Aliens Vs Cutlery

[harbringer]

Ok, not for any good reason than I was bored and wondering today (and I didnt find it in the first few pages of my 7722 matches to alien, cylon etc.)

What is likely to happen when a alien (ripleys aliens naturally) meets :

A Terminator any model - to be fair give him a shotgun or rifle and a knife or other weapon

A cylon from either NBSG or the original series (with what equipment they get)

A dalek (more from humour and at least there is something edible for the alien once the tin can is opened) pre time wars (post will only end up one way I think)

And a necron (always wondered what a lictor gets as a meal from them.....) with standard kit.

I'm not entirely sure the alien will find them appetising so your allowed to say nothing it decides it can't eat the .... and looks for something tasty

[Shroom Man 777]

The Terminator kills the alien. It might lose a hand from punching it into the alien's mouth and through its skull. Then again, if the Terminator knows of the acid blood, it might just grab the alien by its tail and smash it against the wall a couple of times.

As for the Cylon... well, the nBSG ones come with machineguns.

The Dalek EXTERMINATES the goddamn bug.

The Necron mauls it with its flayer, or just atomizes the thing.

Man, it would be so cool and so shitty for those xeno-wankers if a xenomorph gets trampled by a cow and owned.

[NecronLord]

A Terminator any model - to be fair give him a shotgun or rifle and a knife or other weapon

The alien gets its head blown off. And that's assuming we're talking about a T-1 equipped with a knife and a rifle (for some odd reason) it gets progressively worse the more impressive the Terminator is.

A cylon from either NBSG or the original series (with what equipment they get)

Curb stomp. We saw just what rapid-fire bullets and machine aiming did to them in the aliens SE.

A dalek (more from humour and at least there is something edible for the alien once the tin can is opened) pre time wars (post will only end up one way I think)

Curb stomp. Even the first daleks, easily the most limited, seen in the show, had wide area weapons capable of causing notable scorching and pitting to metal walls. It gets much worse when you get to 'pre-time wars' which would presumably be Rememberance, where they sport weapons that pick up humans and throw them ten feet, scramble their internal organs. The only way it could pull this off is if it managed to literally get the drop on the dalek, as in, find an air duct and leap on top of the dalek as it goes under.

And a necron (always wondered what a lictor gets as a meal from them.....) with standard kit.

What did the aliens ever do to you? They'd have trouble harming a necron when it's switched off.

[Crazedwraith]

The only way their going to have a problem, is if they send the acid blood flying everywhere when they blast the poor Xeno. And thats not going to bother most of them anyway.

[Gil Hamilton]

Curb stomp. Even the first daleks, easily the most limited, seen in the show, had wide area weapons capable of causing notable scorching and pitting to metal walls. It gets much worse when you get to 'pre-time wars' which would presumably be Rememberance, where they sport weapons that pick up humans and throw them ten feet, scramble their internal organs. The only way it could pull this off is if it managed to literally get the drop on the dalek, as in, find an air duct and leap on top of the dalek as it goes under.

Haven't Daleks been beaten up by cavemen before?

[NecronLord]

Haven't Daleks been beaten up by cavemen before?

King Khufu's Army. And by beaten up, what you actually mean is trapped by the bodies they'd shot.

Behold, the daleks' lowest moment:


Specifically, this one wanders off while shooting unfortunate egyptians, finds that it can't get past the bodies lying on the floor, and before it can turn around, a large group with masony sneak up and pin it in place.

Or do you mean the Thals, who're pacifist (Ian Chesterton's showing them the idiocy of such a lifestyle is quite excellent) hippie farmers, though not actual cave men? In that story, the daleks were limited to drawing power from their floors (like I said, primative) and thus, when the Doctor disabled their power supply, they were easily overcome.

Despite this, they're still quite handily up to dealing with the xenomorphs, who don't have this kind of advanced tool use ('they cut the power' aside) or tactics required to sneak up on a dalek and wall it in.

[Coyote]

Hell, an ED209 from Robocop would fuck up an Alien. As long as the Alien didn't run down stairs as it tried to get awy.

[Ghost Rider]

*sigh* The Xenomorph gets raped...and hardcore.

Each of these combatants are above humans and have access to weapons that will either punch through at minimal the puny skin of a xenomorph.

This is akin to pitting a squirrel against a MAC truck, Tank, ISD, and finally Unicron.

[Peptuck]

Necron warrior is probably the most ludicrous one of all, as the Necrons already deal with Tyranids, who are basically xenomorphs made more powerful by several orders of magnitude.

[DPDarkPrimus]

This is akin to pitting a squirrel against a MAC truck, Tank, ISD, and finally Unicron.

And as we know, squirrels can't defeat a MAC truck, even if they're three feet tall, sentient, and possess a Green Lantern ring.

[Molyneux]

This is akin to pitting a squirrel against a MAC truck, Tank, ISD, and finally Unicron.

And as we know, squirrels can't defeat a MAC truck, even if they're three feet tall, sentient, and possess a Green Lantern ring.

Fool! Do the math:
Dr. Doom > MAC truck
Squirrels > Dr. Doom

Ergo, Squirrels > MAC trucks!

[Ender]

T-1000 vs the alien could be interesting. It would have to harm/kill it in a way that minimized the blood it came into contact with. Bit since the Alien has no way of winning this beyond dying on it, I give it to the T-1000

[Rye]

Well against a T-1000 (one without a gun, anyway), it could potentially spit acid on it, or attack and lose a tail or hand but "win the day" overall. If it behaved like the net alien in AvP, it might go for the tail shot first, the T-1000 would go to slice the tail away and the alien could spray blood all over the terminator.

[Molyneux]

Well against a T-1000 (one without a gun, anyway), it could potentially spit acid on it, or attack and lose a tail or hand but "win the day" overall. If it behaved like the net alien in AvP, it might go for the tail shot first, the T-1000 would go to slice the tail away and the alien could spray blood all over the terminator.

I could see that injuring the T-1000, but I doubt the blood spray would kill the robot outright - and it would wise up after the first injury.

[RedImperator]

I think it's premature to claim the aliens could take down a terminator even by spraying it with blood, since we have no idea what effect alien blood will have on terminators, especially T-1000s. Acid isn't magic; if the terminators are made of alloys that resist attack by the acid in the aliens' systems (and there are quite a few steels that resist acids), they'll suffer little to no damage from the blood spray.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Really, any Terminator would murderize an Alien. They have GUNS, all of them, even the T-1000 and we know what guns do to Aliens...

Fuck Hicks killed an Alien with a .45, i think Arnold's shotgun or, God forbid, T-X's plasma cannon should do the trck...especially since the latter sent Arnold flying several feet back with one hit and wasn't even really damaged by an RPG hit.

Now as for the acid...this is supposed to be "molecular acid". Now, i'm pretty sure that doesn't exist per se, so i don't know if it can effect a Terminator or not. Ripley and her cohorts seemed to be afraid it can eat through the hull of a spaceship (presumably) built to survive something stronger than what a Terminator has to deal with (like re-entry, micrometorites). That being said it's a moot point cause, as i pointed out, EVERY Terminator IMMEDIATELY tries to find a gun as soon as it lands in our time, even the T-1000 which had wepons built in as it were. And as i said, even a pistol can kill an Alien if you blow it's head off.

[The Yosemite Bear]

I don't know why, but my brain was thinking about a Xenomorph getting sodomized by the Shrike from the Hyperion universe....

I doubt that any amout of acid can harm a techno organic robot protected by time shields....

oh and for real fun how about a Diamond age street samurai with ceramic vibro-blade that's fairly acidproof, (not to mention the microwave/cellular disruption would actualy keep the acid from contacting the vibroblade) and enough boosted reflexes to be able to dodge the arterial spray?

[Oskuro]

But since the Alien has no way of winning this beyond dying on it, I give it to the T-1000

Dying on something seems to be the most effective Alien strategy so far, to the point that they themselves use it! (to escape the cell in Alien IV, or to free the Queen in AvP)

[harbringer]

To be honest I didnt think people would be this one sided on the issue .... sure the Necron was overkill but as it is pretty much king of the hill in these things unless we include things like culture drones (and I would not pit a xeno against one .....) I expected people to say well even if the alien damages it it will regenerate...

The dalek response surprised me as they have always (at least pre time war) been partial to surprise attack, even throwing a coat over one was enough to panic it as it couldn't see out of it's eye stalk. And the cave men were on some planet that rendered dalek weapon technology useless (a byproduct of a solar system destroying canon). And yes they ripped them apart...Daleks like Aliens work best in large groups (which is the problem when its the Dalek empire)

I guess when I wrote this I sort of expected the tight warm confines lots of things to hide in that are typical of alien movies. Getting a shot at it would be a lot harder under those circumstances ... I expected it to come down to sensor and reflexes.

Thanks for answering the question anyway

[NecronLord]

The dalek response surprised me as they have always (at least pre time war) been partial to surprise attack, even throwing a coat over one was enough to panic it as it couldn't see out of it's eye stalk.

And the cave men were on some planet that rendered dalek weapon technology useless (a byproduct of a solar system destroying canon).

Err.. You're thinking of Death to the Daleks. And yes. If their power to their weapons is cut off (It's worth noting, that the rest of the daleks regroup, re-arm themselves with firearms, and begin moving by psycokinetic force) they're quite vulnerable. Unfotunately, the aliens can't do that. What's more, the cave men have mastery of fire, the aliens don't. Given that the dalek seems to smoke and then burn, from the grilles, they either poured some combustible oil into it, or the Dalek self destructed to try and get them (possible, it charges towards them shouting exterminate first, if so, it's destruction didn't have the effect it wanted. Aliens don't have mastery of fire, and wouldn't get nearly as close if the weapon was online. For that matter, the cave men were superior to the daleks in other respects too, having spears and arrows.

They have to get up close to the daleks, which, without the benefit of the plot and a time lord helping them, is quite unlikely. It's the provebrial 'knife to a gunfight.' Their best chance is to try and drop on top of it and go for the vulnerable top side. That assumes they're operating in a friendly enviroment, as opposed to say, an open plane.

[harbringer]

Quite possibly the episode it was not I who pointed it out but it does mean that a alien could technically rip it apart.....but since they are so tough to destroy normally is the hull shielded somehow since when there was no power they seemed a lot more easily destroyed....

[NecronLord]

Quite possibly the episode it was not I who pointed it out but it does mean that a alien could technically rip it apart.....

No, it means they could set it on fire. Except they don't have knowledge of fire.

[CaptHawkeye]

Xenomorphs are just big animals. Their capabilities are roughly akin to that of a fucking lion with some slightly better tactics and acid blood. The only time a Xeno poses a threat to anyone is when they are...

A. Unarmed.

B. Locked in tight, low light environments.

C. Too stupid to check over their shoulder occasionally.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Still think the Shrike vs. Xenomorph colony battle would be funnier to see....

[FOG3]

Now as for the acid...this is supposed to be "molecular acid". Now, i'm pretty sure that doesn't exist per se, so i don't know if it can effect a Terminator or not. Ripley and her cohorts seemed to be afraid it can eat through the hull of a spaceship (presumably) built to survive something stronger than what a Terminator has to deal with (like re-entry, micrometorites).

Well most acids are basically the combination of two ions. So if you really wanted to go there the implication of classifying it as molecular could be something along the lines of HNO3 as opposed to say HF. That however actually implies a lower intensity acid. The other interpretation generalizes to normal acids pulling other molecules apart instead of other corrosion methods such as the electric discharge one.

Mechanical strength doesn't correlate with lack of chemical reactiveness. Plus what we saw it going through was interior metal deck plates that would have been kept as thin and light as possible, and probably not speced to be resistant to anything beyond common industrial chemicals. Remember that other stuff it eats through involves a whole awful lot of blood.

So basically high molarity HNO3 or similar is what we should probably consider it as. Not the nastiest stuff you can come up with, but good enough in large quantities against most things.