SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK III

[CmdrWilkens]

Examples
The Red Technocracy is a Net Oil and Iron Ore Exporter
The Shadow Empire is a Net Oil and Diamond Exporter
The Kingdom of Zorian is a Net Coal and has large Uranium Deposites, no word yet on Zorian exports
The Sovereign Duchy of Baerne is a Net Oil Exporter and has large Tin deposits
Wilkonia is a Silver exporter, not sure which is his number 2 top supply
The UKB is a Gold and Tungstun Exporter.

Bean, this is what I was referencing. You had already posted that i was a major silver exporter back in pg 6 so I didn't figure I would need to mention it again.

Anyway to avoid making the story any longer here is the final list for Wilkonia, my ref thread has been updated to reflect:

Iron #1
Silver #2 (both major)

Copper
Chromium
Zinc
Bauxite/Aluminum (all minor)

Side note to all of this: Part of the reason for the Chromium and Zinc deposits is that I have a very large Galvanized and, more importantly, Stainless Steel industry supporting the bio-medical establishment

[Mr Bean]

Bean, this is what I was referencing. You had already posted that i was a major silver exporter back in pg 6 so I didn't figure I would need to mention it again.

My memory is limited. As I said, I went through and only refernced all posts since I posted a listen up everyone. I did not go back and check the posts from earlier. Which I should.

And no Rogue, your not important, meanwhile The Lonestar Republic and Tian Xia are next-door and I want to know what my nearby neighbor's have.

I'll update the list again this evening, everyone not already mentioned please get updating.

[Raj Ahten]

Oh no! Sadamistan's accident will now spawn Godzilla! Though it wouldn'e be too bad if he just ravaged Sadaamistan

[Mr Bean]

OAN, our world is roughly 5120 KM's wide(At least the map is that wide) and 7724 km's tall(Or the map is anyway)

So one satellite in the central bay of the UKB is sufficient to provide the entire map with weather from a GEOS designed satellite. Which means that the satellites stationed on the edges of the map can see about as far as the entire length of the map AGIAN out into the ocean.

Now all they can see is weather, not bugs on a windshield, and weather is big and easy to see, but they can get weather-currents, airflow, (With TRMM's they can also get rainfall)

So once this first one goes up, we will have the old fashion Old Earth equivalent of full Doppler style weather detection but done from orbit. At least that's what the GEOS design claims it can pull. But hello Meteorologists, it's a good time to be in the business, finally you get your own uber-tech.

[phongn]

So Terra Libertia= Nautral Gas(Ma), Oil(min), Coal(Ma), Antimony(min) Copper(min, and Iron Ore(min) since IRT is the one mining there I want Phongn's input on that natural resource list.

You're missing Ga, for one; it's probably a lot more useful than iridium. Some elements are commonly mined with others as well (Rh with Pt, for example) Why post wolfamite when it's a mineral that mostly provides tungsten? Are we assuming He production comes from NG wells (as they do on Earth)?

Would nanotech clouds be viable and meaningful in the term of a real life year or two? It would mean 12-24 years. I want my Krsniks dammit

I'm thinking no.

Side note to all of this: Part of the reason for the Chromium and Zinc deposits is that I have a very large Galvanized and, more importantly, Stainless Steel industry supporting the bio-medical establishment

Well, if you look at my list, well, you can see it has quite a few elements critical for use with high-strength steels

[Mr Bean]

You're missing Ga, for one; it's probably a lot more useful than iridium. Some elements are commonly mined with others as well (Rh with Pt, for example) Why post wolfamite when it's a mineral that mostly provides tungsten? Are we assuming He production comes from NG wells (as they do on Earth)?

Because I can honestly admit I am mostly ignorant of Material's Science. The list I got was via going to the Commodities Market and copying down all listed metals, which is why I had to add in things like Oil and Natural Gas, and Coal.

Which is why I double-listed things like Wolframite. That and I was shooting for maxium Tungsten production. The entire world produces 45,000 tons of Tungsten, of which China produces half, so to get to that magic 25,000 ton number I need both raw pure(Only found in China and Korea) and Tungstun ore(Which is Wolframite) which is found everywhere.

Or so my Wiki and Google searchs have told me. If you want to produce a new condensed and upgraded list feel free.

[CmdrWilkens]

Side note to all of this: Part of the reason for the Chromium and Zinc deposits is that I have a very large Galvanized and, more importantly, Stainless Steel industry supporting the bio-medical establishment

Well, if you look at my list, well, you can see it has quite a few elements critical for use with high-strength steels

Yeah I would have included either Tungsten or Molybedenum in order to allow me to locally produce more tool steels and HSLA steels but I had already declared Aluminum and I felt that I should leave myself with at least one weakness in the process of trying to maintain the world's largest navy. So yeah having you as a next door neighbor is very useful.

[Lonestar]

Infrastructure! Infrastructure!


FORWARD INFRASTRUCTURE!

[Mr Bean]

/OOC the distance at this point is only a few miles further apart than the Straights of Dover so I'm basing my timeline on a slightly less fumbled and overestimated version of the Chunnel project. The difference being the Chunnel timeline is enough to get the first 2 tunnels operational then another few years to finish the third.

So you plan to start it now, cancel it, start building it twenty years later but stop because your worried about Lonestar invading you, then stop again, then wish you built it when Germany invades your ass, then start, then stop cause oil's too expensive, then stop, then start, then cut the project back and then finally start and finish it in 1994 after starting it one hundred and ten years earlier in 1880.

Since you don't face invasion by the German's I think you can shave at least 50 years off that timeline.

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Or Do you?

[Mr Bean]

OAN, am I reading this right? The Falcon 5 can lift 1/40 what a Proton-M can but costs 1/5 what a Proton-M costs counting assembly, launch-pad and fuel(90 million is the listed price) while the Wiki lists Falcon 5 as 18 million each.

Now it's better to GEO it becomes 1/20, but unless you have a tiny satellite seems the economic of a Proton slaughter a Falcon.

phongn what am I missing with your new "world leading" rocket?

[phongn]

phongn what am I missing with your new "world leading" rocket?

Good lord, can't you tell that I was writing marketing BS?

OAN, am I reading this right? The Falcon 5 can lift 1/40 what a Proton-M can but costs 1/5 what a Proton-M costs counting assembly, launch-pad and fuel(90 million is the listed price) while the Wiki lists Falcon 5 as 18 million each.

What, there isn't a market for varying types of rockets? I didn't claim that the F5 had the heaviest load lifting. And Proton-M is overkill for a lot of load requirements.

Now it's better to GEO it becomes 1/20, but unless you have a tiny satellite seems the economic of a Proton slaughter a Falcon.

You forget that the F5 leads very nicely into the F9 and F9-Heavy, both of which compare very favorably with Proton-M. Further refinements, such as thurst-augmented nozzles (still in development) will push the Falcon line to even greater heights, plus I can reuse parts of it.

[The Yosemite Bear]

BTW what does my claiming to have lots of volcanic Glass (specifically obsidion) count as?

[Sea Skimmer]

Okay, since I wasn’t aware this was only our export minerals, and we have some over concentration on certain elements, I’m amending Saddamistan exports. I’ve replaced Titanium with Zirconium, which no one currently has that I can see, and uranium with Cadmium which is also without suppliers.

So Saddamistan has Phosphate and Manganese as major exports, and Zirconium, Iron Ore, Cobalt, and Cadmium for minor export materials.

[Sea Skimmer]

Oh no! Sadamistan's accident will now spawn Godzilla! Though it wouldn'e be too bad if he just ravaged Sadaamistan

Now that Saddamistans intricate scheme to semi safely dump nuclear waste in secret by expending an entire ship has failed, the follow on effort with use much less tact.

Those hazy intelligence reports you’re all getting about Saddamistan building a 2,000 ton beartrap with rocket assisted closing are mere figments of your spies imaginations…

[Lonestar]

Accident discovered!

[Sea Skimmer]

You know its not terribly important one way or another, but ten times that much radioactive waste wouldn’t kill fish out of hand, the ocean is just too big and blocks all forms of radiation. I mentioned the issue of the empty shipping containers floating specifically so that you could discover those, and then make the connection to a Saddamistani ship which is never seen again. I was hoping to get at least a couple shiploads on the bottom before anyone detected the radiation plume, but I guess plans can be advanced.

[CmdrWilkens]

So you plan to start it now, cancel it, start building it twenty years later but stop because your worried about Lonestar invading you, then stop again, then wish you built it when Germany invades your ass, then start, then stop cause oil's too expensive, then stop, then start, then cut the project back and then finally start and finish it in 1994 after starting it one hundred and ten years earlier in 1880.

Since you don't face invasion by the German's I think you can shave at least 50 years off that timeline.

Ominous music
Or Do you?

"You got a gun in yer trousers"
"Its for protection."
"From who Tommy? Ze Germans?"

Anyway the final project was 88-94 for 2 single track tunnels. I figure I can get the first two double-tracked tunnels in the same timeframe given that 1) There is enough government funding that I don't have to short-change costs for speed which might actually save time in th long run and 2) Knowledge of the errors to which the Chunnel was prone means the civil engineers running the project already have a good idea what NOT to do.

So basically by Christmas I should have the first and possibly the seocnd tunnel operational...barring delays or mutant godzilla attacks.

Completely unrelated note: My ForceDec is now updated and highly compressed. The government and economics sections have been turned into linked files. Military info including Navy and AF OOBs are still fully available (and current to mid 2010).

[CmdrWilkens]

BTW what does my claiming to have lots of volcanic Glass (specifically obsidion) count as?

That would be something not really covered under metallic and/or valuable minerals which is really the big thing. I mean nobody has yet made claims to having the best sources of refractory ceramics and its not really something we've covered so that's probably the category under which volcanic glass would fall.

[The Yosemite Bear]

You know its not terribly important one way or another, but ten times that much radioactive waste wouldn’t kill fish out of hand, the ocean is just too big and blocks all forms of radiation. I mentioned the issue of the empty shipping containers floating specifically so that you could discover those, and then make the connection to a Saddamistani ship which is never seen again. I was hoping to get at least a couple shiploads on the bottom before anyone detected the radiation plume, but I guess plans can be advanced.

I was figuring that someones heavy water processing plant would discover that the amount of harvestable Deuterium had been increased. BTW note that the oversized birds are simply Ostriches breed for pit fighting. They are bigger and more aggressive then normal ostriches. A pair of Hens can still pull a cart at 40-60kph.

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yes, I did it just for the "Arms for Ostriches" pun?

[Lonestar]

You know its not terribly important one way or another, but ten times that much radioactive waste wouldn’t kill fish out of hand, the ocean is just too big and blocks all forms of radiation. I mentioned the issue of the empty shipping containers floating specifically so that you could discover those, and then make the connection to a Saddamistani ship which is never seen again. I was hoping to get at least a couple shiploads on the bottom before anyone detected the radiation plume, but I guess plans can be advanced.

To be honest, I wanted to work in a Forrest Gump Reference.

[Shroom Man 777]

Blastification has Cadmium, Skimmer

"So why didn't you bust a cap on his ass?"

Mang, Snatch.

EDIT:

And is the Libertia Conference in Atlantis still continuing?

[Sea Skimmer]

Whatever, two suppliers is fine, or even more, we just don’t need five people dealing out things. Its a toxic heavy metal, and useful for making weapons, batteries and all those space booster guidance systems, so who doesn't need it? Zirconium meanwhile is vital for Saddamistans investments in practical mobile and static fission technology.

[Coyote]

BTW what does my claiming to have lots of volcanic Glass (specifically obsidion) count as?

That would be something not really covered under metallic and/or valuable minerals which is really the big thing. I mean nobody has yet made claims to having the best sources of refractory ceramics and its not really something we've covered so that's probably the category under which volcanic glass would fall.

I took Primary, Secondary... and Tertiary exports-- "soft" stuff like non-minerals (Cotton) and cultural items like Hit Singles (thanks, "Sid Meier's Civilization-IV"). And things like incense. I just like the idea of Nova Terra's hippies all burning Canissian incense.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I took Primary, Secondary... and Tertiary exports-- "soft" stuff like non-minerals (Cotton) and cultural items like Hit Singles (thanks, "Sid Meier's Civilization-IV"). And things like incense. I just like the idea of Nova Terra's hippies all burning Canissian incense.

Well, the Orthodox church happens to use plenty of incense... no doubt Byzantium has some of its own stocks somewhere, but Red Technocracy might buy some of that for its own use (and other churches around).

[phongn]

Well, the main issue with the resource list is that most of the naturally-occurring elements are useful in some way or another and the list of "pick some!" can't really account for that.