Stas Bush wrote:But those are MERC JETS!!! !! you're going overboard with that blockade.
They're still an outside military assistance, aren't they? Which gives a potential edge to one faction, and raises the risks that their involvement could spark open hositilities between the factions?
And it's not a blockade, it's a quarantine. We're not going to war with anybody.
Stas Bush wrote:Hell, you are instaling it already or just warning?
Warning. I suppose that means if anybody really wanted to test us, they could hurry up something now and get it in. But that would just have us begin an immediate deployment to initiate the quarantine. And would of course cause considerable displeasure.
"How can I wait unknowing?
This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight
Mmm... no mercs in Libertopia, then. Though the Libertopians would so love them.
I should really get working on that merc force. Give them a pretty mix of Russian, American and European fighters. They'd be so cool! Maybe have them patrol FUN airspace or something... awesome!
[Right now, I'll assume they just have those bargain MacMillan F-18s.]
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN! Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people - PeZook Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic Pink Sugar Heart Attack!
This is going to end up like the Cuban Missile Crisis of our World, but with Fun and MESS together, Sadamstan shouldn't get too scared.
Also, possible Afghanistan parallels here. Please don't let this end up too far south, I like the non nuclear world..
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There is another alternative to military force: maybe we should discuss insidious, evil undermining schemes like large-scale humanitarian aid?
The basic plan would look like this: Recognize all three warlords as legitimate rulers, but make it clear that we won't provide any military aid to them. Not a single AK-47, no alliances, nothing.
Then lay out the basic rules: They get humanitarian aid, and lots of it. Schools, roads, hospitals and clinics, training and equipment for farmers, craftsmen and police, diesel generators, etc.
They have to provide security for all those projects, though, and make sure corrupt officials don't try to run protection rackets (and don't run them themselves...)
If they fail to provide adequate security, we back out. If any faction attacks any other faction, they all lose all aid packages.
The idea is to make the warlords more concerned with their internal affairs than warfare. In addition, they would benefit from stability in their own territories.
Details are obviously lacking, and there would be many problems, but it's an alternative. Discuss?
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
I support this, with the obvious caveat that we'll have to refine it. But in broad strokes I think this is probably the most reasonable chance we have of succeeding.
I'll bring it before the rest of the MESS.
"How can I wait unknowing?
This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight
Great, you shook Ibrahim's lands to the point where he's losing control.
Do you even cooerdinate political and military stuff in teh MESS at all? Begs the question really.
"No interference" my ass.
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Stas Bush wrote:Great, you shook Ibrahim's lands to the point where he's losing control.
Do you even cooerdinate political and military stuff in teh MESS at all? Begs the question really.
"No interference" my ass.
Nah, it's more like "Red on Red" oopsies. He'll have control of the city back in a week. Remember, this is Libertopia: Militias is what they do.
EDIT: And it was a Smash and Grab, as indicated, the LSRN taskforce is already heading back to the LSR. I have an idea of the BTR-60s being made from the State Factories of Saddamistan.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
Beowulf wrote:
Wilkonia: King
Canissa: King
Tian Xia: Emperor (rough translation)
Grand Duchy of Baal: Duke
Principality of Tongdjiwana: Prince (assumedly)
Even if you just count the active members, that's still 3 large countries that make no bones about being monarchies.
Wilkonia I have no excuse about, Tian Xian I thought was a Parliament Republic. Baal is listed as "General" not duke, and I forgot about whatever the fuck, tongue job? was a MESS nation.
I am a Duke but also a General at the same time. I just like going by the term General.
"Don't fuck with The Mess. Unless you've been there, done that, and have the t-shirt, shut your cakehole." - Me
"By the Blood of Sanguinius" - Blood Angels Battlecry
"The enemies of the Emperor fear many things. They fear discovery, defeat, despair and death. Yet there is one thing they fear above all others. They fear the wrath of the Space Marines." - Anonymous
"This can't be good" - Sherriff Jack Carter
- Peace be to all nations, - finished the press conference the Red Patriarch, - And let us dwell in brotherly love, but not in hatred towards each other.
Heh...I think I will arrange a little something for the Patriarch
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
Hehe, I think I might reopen Lonestar's embassies.
Even though your anglo-saxon religion in Texas is still considered heretical, cult-of-mammon oriented nonsense by the Unified Orthodox Church (UOC) and all three large Patriarchates are unanimous on that, you seem to be a nice fellow overall.
*thinks*
I'll wait and see.
PeZook wrote:Man...those Orthodox churchites are such dicks.
Actually they tried to get a positive rap after Ramsley broke loose on the MESS' "possible quarantine" statement.
I think praying for hostage saving isn't the worst course of action
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Did you notice I had Ron Paul statues on every block in the city?
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
Stas Bush wrote:
I think praying for hostage saving isn't the worst course of action
Yeah, I meant more that they seemed to try and score political points against the Sultan
Lonestar wrote:Did you notice I had Ron Paul statues on every block in the city? Razz
Yeah, I did. And Ayn Rand Memorial Mosque?
Man, I wonder what happened to Voluntaryist once he disbanded his country's government
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
Canissia will be greatly relieved to turn this into a non-confrontational humanitarian effort.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Yeah well, you kinda insulted their doctrine , but the Orthodox Church is generally more calm than fundie evangelist denominations, and carries quite a lot of moderate and liberal believers, so they rebuff, but with constraint
PeZook wrote:Man, I wonder what happened to Voluntaryist once he disbanded his country's government
He died quite probably. Former rulers don't score well with anarchists and revolutionries even if they "lay down" their rule.
I'm not sure though Volly controlled all of that on his own, it was probably never fully under his contrl (his postcunt it too small for that) and he was more like a joke authority.
Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
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We at The Rag can't help but wonder: Who could be making fun of the Archieirei in such an obvious way? And why did the Archieirei's office order BodyOil immediately after receiving this controversial shipment?
PeZook you bastard, i laughed so hard i spilled my coffee.
Damn 4 pages about the goddamn libertopians. You guys sure have been busy.
Stas Bush wrote:Yeah well, you kinda insulted their doctrine , but the Orthodox Church is generally more calm than fundie evangelist
What are you talking about? His Majesty's government had nothing to do with this incident!
...though it does consider it "Pretty funny", as the King was overheard saying
Stas Bush wrote:denominations, and carries quite a lot of moderate and liberal believers, so they rebuff, but with constraint
Yeah, well, that "Brotherly love" quote was just too good to pass up. I was just wondering if I should use the calendars again, or send an invitation to a BodyOil-sponsored beach volleyball match
Stas Bush wrote:
He died quite probably. Former rulers don't score well with anarchists and revolutionries even if they "lay down" their rule.
I'm not sure though Volly controlled all of that on his own, it was probably never fully under his contrl (his postcunt it too small for that) and he was more like a joke authority.
Well, he managed to erect Ron Paul statused on every street corner
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
And now the good General is thinking that his original decision is the better one, and proof is on it's way to him.
Four steps ahead should be the Royal motto I think.
"A cult is a religion with no political power." -Tom Wolfe Pardon me for sounding like a dick, but I'm playing the tiniest violin in the world right now-Dalton
Polygamy legalized? Wow. My nation's secular rulers don't really have to comment on that, and my clerics technically won't either (they have more urgent business to do).
But isn't polygamy an abusive practice, really? Unlike homosexuality, it's a relationship with severe psychological consequences for the female party.
Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
Lì paludi, minacce, cecchini coi fucili, documenti, file notturne e clandestini
Qui incontri, lotte, passi sincronizzati, colori, capannelli non autorizzati,
Uccelli migratori, reti, informazioni, piazze di Tutti i like pazze di passioni...
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We can have another international crisis with polygamist mormon cults in Canissia, then.
I was thinking about humanitarian efforts in the shower, too. Before even reading this. The FUN would be cool with funding three hueg hostipals, one in each Libertian "nation", provided that the local guvmints would make sure the hostipals don't get bombed. They'll be treating everyone and I guess ought to receive international funding.
How does that sound?
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN! Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people - PeZook Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic Pink Sugar Heart Attack!
So, is someone willing to have another tension round over Libertia? [Deathdealer apparently wants to]
Lì ci sono chiese, macerie, moschee e questure, lì frontiere, prezzi inaccessibile e freddure
Lì paludi, minacce, cecchini coi fucili, documenti, file notturne e clandestini
Qui incontri, lotte, passi sincronizzati, colori, capannelli non autorizzati,
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Stas Bush wrote:So, is someone willing to have another tension round over Libertia? [Deathdealer apparently wants to]
The pirates were probably bullshitting to save themselves, anyway.
What I'm wondering about is what the hell is Bean planning?
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
Stas Bush wrote:Polygamy legalized? Wow. My nation's secular rulers don't really have to comment on that, and my clerics technically won't either (they have more urgent business to do).
But isn't polygamy an abusive practice, really? Unlike homosexuality, it's a relationship with severe psychological consequences for the female party.
It really depends on the nature of the polygamist relationship. After all, abuse happens in traditional marriage, too.
In real life I do not advocate the practice, but at the same time I also have to apply the same standards that one would apply to gay marriage, which is that if it is a relationship that consenting adults enter into, and there's no abuse, then it is up to the state to prove it is harmful. The problem is the abuse, not the arrangement, and abuse is already against the law.
Polygamy as we know of it in the USA is problematic and abusive because the only people that have shown a willingness to pursue it are fundamentalist whackjobs. These are the "man as head of household, uber alles" types that would be trouble in any relationship.
Polygamy is a rare and strange relationship, but it does occur. People have "open marriages" (I've met a couple with such an arrangement, they have rules and boundaries and all sorts of agreements) and some really enjoy it. It's wierd, but it's there.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Hey, If one wanted to convert to Orthodox in this game, how would one go about it, out of curiosity? All this religion is making me tempted IC, after all.
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Well, if your a monarchy, you could declare Orthodoxy state religion, the Baptise the nation into Christianity, like Russia did.
If you're not, you need to assess what religions you have, and look for Orthodox believers.
If there are none, we can't establish a Diocese since there's nothing to make it of. If there are, the Unified Orthodox Church (UOC) can help you with that.
P.S. Orthodox leaders have found a way to help Ramsley without any state ties, or any OMSK dealings. 550 priests volunteered for pilgrimage to the Libertian Diocese, esentially private tourism.
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you're going overboard with that blockade.
"
- PeZook
Begs the question really.
[Deathdealer apparently wants to]
