SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK III

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I'm more than willing to set up embassies. In fact, effective immediately, I will send some right now, except the Sultan. God knows where he is now *hints hints*

[Raj Ahten]

Looks like Sea Skimmer is about to hit somebody with a WMD ship-O-doom. 2 to 1 odds says the Sultan is the target.

Also, about those aircraft I want. ProTec plans to use them for essentially an airline to Alexander's territory and to replace some lost heavy lift capacity. The only way I could use them offensively is to seize iarfields, a rather dangerous proposition. (or use paratroopers, but that is pretty much bryond them.) So, anyone willing to sell?

[Mr Bean]

If you need airliners Stas is the man to talk to for cheap high capability ones. If you want Fuel efficient birds talk to Beowulf.

If you need surplus, come to me, everything must go!

Time for some economic news

To all STGOD Players
Some of us when we set down our countries layed out what resources we had on hand, most did not. The forumal most people use is Pick two, you have enough for major exports of that, pick four you have enough for small exports of those, and everything else you have only in tiny amounts.

Examples
The Red Technocracy is a Net Oil and Iron Ore Exporter
The Shadow Empire is a Net Oil and Diamond Exporter
The Kingdom of Zorian is a Net Coal and has large Uranium Deposites, no word yet on Zorian exports
The Sovereign Duchy of Baerne is a Net Oil Exporter and has large Tin deposits
Wilkonia is a Silver exporter, not sure which is his number 2 top supply
The UKB is a Gold and Tungstun Exporter.

The idea is everyone here in the game as said, picks two major resources and four minor ones to give a rough idea on exporting and economy growth.

Be careful what you pick, for example right now there's enough Oil that Oil is likely around 4 dollars a barrel AT MOST. This is 1900's America, Oil is all over the place.

If you want my advise look to what is not yet supplied and pick that, if someone else picks it, it might be worth it to pick it too, but like oil, be careful past two people. A fourth person will likley crash the prices. This is especially true in highly precious metals.


List of Resources
Aluminum
Antimony
Bismuth
Cadmium
Chrome
Cobalt
Columbium
Copper
Germanium
Gold
Indium
Iron Ore
Iridium
Lead
Magnesium
Manganese
Mercury
Molybdenum
Nickel
Palladium
Platinum
Rhenium
Rhodium
Ruthenium
Selenium
Silicon
Silver
Tantalum
Tellurium
Tin
Titanium
Tungsten
Uranium
Vanadium
Wolframite
Zinc
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Have at it, pick two major resources, and four minor ones.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Just curious, but how much does it cost to purchase a Visby class corvette? The Byzantine Dromon class corvette is essentially a Visby under a different name, and I may be interested in acquiring either the baseline Dromon or the minesweeper variant.

[Sea Skimmer]

180 million dollars, with a very minimal suit of equipment included in that price. The thing is built of some very expensive carbon fiber reinforced plastic, which means it can be utterly destroyed in a fire, something which happened to a Norwegian air cushion mine counter measures ship built of similar material. It also loses its stealth abilities when it moves at a significant speed, though for Swedish geography this was still seen as being useful. In comparison an AEGIS frigate runs at around 500-700 million and an AEGIS destroyer at 1 billion.

[Lonestar]

The LSR has plenty of oil,(been grandfathered in and all), and Uranium.

We also have Lead, Iron, copper, and precious, precious, silicon.

[Sea Skimmer]

Lonestar, just to be clear the waste ships small corvette escorts, which accompany all ships entering and leaving Saddamistani harbors at the moment, turned away, and the patrol plane is distant, it can easily scan 250 miles with its radar so it doesn’t have to go close to do its job. The ship could easily suspicious because anything leaving port raises suspicions, but it would not be obviously more important then normal.

[Lonestar]

Lonestar, just to be clear the waste ships small corvette escorts, which accompany all ships entering and leaving Saddamistani harbors at the moment, turned away, and the patrol plane is distant, it can easily scan 250 miles with its radar so it doesn’t have to go close to do its job. The ship could easily suspicious because anything leaving port raises suspicions, but it would not be obviously more important then normal.

It doesn't have to, but for the purposes of MIO patrol aircraft(be it P-3s, or carrier/ship based) will overfly a civilian vessel to take a look with a cameras to see what the crew is doing. At least, that has been the case in my experience.

[Sea Skimmer]

It doesn't have to, but for the purposes of MIO patrol aircraft(be it P-3s, or carrier/ship based) will overfly a civilian vessel to take a look with a cameras to see what the crew is doing. At least, that has been the case in my experience.

Yeah I know, I just wanted to be clear that its not a dead giveaway of trouble coming as it would be if it really did have a Saddamistani task group openly escorting it.

[Sea Skimmer]

Saddamistan has Phosphate, Manganese, and also Titanium, Iron Ore, Cobalt, Uranium for major and minor export materials.

Edited to replace Nickel with phosphate

[Raj Ahten]

Well Mr. Bean, Surplus aircraft are good, as the prices are likely rock bottom! What do you have up for sale? I am also Interested in what Stas has to offer. You willing to sell any big Antonov's? AN-22's would be nice, due to their rough landing capability and a few AN-225's just for moving sheer weight.

Anyone out there still selling surplus or otherwise cheap helicopters? Is anyone actuallly producing Gazelle's?


And as far as Indhopal's metals goes, I don't know yet. A mineral survey is currently underway.

[CmdrWilkens]

I'm pretty certain I placed either Aluminum or Iron as one of my top items with Copper coming in as an also ran. Let me look back over it because I know my overall #1 export industry is BioMed with Shipbuilding 2nd.

Side note on that tiny nations with huge deposits would still have less available for export than a mid or large nation with the same resources as a small desposit. Again a huge nation with a small export in a resource probably has more than a mid-size large export.

[Raj Ahten]

Side note on that tiny nations with huge deposits would still have less available for export than a mid or large nation with the same resources as a small desposit. .

Well that depends on the metal. Some rare minerals are found in only very specific places in the world. New Caledonia for instance has 25% of the worlds Nickel reserves for instance, and it's tiny.

[Vohu Manah]

Added natural resource notation to my world entry.

[Mr Bean]

Side note on that tiny nations with huge deposits would still have less available for export than a mid or large nation with the same resources as a small desposit. Again a huge nation with a small export in a resource probably has more than a mid-size large export.

By defintion a tiny nation can't HAVE a huge export, unless you have buildings made of gold for example, only a Tsdardom and above have enough land-mass for decent gold deposites. Uranium, Coal, and Nickle on the other hand it's much more likely to fit large deposits in small areas.

OAN:Deathdealer your math checks out but for one thing, which I had no idea about so I'm going to run your math by Wrym because of something he noted called Ampère's force law, which I have never heard about but some-how would affect a coilgun. If he says or you can demonstrate this EM saturation effect would have no impact then fine by me. The secondary question of how long the gun would be because I honestly don't know how to go about calculating that.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Just curious, but how much does it cost to purchase a Visby class corvette? The Byzantine Dromon class corvette is essentially a Visby under a different name, and I may be interested in acquiring either the baseline Dromon or the minesweeper variant.

I'll probably sell it between 150-200 million depending on the mission package you want. It's a pretty customizable corvette.

In general, if you want a Mine Sweeping + ASW + helicopter platform, 180 million. If you want Anti-ship + ASW + helicopter, probably 180 million.

[Zor]

The Sovereign Kingdom of Zoria's Mineral Wealth is primarallly Aluminium and Copper, with oil, Tungsten, silicon and iron ore being secondary resources.

Zor

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

On a side note, here are my picks for metals:

minor:
Niobium
Iron
Uranium
Aluminium

Major:
Titanium
Copper

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

Mangka:

Edit
Major: Silicon, Iron ore,

Minor: Titanium, Tellurium, Mercury, Rhodium

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Just curious, but how much does it cost to purchase a Visby class corvette? The Byzantine Dromon class corvette is essentially a Visby under a different name, and I may be interested in acquiring either the baseline Dromon or the minesweeper variant.

I'll probably sell it between 150-200 depending on the mission package you want. It's a pretty customizable corvette.

Suddenly, I'm not so sure about the viability of the Visby/Dromon after reading what Sea Skimmer had to write about how a Norwegian ship made of similar materials as the Visby class was destroyed in a fire. Also, I'd like to see how much the Frankenthal class mine hunters being offered by Canissia go for first.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Just curious, but how much does it cost to purchase a Visby class corvette? The Byzantine Dromon class corvette is essentially a Visby under a different name, and I may be interested in acquiring either the baseline Dromon or the minesweeper variant.

I'll probably sell it between 150-200 depending on the mission package you want. It's a pretty customizable corvette.

Suddenly, I'm not so sure about the viability of the Visby/Dromon after reading what Sea Skimmer had to write about how a Norwegian ship made of similar materials as the Visby class was destroyed in a fire. Also, I'd like to see how much the Frankenthal class mine hunters being offered by Canissia go for first.

http://www.sp.se/sv/units/fire/Document ... 37_eng.pdf

This PDF suggests that various steps were taken to reduce the fire hazard. The ship offered by Cannisia would be obviously a lot cheaper since it's just made of aluminum or steel, not to mention, it's only a mine hunter and doesn't do ASW operations or what.

Note that I do employ the corvettes modified with a lot of steel in their superstructure ( modification for the Coast Guard and Navy) because they have Greek Fire weapons on board. Just for the obvious reasons.

[The Yosemite Bear]

The Bear Republic Exports Food, Aluminum (though usually in machined form, aircraft ect.), & Uranium.

[K. A. Pital]

I am also Interested in what Stas has to offer. You willing to sell any big Antonov's? AN-22's would be nice, due to their rough landing capability and a few AN-225's just for moving sheer weight.

Antonov and Ilyushin: An-12, An-22A, An-22P gunship, An-26/32, An-72, Il-76MF, An-124-100, An-225

Civilian Il-96-400 are available, and Beriev AI or A-50 AEW&C planes, too.


Black Sormovo:
- hovercrafts - Sormovich (fast civilian hovercraft), Bora (hovercraft fast heavy missile boat), ekranoplans: Pr.904 A-90 Orlyonok, Pr.902 Lun, and the KM-class
- hydrofoils - civilian and military

Tupolev: Tu-344-100, Tu-214 short and medium range twinjets, Tu-144/D/LL supersonic jetliner, in variants, Tu-95-MS16 bomber, Tu-160 bomber, Tu-22M3 bomber, Tu-123 DBR-1 Yastreb supersonic drone

Anyone out there still selling surplus or otherwise cheap helicopters? Is anyone actuallly producing Gazelle's?

Yakovlev-Kamov-Mil Helicopter Company: Mi-34, Mi-28A, Mi-26, Mi V-12, Ka-27, Yak-24

It also sells the popular Yak-130 trainer jet.

[phongn]

A few of the items on the list make little sense. I mean, Si?! Everyone should have enormous quantities of that stuff.

Anyways, the IRT has this:

Major: Vanadium, Molybdenum
Minor: Iridium, Palladium, Germanium, Rhenium

Mining concerns in Alexandria are mostly for conventional resources like iron, copper, etc.

EDIT: Also, I know I've been a bit idle in-game but please remember the IRT has significant interests and investment in Alexandria.

[Sea Skimmer]

A few of the items on the list make little sense. I mean, Si?! Everyone should have enormous quantities of that stuff.

Speaking of that, I decided the list was missing one big mineral resource, phosphate. Since Iraq is actually a major phosphate producer in real life, Saddamistan is now the world leading supplier of phosphate and refined fertilizer.

http://www.sp.se/sv/units/fire/Document ... 37_eng.pdf

This PDF suggests that various steps were taken to reduce the fire hazard.

Yeah, specifically because of the extreme fire danger from a plastic warship, did you see the part in which they say a jet fuel fire will ignite the laminated hull within 1 minute? That active system is required simply for safety against landing accidents, it doesn’t have any real bearing on a fire anywhere else in the ship.

The Norwegian minehunter KNM Orkla had her fire start in the engine room. The bridge had to be abandon IIRC after just seven minutes, and the ship was abandon soon after. Extensive firefighting efforts from nearby ships failed to save her, and the thing burned until the fire let in water, then sank. Couple pictures, notice you can clearly see in one how large chunks of superstructure are gone, burned away.

http://www.haram.kommune.no/bilder/orkla2.jpg
http://www.marineschepen.nl/nieuws/20112002nieuws.html