SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK III

[The Yosemite Bear]

oh, and since your purging your military, we may want you to test bed our new gyrojet designs. So far we have Carbine and Rifle versions in .50 cal, we are working on a .75 cal version. (yes, the Bear Republic figured out how to make bolters available). And making Pistol, Carbine and Rifle available over the next 3 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet
http://www.deathwind.com/project.htm

If any FUN partners would be interested in providing insight to the new Gyrojet project, please contact Eternal Vigilance Firarms, at the BR.

[Mr Bean]

Which is why Bean is still wrong. The input energy is approximately 500 MJ, from the calculations shown by Bean done by someone else. A 2GW plant can supply that much in 1/4 second. Even if you increase the mass to 10 lbs, you still have a refire rate measured in seconds, not days.

Excuse me let me take on the per hour missing of that.

It's a plant with 2,122 Megawatts per hour is what I found as an example of your "average" large nuclear reactor. It's not GW per second, But because I to mixed up my units it's correct, even a 2 GWH plant can produce enough to fire it.

There's still the issue with the length however.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Also Bean, are not the gyrojets a bit more feasable of a sci-fi gun?

[Coyote]

For the record, I don't have a problem with this becoming more science-fiction-y, considering who we are after all.... but we should try to figure some sort of agreed-upon limits on just how wanktastic we're going to let things go. It's too early to build Cylons!

[The Yosemite Bear]

yes, but a weapon that was USED in vietnam shouldn't be going too Sci-Fi, we got people who keep trying to build laser rifles, and railguns, while still not being able to get past the basic physics of them. the most outrageous thing I've done beyond megafauna was introducing superblimps.

[Mr Bean]

Rocket guns are in the realm of believability but you need time to test them, to design them, and to idiot proof them.

[phongn]

It's a plant with 2,122 Megawatts per hour is what I found as an example of your "average" large nuclear reactor. It's not GW per second, But because I to mixed up my units it's correct, even a 2 GWH plant can produce enough to fire it.

Dude, Bean, think on what you're saying. Watt per unit-time makes no sense. Plants are measured in watts, not watt/hour (which is nonsensical).

[Beowulf]

Which is why Bean is still wrong. The input energy is approximately 500 MJ, from the calculations shown by Bean done by someone else. A 2GW plant can supply that much in 1/4 second. Even if you increase the mass to 10 lbs, you still have a refire rate measured in seconds, not days.

Excuse me let me take on the per hour missing of that.

It's a plant with 2,122 Megawatts per hour is what I found as an example of your "average" large nuclear reactor. It's not GW per second, But because I to mixed up my units it's correct, even a 2 GWH plant can produce enough to fire it.

There's still the issue with the length however.

GWH is a measure of energy. It's a Gigawatt for one hour. It's a very massive amount of energy. It is in fact enough energy to loft about 72 tons into orbit.

The number of hours makes no difference for power, but makes all the difference in the world for energy. You're making one of the same mistakes that half the people who debate Wong make, which is screwing up the units for energy.

[RogueIce]

And with my latest delivery of F-35Cs I now have 12 excess F/A-18Es. I split off 3 to join the 2 from my last batch so I can have my very own Blue Angels type unit. I'll probably task an F/A-18F in there as well (I have some for T&E purposes, deciding how and if to integrate them).

Which means I have 9 Q-generated F/A-18Es to sell for a pretty good price, all things considered (since I got them "free" and they are used).

I understand the Shadow Empire's Air Force is looking for some replacements?

[Mr Bean]

It's a plant with 2,122 Megawatts per hour is what I found as an example of your "average" large nuclear reactor. It's not GW per second, But because I to mixed up my units it's correct, even a 2 GWH plant can produce enough to fire it.

Dude, Bean, think on what you're saying. Watt per unit-time makes no sense. Plants are measured in watts, not watt/hour (which is nonsensical).

When looking at nuclear power plants most boast on how much power per hour they can produce and give that figure in watts per hour, because it makes a big damn number.

Finding actual(Rather than less accurate PR information) nuclear power plant data later today I find most produce roughly 1 GW.

So yes a single nuclear power plant can produce enough power. In fact any Oil or Coal fired power plant can produce enough. Heck enough a large enough wind-farm can produce enough energy, again this is another case of someone(Me in this case) fucking up a unit to make a wrongheaded argument.


Lucky for me, I never make only one argument, back to the three old favorites that still have yet to be gotten around
1. Multi-billion dollar project for a tiny country
2. The time-scale is absurd for development of room temperature super conductive magnets required. And then the production and assembly of hundreds of the things
3. Modern Material science is not up to this without years of testing, there is no such thing as "off the shelf' parts of the strength needed.

And my fourth one
4. The physical length is impracticable for a weapon system.
Speaking of this, when you look for examples of this possible device you can find plenty of websites mention Rail and Coil guns which could launch things into LEO orbit. Most of these have stated lengths around 400 to 1200 meter lengths

It can only be a boondoggle, a boondoggle costing 2/3's his entire countries GDP.

[CmdrWilkens]

The only thing is that it is gettig funding from the MESS as a whole. How much I don't think we've quite figured out exactly but with the number of signatory countries contributing a percentage of GDP towards joint scientific and military projects (FIRE as another example) there is plenty of money to throw at this "boondogle"

This is also why he doens't have military forces which have been involved in any of the major MESS interventions in any meaningful way so he hasn't had to bear those costs.

[Mr Bean]

*Grumble Grumble, lazy Rogue making me spell check my own words, can't do my work for me"

Time to post a response
Right after these messages

[RogueIce]

*Grumble Grumble, lazy Rogue making me spell check my own words, can't do my work for me"

Time to post a response
Right after these messages

I did for the most part, I just threw that in there in case I missed anything.

[Mr Bean]

For those playing at home in old world Hasan al-Naqib was a former Iraq General who had been taped as a possible coup leader but backed out and is a member of the intern Iraq government today.

[RogueIce]

For those playing at home in old world Hasan al-Naqib was a former Iraq General who had been taped as a possible coup leader but backed out and is a member of the intern Iraq government today.

D'oh, you changed it on me!

[Mr Bean]

For those playing at home in old world Hasan al-Naqib was a former Iraq General who had been taped as a possible coup leader but backed out and is a member of the intern Iraq government today.

D'oh, you changed it on me!

The origional fellow Abrim lead a coup too, but his coup was in the 70's, that's to old I needed a newer coup man.

[RogueIce]

The origional fellow Abrim lead a coup too, but his coup was in the 70's, that's to old I needed a newer coup man.

Alrighty, with any luck we can knock this out tonight. Having my President in a time loop is no fun.

[Mr Bean]

Right, I'm off to work, have fun with that information, no replys from me for the next ten hours or so.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Rocket guns are in the realm of believability but you need time to test them, to design them, and to idiot proof them.

I said I'm test bedding them, have the prototypes in Rifle and carbine (assult rifle prototype, vs. single shot prototype)

[phongn]

When looking at nuclear power plants most boast on how much power per hour they can produce and give that figure in watts per hour, because it makes a big damn number.

No, they don't. They boast on how much energy they can produce in a particular amount of time - that is, Wh/unit time. That is not the same as W/h, which is what you've been saying.

Finding actual(Rather than less accurate PR information) nuclear power plant data later today I find most produce roughly 1 GW.

Er, they produce a whole range of power levels, from 600 MWe to 1.7GWe.

[The Yosemite Bear]

decdied to make a refrence to old history (namely two celebs from the 1970s)

[Beowulf]

Dude, Bean, think on what you're saying. Watt per unit-time makes no sense. Plants are measured in watts, not watt/hour (which is nonsensical).

When looking at nuclear power plants most boast on how much power per hour they can produce and give that figure in watts per hour, because it makes a big damn number.

You're mixing up the colloquial definition of power with the scientific definition of power. Watts/hour makes no sense whatsoever. Watt-hours do, but that's watts*hours, which is energy.

Finding actual(Rather than less accurate PR information) nuclear power plant data later today I find most produce roughly 1 GW.

Sure, if you average them. Doesn't matter. You're still dealing with a pulsed system. The average power it takes depends on your refire rate, and can be as low as 100 MW.

So yes a single nuclear power plant can produce enough power. In fact any Oil or Coal fired power plant can produce enough. Heck enough a large enough wind-farm can produce enough energy, again this is another case of someone(Me in this case) fucking up a unit to make a wrongheaded argument.


Lucky for me, I never make only one argument, back to the three old favorites that still have yet to be gotten around
1. Multi-billion dollar project for a tiny country

MESS financing. Gauss weapons is pretty much all he's been doing.

2. The time-scale is absurd for development of room temperature super conductive magnets required. And then the production and assembly of hundreds of the things

Room temperature superconductors aren't required, though they'll probably help. High temperature super conductors are most likely fine, and don't really require too much further development.

3. Modern Material science is not up to this without years of testing, there is no such thing as "off the shelf' parts of the strength needed.

What strength? You haven't even tried to use this argument before, AFAIK.

[CmdrWilkens]

Side note to the announcement there will be brand spankin new Cruisers and Destroyers available with this new class however export models will, obviously, have a few less features, and will ot come fully kitted out like the intra-MESS units. That said we will happily accept those who want to ivest now to get to the head of the line for the first "2nd gen" warships in TerraNova.

[K. A. Pital]

DarthShady, you should lead purges against the Army, finding the treasonous command staff and executing them, and re-staff some of it's rank with loyalists.

I have resupplied your BTR stock since it was destroyed, and given you 4 sparkly T-80s as a gift.

Also, soon there would be reconstruction.

[RogueIce]

I agree with Langley. Hitting the entire officer corps will be overkill. Let those that are guilty stand trial. I'm sure the FBI will help you out.

And in the spirit of the excellent relations between the MESS and the FUN, I'm doing my part to help the Shadow Empire rebuild.