SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK III

[The Yosemite Bear]

it's the Canissian Incense to cover up the smell of the Bear republic pot....

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

To be dutifully honest, if we are going to haggle over that inexhaustible list of precious elements, we are going to soon realise that there will be a number of elements that will be quite expensive.

[Shroom Man 777]

There has to be a limit to how detailed we get with our gameplay. If we go too far, it will really turn-off our more casual players (like me) and then the only ones who are playing will be the number-crunchers with scientific calculators.

*shrugs*

[The Yosemite Bear]

probably

[Mr Bean]

The purpose of the export list is to provide extra detail for nations, not to say Ahah you have no Gold so your country is poor, or without Uranium you must get your stocks from another nation.

The reasons I tossed in the export list is to detail what rich natural resources your country has access to. I stress per the OP, these Q designed islands are designed to include all national resources we need for various normal projects. It adds flavor that the only place in the world to get good quality Diamonds is Darth Shady, so no giant Diamond lasers without buying them from him.

But if you want A laser that's fine, not all laser's use natural diamonds, there's always synthetic diamonds.

Plus in any possible conflict, considering the amount of firepower most nations have, natural resources are the only things going to be "taken" from the enemy.

In short, it's fluff, fun easy fluff.

[Raj Ahten]

Back to the plan on Libertopia I think a simple treaty is better than trying to work out how all of us would coordinate aid. Unless we all want to spend a month in real time working out treaty details, all of us just agreeing to report what aid we give and acting in good faith is probably the best we can hope for.

However, the warlords may fuck this up as they act on their own and do things in secret....

[CmdrWilkens]

The other side of the list being that these are the export quantity minerals. Just because you aren't exporting doesn't mean that you don't have it. As a for instance I have very...very...limited uranium resources but I've got a little bit its just that I have to have some imports. Likewise with Tungsten and Molybedenum for tool steels. I have some but given the size of my industry its not enough in and of itself. Same with oil and natural gas, its there and I've got some but its easier and cheaper to import.

[Coyote]

Yeah, I'm not a number-cruncher and so I tend to just go with what seems right & reasonable, checking numbers only for really big-ticket things. Turning it into "dueling spreadsheets" will kill a lot of game spontaneity, IMO. It is hard to strike the balance between "role-playing" and "roll-playing", and there's that constant battle between realism vs. playability...

That said, I do like the idea that in some cases we have to trade-- it was a potential flaw in the original RAR scenario because we stated that we had "enough resources" for import, export, healthy economy, etc. It could be interpreted as making contact a moot point...

I do think we should have third-level resource lists. Silk. Sugar. "Spices". These things really drove trade and conquest in our own past and the whole discovery of the New World was because of the quest for these sorts of things, not molybdenum. An entire empire was toppled for sugar alone (Hawai'i).

[Lonestar]

I've already mentioned that the "Texas Tobacco Company" is extremely successful on this world.

Yes, I've locked down the Tobacco Market, bitches!

[Coyote]

How about..

Salt
Tellicherry Pepper
Sugar
Bananas/Tropical Fruit


Mahogany
Teak
Rubber

[K. A. Pital]

I hereby reopen Lonestar's embassy, and also want to buy tobaco from him.

Because my alter ego form in here smokes.

[Lonestar]

Tobacco
Cotton
Pecans
Corn
Various Peppers
Cattle(duh)

Various Pine Wood
Mesquite

[Coyote]

Here's my list again--

Major:
Uranium
Gold

Minor:
Copper
Tin
Lead
Tungsten

Not listed: (ie, non-industrial/cultural)
Cotton
Stone/Masonry
Music Industry: Hit Singles
Incense

I'd be more'n happy to sell incense to the various religious orders.

I've always sort of seen Bear Republic as a sort of Breadbasket type country, he cornered the market right up on sourdough & yeast products...

[Coyote]

So far, we have--

Salt
Tellicherry Pepper
Sugar
Bananas/Tropical Fruit
Pecans
Corn
Olives/Olive Oil
Sorghum
Gum Arabic
Soy
Rice


Mahogany
Teak
Various Pine Wood
Mesquite
Rubber (from trees)


Tobacco
Cotton


Cattle(duh)


Various pretties:
Opals
Rubies
Sapphires


Was Coal ever listed?

[PeZook]

Back to the plan on Libertopia I think a simple treaty is better than trying to work out how all of us would coordinate aid. Unless we all want to spend a month in real time working out treaty details, all of us just agreeing to report what aid we give and acting in good faith is probably the best we can hope for.

However, the warlords may fuck this up as they act on their own and do things in secret....

What details? The allied agency would take the aid and distribute it, and keep tabs on warlords. It's important because if they don't feel like they're treated fairly, they will start going for each other's throats again.

Besides, it will be massively inefficient if everybody sends whatever they feel Libertopia needs. There are certain needs and goods which will be in demand, and certain resources assigned, and they have to be distributed for maximum efficiency.

Besides, this is a minor point, anyway. The most important matter is to make sure we don't start playing our own games in Libertia, and agreeing how to handle any further shit-stirring by Saddamistan. Sounds basic, so I hope we can have something worked out quickly.

[The Yosemite Bear]

PS anyone want to create their own local drug lords feel free.

yes, the mastermind is one of my citizens who faked his own death. (gee I named him after a character who faked his own death in a movie)

So far we know that Lime's poison has made it's way to Libertopia, but whose the local supplier? just how far up the ass of the mining companies is this guy? What other countries has "Lime Soma" reached.

oh and Colma is a subburb of San Francisco, that is prettymuch the retirement home and cemetary of the city by the bay, Soma is really taken from Brave New World.

[Lonestar]

I hereby reopen Lonestar's embassy, and also want to buy tobaco from him.

Because my alter ego form in here smokes.

The Texas Tobacco Company shall begin sales immediately!


The Texas Parcel Service, already the largest courier service in the world, would like permission to begin operations within the Red Technocracy, as well.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Also I need to alter my list.

I produce lots of electrical components and fuel cell batteries. I need something that is intergal component in those batteries. I think I said they were lithium or sodium primarily, due to salt flats in my desert region.

Also:

Non industrial Exports
Beer
Wine
"Mary Jane"
Grains (including Amaranth, Wheat, Corn & Rice)
Sheep & Wool
Coffee (again Finally)
fruits
dairy
beef
eggs/poultry

Ceramic Knives
Salt
industrial ceramics
black concrete with an obsidion glaze
volcanic ash based fertilizer

cultural exports
B movies and bad Television as well as the most fairly unballanced news.
Gambling/tourism

[The Yosemite Bear]

note legal Soma is currently not exported by the BR, we have too much of a problem with it domestically. However it's also like Vicadin, and amphetamines, a drug that is legal with a perscription, manufacturable, and since the natural disasters the demand has greatly outweighed the production leading to criminal involvement in production and distrobution of black market Soma. (also inadvertantly creating Bear Republic's "black islamic vigilante movement" (Omar Little meets Malcom X, we will protect our community from these predators by any means nessesarry, and we will take their ill gotten gains and enrich the community.) which has now found it's way to providing security for civilians within the Sultanate of Libertopia. Which means that some very bad things are going to start happening to the Libertopian drug dealers)

[Mr Bean]

Stas make sure you get someone else to light your cigars and cigarettes for you. I'd hate to lose you to a Lonestar brand Anthrax Cigar(TM) or a Lonestar Brand super surprise exploding cigarettes(TM).

[Coyote]

PS anyone want to create their own local drug lords feel free.

yes, the mastermind is one of my citizens who faked his own death. (gee I named him after a character who faked his own death in a movie)

So far we know that Lime's poison has made it's way to Libertopia, but whose the local supplier? just how far up the ass of the mining companies is this guy? What other countries has "Lime Soma" reached.

oh and Colma is a subburb of San Francisco, that is prettymuch the retirement home and cemetary of the city by the bay, Soma is really taken from Brave New World.

Is there also a hint of something in Natty Bumppo's being there?

[RogueIce]

What details? The allied agency would take the aid and distribute it, and keep tabs on warlords. It's important because if they don't feel like they're treated fairly, they will start going for each other's throats again.

Besides, it will be massively inefficient if everybody sends whatever they feel Libertopia needs. There are certain needs and goods which will be in demand, and certain resources assigned, and they have to be distributed for maximum efficiency.

Plus I believe part of the point is to try and prevent one nation from picking a favored warlord (or two) and bribing them into their alliance. I don't remember who it was, but someone made the suggestion that they should not be allowed to join any of the alliances until a certain point has been reached. I would agree with this.

Last thing we need is to have aid shipments get tied into influence peddling. A non-partisan international agency can do that. Sort of like how the NSC deals with LEO space launches.

Besides, this is a minor point, anyway. The most important matter is to make sure we don't start playing our own games in Libertia, and agreeing how to handle any further shit-stirring by Saddamistan. Sounds basic, so I hope we can have something worked out quickly.

Indeed. Some of us would like to just help Libertia get on its feet, not turn it into some kind of proxy conflict. And we do need a unified position on Saddamistan. For which I note we're all still waiting on the OMSK to make a full disclosure about. That question got sidetracked with these little private meetings, but it needs to be addressed.

[The Yosemite Bear]

PS anyone want to create their own local drug lords feel free.

yes, the mastermind is one of my citizens who faked his own death. (gee I named him after a character who faked his own death in a movie)

So far we know that Lime's poison has made it's way to Libertopia, but whose the local supplier? just how far up the ass of the mining companies is this guy? What other countries has "Lime Soma" reached.

oh and Colma is a subburb of San Francisco, that is prettymuch the retirement home and cemetary of the city by the bay, Soma is really taken from Brave New World.

Is there also a hint of something in Natty Bumppo's being there?

I said I had a mash Refrence. The main Doctor in my libertopian hospital and airship base, just happens to be named after "Hawkeye" from last of the mohicans, oh and the female ME refering to him as "The Long Rifle" may be refering to something else

[Mr Bean]

OAN, Pezook, where's my great fleet?

[Lonestar]

Stas make sure you get someone else to light your cigars and cigarettes for you. I'd hate to lose you to a Lonestar brand Anthrax Cigar(TM) or a Lonestar Brand super surprise exploding cigarettes(TM).

Don't be stupid. Anthrax is too much a livestock risk for the LSR to be dealing in it