practice, really? Unlike homosexuality, it's a relationship with severe psychological consequences for the female party.

[Shroom Man 777]

We can have another international crisis with polygamist mormon cults in Canissia, then.

I was thinking about humanitarian efforts in the shower, too. Before even reading this. The FUN would be cool with funding three hueg hostipals, one in each Libertian "nation", provided that the local guvmints would make sure the hostipals don't get bombed. They'll be treating everyone and I guess ought to receive international funding.

How does that sound?

[K. A. Pital]

So, is someone willing to have another tension round over Libertia? [Deathdealer apparently wants to]

[PeZook]

So, is someone willing to have another tension round over Libertia? [Deathdealer apparently wants to]

The pirates were probably bullshitting to save themselves, anyway.

What I'm wondering about is what the hell is Bean planning?

[Coyote]

Polygamy legalized? Wow. My nation's secular rulers don't really have to comment on that, and my clerics technically won't either (they have more urgent business to do).

But isn't polygamy an abusive practice, really? Unlike homosexuality, it's a relationship with severe psychological consequences for the female party.

It really depends on the nature of the polygamist relationship. After all, abuse happens in traditional marriage, too.

In real life I do not advocate the practice, but at the same time I also have to apply the same standards that one would apply to gay marriage, which is that if it is a relationship that consenting adults enter into, and there's no abuse, then it is up to the state to prove it is harmful. The problem is the abuse, not the arrangement, and abuse is already against the law.

Polygamy as we know of it in the USA is problematic and abusive because the only people that have shown a willingness to pursue it are fundamentalist whackjobs. These are the "man as head of household, uber alles" types that would be trouble in any relationship.

Polygamy is a rare and strange relationship, but it does occur. People have "open marriages" (I've met a couple with such an arrangement, they have rules and boundaries and all sorts of agreements) and some really enjoy it. It's wierd, but it's there.

[The Yosemite Bear]

note you guys are not going to like the end result of my legal system in the next couple of days....

lets just say I've already brought up the LA riots twice so far...

[Redleader34]

Hey, If one wanted to convert to Orthodox in this game, how would one go about it, out of curiosity? All this religion is making me tempted IC, after all.

[K. A. Pital]

If one wanted to convert to Orthodox in this game

Well, if your a monarchy, you could declare Orthodoxy state religion, the Baptise the nation into Christianity, like Russia did.

If you're not, you need to assess what religions you have, and look for Orthodox believers.

If there are none, we can't establish a Diocese since there's nothing to make it of. If there are, the Unified Orthodox Church (UOC) can help you with that.

P.S. Orthodox leaders have found a way to help Ramsley without any state ties, or any OMSK dealings. 550 priests volunteered for pilgrimage to the Libertian Diocese, esentially private tourism.