New Clone Wars Trailer

[Havok]

Lucas doesn't seem to be keeping consistent even with the movies. In TPM Panaka calls the Hutts "an alliance of gangs," implying that Hutt is simply a title, yet the context it's used in ROTJ (not to mention the "Huttese" language) really stretches the credulity of that, unless it's both the title and the name of the species.

Panaka says, "The Hutts are gangsters!" That doesn't contradict either one actually.
Obviously Huttese is never mentioned by name in the movie, so I am assuming that it is mentioned in the novel of ROTJ? Also other than C-3PO saying, "The great Jabba the Hutt will now listen to your pleas.", Vader saying "You may take Captain Solo to Jabba the Hutt after I have Skywalker." and Han saying, "Well, if I don't pay of Jabba the Hutt, I'm a dead man." There is no mention of his full title in the original movies. Even in TPM, when the pod race announcer says his name, it doesn't give any clue as to what Hutt means.

I'll go check the novels and see if anything else is in there.

[nightmare]

Hutt clans were established in the EU, actually.

[Anguirus]

There is "Gardulla the Hutt" of TPM, who is clearly of Jabba's species. Moreover, at this point you would need a very explicit statement to contradict the fact that "Hutt" is Jabba's species.

Hutt is a species. They also tend to be gangsters, and are organized into clans.

[Havok]

There is "Gardulla the Hutt" of TPM, who is clearly of Jabba's species. Moreover, at this point you would need a very explicit statement to contradict the fact that "Hutt" is Jabba's species.

You mean like the grand master of the Jedi order specifically saying Hutt clan?

Hutt is a species. They also tend to be gangsters, and are organized into clans.

So he is Jabba the Hutt, of the Clan Hutt, of the race/species Hutt?
What is this a Bad Company song?

Look, it really isn't that big of a deal. It just means that Jabba's species has another name besides Hutt.

[Aquatain]

That art style reminds me of Hercules(Disney) in space...I totally hate it.

[Old Plympto]

Without any references, I think Anguirus got it right.

For argument's sake, if all Jedi Knights were humans and are not a part of a larger organization like the Republic, other factions have could conceivably call them in an unofficial way "the Human Knights" even if the knights support personnel (accountants, transport, tech support) also consists of other species.

Hutt Clans would be more appropriate, because the Hutts are divided into different factions known as kajidic, which might be loosely translated as clans - as much as I can remember are units which are run but Hutts of the same family with employees / slaves of other species that run different business corporations (legal and / or otherwise) that span the galaxy.

Jabba's clan or kajidic name is "Desilijic".

So I have no problem with the script calling them the "Hutt clan" in an offhanded way, like Leia pointing at the Executor and saying, "Star Destroyer."

Edit: just in case it's not obvious, the "s" in the Hutt Clans at the start of the third paragraph above is bolded.

[Anguirus]

Look, it really isn't that big of a deal. It just means that Jabba's species has another name besides Hutt.

It would not be that big of a deal IF there was an explicit statement that "Hutt" was NOT Jabba's species.

However, it is so throughly entrenched in the EU that it is that simply saying "there is a Hutt clan" is not the same thing as saying "there is no Hutt species." Especially because, as Plympto and others have noted, the Hutt species has been divided into clans in the EU at least since the late '90s Han Solo novels.

[Havok]

Look, it really isn't that big of a deal. It just means that Jabba's species has another name besides Hutt.

It would not be that big of a deal IF there was an explicit statement that "Hutt" was NOT Jabba's species.

However, it is so throughly entrenched in the EU that it is that simply saying "there is a Hutt clan" is not the same thing as saying "there is no Hutt species." Especially because, as Plympto and others have noted, the Hutt species has been divided into clans in the EU at least since the late '90s Han Solo novels.

And we all know how well GL adheres to the EU.
For right now though, I will concede that Yoda was either referring to Jabba's specific clan or for some reason, to the Hutt species as a clan, but I'm warming up my "I told you so!!" for when after the flick hits the theaters.

[Anguirus]

^ I would expect no less.

[FSTargetDrone]

Do those Super Battle Droids look a little more rotund than as seen in the films, or am I imagining things?

[Molyneux]

Looks nice to me - though Dooku is a bit weird in this style.

It sounds to me like Palpatine could be saying "Hutt clan", as in, referring to one clan of Hutts (with Hutt referring to both the species and the crime syndicates that they are so strongly linked to).

And as a big fan of the Togruta, I wholeheartedly approve of Anakin's apprentice...though it's fairly obvious she's going to bite it before the end of the series. Anyone want to guess as to how? My bet's on her being killed off by Asajj Ventress.

[Old Plympto]

And as a big fan of the Togruta, I wholeheartedly approve of Anakin's apprentice...though it's fairly obvious she's going to bite it before the end of the series. Anyone want to guess as to how? My bet's on her being killed off by Asajj Ventress.

I dunno, man. I would like to see for once a major heroic character in an epic space opera movie or TV series just slip in the bathroom and hit his or her head on the toilet.

[Molyneux]

And as a big fan of the Togruta, I wholeheartedly approve of Anakin's apprentice...though it's fairly obvious she's going to bite it before the end of the series. Anyone want to guess as to how? My bet's on her being killed off by Asajj Ventress.

I dunno, man. I would like to see for once a major heroic character in an epic space opera movie or TV series just slip in the bathroom and hit his or her head on the toilet.

Happened, though not quite in a space opera. Remember how the Flux Capacitor came about?

And it doesn't exactly make much sense for that to happen to someone who can see the future.

[Havok]

I think it would be better if Anakin kills her.

[Darth Hoth]

No one said you did, I'm pointing out why the circumstances are different, dumbshit. Lucas owns the franchise, Karen does not. It's like trying to compare an abortion to infanticide. One has more rights because of their status.

I do not know how to be clearer than I am now: My only point was that stupidities remain stupidities even if George "Evil" Lucas approves of them, just as Travissite wanktardries remain Travissite wanktardries even if LFL approves of them. Lucas owns the franchise, he can do whatever he wants with the canon, and his say-so ranks higher than LFL's. The TV series are canon, I shall have to grant that, just as I am required to consider Jaxxon canon. I have never disputed any of this; all I have done is expressed my personal distaste for the new, conflicting story elements brought in, as well as the, in my humble opinion, bad artistry.

Again, it's not my intention to get rid of stupidities in Star Wars. Do you mean Legacy of the Force or Legacy?

Legacy of the Force, primarily. While there are elements of the Legacy comics that I do not like, they are actually quite good by the current standards of Star Wars material.

Last I'd heard the ICS and Into the Worlds are very low G-Canon, since they are extrapolations from the movies rather than just completely different stories.

As far as I know Canon Hierarchy remains:
G-Canon: Movies, Novelizations, and any manuals directly used for the movies.
T-Canon: The Clone Wars and Unknown Live-Action Series.
C-Canon: Books, Games, Comics, and Tech Manuals on EU related materials.

The way I understood it, only direct film elements portrayed in reference books, et cetera, are canon; i.e., in case of an Acclamator, the ship as such would be canon, while additional material added by the author (Saxton, in this case), such as statistics or backstory, would be C-canon. Of course, my view may be dated.

(As a sidenote, this is in no way an attempt to disregard Saxton or any such; rather, I am merely interested in how the canon hierarchy works. To me, Saxton's works remain as relevant in the C-canon, if that is were they belong.)

[Havok]

Hoth, as long as nothing in a higher canon source contradicts it, the info is valid. In the case of the Acclamator, and Saxton's info, unless GL puts stats for the thing into one of the movies or the novels, it is and will remain canon as there is no higher source that can contradict it. Just by virtue of being in that book, the info becomes G-Canon.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I do not know how to be clearer than I am now: My only point was that stupidities remain stupidities even if George "Evil" Lucas approves of them, just as Travissite wanktardries remain Travissite wanktardries even if LFL approves of them. Lucas owns the franchise, he can do whatever he wants with the canon, and his say-so ranks higher than LFL's. The TV series are canon, I shall have to grant that, just as I am required to consider Jaxxon canon. I have never disputed any of this; all I have done is expressed my personal distaste for the new, conflicting story elements brought in, as well as the, in my humble opinion, bad artistry.

And yet you still haven't shown them to be incompatable with previously known canon, whereas Karen's is.

Legacy of the Force, primarily. While there are elements of the Legacy comics that I do not like, they are actually quite good by the current standards of Star Wars material.

There's your problem, you read farther than the NJO.

The way I understood it, only direct film elements portrayed in reference books, et cetera, are canon; i.e., in case of an Acclamator, the ship as such would be canon, while additional material added by the author (Saxton, in this case), such as statistics or backstory, would be C-canon. Of course, my view may be dated.

Considering that Lucas found Saxton's books consistent enough with his universe to have them used as source material for writers and production crew in RotS, thus by proxy G-Canon, but lower than both the films and novelizations of the films.

[Darth Fanboy]

Let the Padawan live through the series, and have a follow up where she dies in Order 66.

Even better if Anakin killed her at the temple during Operation Knightfall.

[Darth Hoth]

And yet you still haven't shown them to be incompatable with previously known canon, whereas Karen's is.

Most of the retarded Traviss crap is not entirely incompatible with canon; the Clone Wars issues were rather extreme, even for her. That only makes it marginally more palatable.

As for the show: Anakin's apprentice can probably be integrated; it will hurt, but it can be done. I am more worried about whether it will turn out that Hutts are not a species.

There's your problem, you read farther than the NJO.

Perhaps I should have stopped even before that. However, stupid fan I am...

Considering that Lucas found Saxton's books consistent enough with his universe to have them used as source material for writers and production crew in RotS, thus by proxy G-Canon, but lower than both the films and novelizations of the films.

I was not aware of that. If so, then you are correct; I had gathered that they were merely ordinary guides or reference books.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Most of the retarded Traviss crap is not entirely incompatible with canon; the Clone Wars issues were rather extreme, even for her. That only makes it marginally more palatable.

Most of Traviss bullshit is just bullshit., we can deal with her in-universe characters who aren't actually involved in the war being uninformed, what we can't stand are clones and omniscient outside sources stating there's only three million clones, this is what is entirely incompatibe with canon.

[Darth Hoth]

Most of Traviss bullshit is just bullshit., we can deal with her in-universe characters who aren't actually involved in the war being uninformed, what we can't stand are clones and omniscient outside sources stating there's only three million clones, this is what is entirely incompatibe with canon.

Traviss is what broke my stance on absolute hyperinclusionism. Now I am merely a "moderate" hyperinclusionist, making allowances to rule out such outright stupidities as her numbers (and also, by extension, West End Games statistics and similar tripe).

[VT-16]

New trailer up on Yahoo:

The Clone Wars Trailer @ movies.yahoo.com

(480p, 720p, 1080p)

Apparantly, that is Christopher Lee reprising his role as Count Dooku.

[Darth Servo]

OK, whats with the stupid "swimming" space ship at the beginning.

[VT-16]

It might use those thrusts for acceleration? :P

I like how it manages to snatch an entire yacht just like that later in the trailer.

[Old Plympto]

I was under the impression that the waving tentacles had nothing to do with the ship's locomotion and only gave that illusion since it had a proper engine.