Robotech - Shadow Chronicles

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2008-05-04 08:26am

This may have been discussed before but if so, it is likely quite a ways back....
Does anyone know if there are any plans for a sequel to Shadow Chronicles?

Resinence · Post by **Resinence** » 2008-05-05 01:58am

There is a Sequel planned for release sometime in 09, thats currently in progress. Shadow Rising. Though I thought shadow cronicles was slightly mediocre, it was good enough that I'll probably watch the sequel.

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Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2008-05-05 11:26am

To me, Shadow Chronicles was an interesting and entertaining movie, although not interstellar

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-05-05 11:37am

To everyone else it was laughably terrible.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2008-05-05 12:15pm

You could give Macross Frontier a try, since there's no SC movie coming out for a while.

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2008-05-05 02:03pm

VF5SS wrote:To everyone else it was laughably terrible.

Well, maybe in your opinion but I know several people who did enjoy the movie

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2008-05-05 04:07pm

VF5SS wrote:To everyone else it was laughably terrible.

Robotech fans have notoriously poor taste. A large percentage still clamor for the completion of The Sentinels.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2008-05-05 09:25pm

Galvatron wrote:
VF5SS wrote:To everyone else it was laughably terrible.
Robotech fans have notoriously poor taste. A large percentage still clamor for the completion of The Sentinels.

It''s a decent enough movie to laugh at. It's hardly up to good Macross standards but it's definitely in the "so cheesy you can't help but laugh at it" category.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2008-05-05 09:27pm

I'm just hoping that in the second movie they explain how Ariel's boobs tripled in size.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2008-05-05 09:33pm

Old Plympto wrote:I'm just hoping that in the second movie they explain how Ariel's boobs tripled in size.

Clearly discovering how to use the Invid power-glow she used it to enhance her bust.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-05-05 10:30pm

Xess wrote:
It''s a decent enough movie to laugh at. It's hardly up to good Macross standards but it's definitely in the "so cheesy you can't help but laugh at it" category.

It's not even up to Mospeada's standards or any decent sci-fi for that matter. They even managed to throw in an "escape the black hole with technobabble" scene. How do you watch Mospeada and decide that's what was missing?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2008-05-05 10:43pm

Speaking of that, I'm gonna take an opportunity to ask something I've been wondering about for a while: do Robotech fans as a generalized whole really care a whole lot about the Southern Cross and Mospeada portions of the show? It seems like the vast majority of coverage and stuff like merchandise Robotech gets focuses almost entirely around the material adapted from Macross; you see hardly anything from the later two parts.

Heck, even here on the board it seems like "Robotech = just Macross."

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2008-05-05 10:58pm

I saw very little of 'Southern Cross', so I really can't pass judgment on the series, but I LOVED the mecha designs in 'Mospeada'. The Beta Fighter was big, tough, and carried LOTS of weapons. The Cyclones... Come on, who doesn't want a motorcycle that can transform into power armor, jump around through the use of rockets, and rain a shitload of missiles on some unlucky foe?

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2008-05-05 11:06pm

Back in my teenage years, I went through more of Southern Cross than the others. My most well-read Brian Daley-James Luceno-gestalt-entity novel adaptations were the three SC novels. And when I got my hands on the RPG, I ran the Southern Cross campaign. Hell, I wanted a Spartas and one of them hoverbikes.

However, I've not seen any of the episodes for over 15 years, so I can't say if this opinion still stands.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2008-05-05 11:14pm

Galvatron wrote:Robotech fans have notoriously poor taste. A large percentage still clamor for the completion of The Sentinels.

Seriously?
I like robotech, even liked shadow chronicles a little bit, but I sure as hell wouldn't want any sort of animated completion of the sentinels.

I think I gave up reading the sentinels books right when the nutjob badguy used some invid bio-tech to make attack mecha that looked like giant naked copies of lisa hunter with machineguns for tits. (that is not a joke.) I remember putting the book down and convincing myself that the entire book series was a drug-induced hallucination.

The comics were slightly better, but still nothing to have people frothing at the mouth over.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2008-05-05 11:26pm

VF5SS wrote:It's not even up to Mospeada's standards or any decent sci-fi for that matter. They even managed to throw in an "escape the black hole with technobabble" scene. How do you watch Mospeada and decide that's what was missing?

You'd have to ask the folks who actually made the movie. I enjoy it the same way I enjoy watching B-movies about evil body snatching sea urchins, laughing at how damn stupid the whole concept is.

I don't know any hard-core Robotech fans but the one I do know liked the Southern Cross and Mospeada bits of it as well. I found Southern Cross to be asinine and the Mospeada part as brain rotting filth. I wanted every single bloody character in the Mospeada section to die a horrible horrible death. It's like watching Voyager except every cast member is Neelix.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2008-05-06 12:13am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Speaking of that, I'm gonna take an opportunity to ask something I've been wondering about for a while: do Robotech fans as a generalized whole really care a whole lot about the Southern Cross and Mospeada portions of the show?

I do, but I'm not the average Robotech fan. I'm a purist asshole the same way I am with Star Wars.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-05-06 06:46am

Sidewinder wrote:Come on, who doesn't want a motorcycle that can transform into power armor, jump around through the use of rockets, and rain a shitload of missiles on some unlucky foe?

That would be the people cruising around in transforming F-14s.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-05-06 08:16am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Speaking of that, I'm gonna take an opportunity to ask something I've been wondering about for a while: do Robotech fans as a generalized whole really care a whole lot about the Southern Cross and Mospeada portions of the show? It seems like the vast majority of coverage and stuff like merchandise Robotech gets focuses almost entirely around the material adapted from Macross; you see hardly anything from the later two parts.

Heck, even here on the board it seems like "Robotech = just Macross."

There are hardcore fans like that who love the Southern Cross portion over everything. One of them even posts here haha. I don't really remember the Robotech version of Southern Cross, but I found the originally to be a pretty neat show. ADV overpriced the hell out of it ($99.99 for 23 episodes?). I actually liked it better than Mospeada in many respects. Mospeada's big problem is that the design work and original premise are kinda done a bit of an injustice by Tatsunoko who seemed to make the show a lot more silly than the original idea of "Invasion of Normandy with robots." Granted, some of the early concepts for Mospeada were also kinda silly. Originally the Mospeada bike was meant to transform into the head of the Legioss fighter.

In regards to Spanky's question, the best information I have comes from Roger Harkavy, who is known for being the guy who discovered several pieces of pre-production artwork for Southern Cross and Mospeada and has been trying to get them published in America. This is a bit of hearsay, but his talks with Tommy Yune have revealed that market research indicates people only associate with the Macross portion. Which sucks for them since Big West now owns the IP rights to Macross which prevents Harmony Gold from doing any kind of sequel using those designs and characters. I've also heard that Southern Cross's merchandising rights are also owned by Big West. Oddly enough, Southern Cross is not listed on Tatsunoko's website despite all of the design work coming from their studios, however it is on the Big West site right next to Orguss. Big West seemed to be really keen on making the "Super Dimension" series all theirs. This leaves Robotech just as Mospeadatech haha.

TheFeniX · Post by **TheFeniX** » 2008-05-06 06:08pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Speaking of that, I'm gonna take an opportunity to ask something I've been wondering about for a while: do Robotech fans as a generalized whole really care a whole lot about the Southern Cross and Mospeada portions of the show? It seems like the vast majority of coverage and stuff like merchandise Robotech gets focuses almost entirely around the material adapted from Macross; you see hardly anything from the later two parts.

I think most of it does focus on the original Macross/Robotech Gen I. People are always wanting to see an extension of Rick Hunter's story, with the tie ins to Southern Cross on the back burner.

Also, I'm a huge fan of the series. I own every Robotech DVD, read the novels, and own a number of models/toys and I found Shadow Chronicles to be painful to watch. It mainly came down to the fighter animation looking like it costs 20 bucks and was made for a Saturday morning kids cartoon. I would have actually preferred the old 80's crappy animation from the original series. The storyline was also pretty nonsensical and recycled themes already beaten to death in the series.

CycloneRider052 · Post by **CycloneRider052** » 2008-05-10 03:44pm

TheFeniX wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Speaking of that, I'm gonna take an opportunity to ask something I've been wondering about for a while: do Robotech fans as a generalized whole really care a whole lot about the Southern Cross and Mospeada portions of the show? It seems like the vast majority of coverage and stuff like merchandise Robotech gets focuses almost entirely around the material adapted from Macross; you see hardly anything from the later two parts.
I think most of it does focus on the original Macross/Robotech Gen I. People are always wanting to see an extension of Rick Hunter's story, with the tie ins to Southern Cross on the back burner.

Also, I'm a huge fan of the series. I own every Robotech DVD, read the novels, and own a number of models/toys and I found Shadow Chronicles to be painful to watch. It mainly came down to the fighter animation looking like it costs 20 bucks and was made for a Saturday morning kids cartoon. I would have actually preferred the old 80's crappy animation from the original series. The storyline was also pretty nonsensical and recycled themes already beaten to death in the series.

Heard that. Only reason I own RSC is that it keeps my collection complete. The animation was decent, (Though there were quite a lot of errors, like Scott going from being in uniform to armored in a single shot)
the music was 'feh', and the dialogue was terrible. Knowing a few of the people who worked on the production, it ended up VERY different than the original plan, mostly due to Yune's bizarre ability to get flashy looking crap out. The original series wasn't a paragon of brilliant writing by any stretch of the imagination, but this had more cringe worthy moments in an hour and a half then 85 episodes of the original series, TUS AND Sentinels combined.

There were plenty of good story threads left at the end of the series and many good (Though usually poorly executed) ideas in the novels to use.

At least it's getting us some at least decent looking Cyclone toys finally.

Still wondering where the hell my Hovertank and Bioroids are though.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-05-10 11:58pm

CycloneRider052 wrote: Heard that. Only reason I own RSC is that it keeps my collection complete.

Man, its this kind of shit that makes this crap #2 for Funimation DVD sales.

At least it's getting us some at least decent looking Cyclone toys finally.

What? Those toys were going to be made because Mospeada's having its 25th anniversary soon. I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with Shadow Chronicles.

Still wondering where the hell my Hovertank and Bioroids are though.

As far as I know, Big West owns many key rights to Southern Cross. It doesn't help that the show is pretty obscure in Japan and Robotech fans hate it anyway. With the way it was hacked up, I can't blame them.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2008-05-12 07:19pm

Funny, I just got through watching it again today. I actually liked it a little more than I did when I first saw it.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2008-05-12 08:20pm

It smacked of a Rick Berman production to me.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-05-13 07:09am

Well, I watched al ittle of it, and I'm not impressed. The CG struck me as being somewhere between 'ordinary' and 'oh. Damn'. The backgrounds we're terribly exciting either, with their boring flat blackness which made the models sstand out as being awful. Worst Itano Circus ever as well, though I'd hesitate to call it that.

Couldn't tal to you about the writing or what have you, just looking at the visuals.