Doctor Who Mid Season Trailer

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2008-05-24 04:27pm

Well, I thought you might want to see it if you haven't already. Potentially quite spoilery.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHuQ8QMmwCI the vid should be viewable to people outside of the UK.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-05-24 04:35pm

Dakeks again? Can't we have a villain who's not a Dalek or TimeLord for the season ender?

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2008-05-24 04:55pm

Oh, that last Dalek shot... all too obvious who that is.

To be honest, at this stage, with RTD on the way out, I now feel like I can forgive him for obsessing over the Daleks - at least he's consistent, and he won't be doing it any more.

I cling to a faint hope that it might actually be a good finale. I have just watched Dalek and Parting of the Ways, so I might be still blinded by the higher quality episodes.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2008-05-24 04:57pm

Oh, I know! SPOILER: LOL Davros.

I got an "Ambassadors of Death" vibe from those spacesuit skeleton guys.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2008-05-24 08:43pm

I also got the feeling of Ambassadors of Death from the trailer.

It wasn't obvious to me the first time what is the big spoiler because the villain's face was hidden in Shadow, but this pretty much states who the final villain would be.

If you don't want to know don't click on the link.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2008-05-24 11:34pm

The Time Vortex Imbued Vengeful God Doctor sure did a shitty job of wiping the Daleks from all exsistance past and present. The Dalek in Dalek, the Dalek Emporer, The Cult of Skaaros, and now this.

Is there any Daleks he did kill?

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-05-24 11:44pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:The Time Vortex Imbued Vengeful God Doctor sure did a shitty job of wiping the Daleks from all exsistance past and present. The Dalek in Dalek, the Dalek Emporer, The Cult of Skaaros, and now this.

Is there any Daleks he did kill?

There's no reason to think that's what he did; and he destroyed millions of ships, or billions of Daleks. It's not his fault the writers are creatively bankrupt.

Y'know, maybe, MAYBE this won't suck if they do an S3 and bring back an old villain for no reason beyond fanservice and immediately kill them off 'for use later'... but if it's like every other Dalek story where I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME GADGET, we'll get to experience why one character can ruin an entire species all over again. Those who do not learn from the past etc etc.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-05-25 12:01am

Stark wrote:
Anarchist Bunny wrote:The Time Vortex Imbued Vengeful God Doctor sure did a shitty job of wiping the Daleks from all exsistance past and present. The Dalek in Dalek, the Dalek Emporer, The Cult of Skaaros, and now this.

Is there any Daleks he did kill?
There's no reason to think that's what he did; and he destroyed millions of ships, or billions of Daleks. It's not his fault the writers are creatively bankrupt.

Y'know, maybe, MAYBE this won't suck if they do an S3 and bring back an old villain for no reason beyond fanservice and immediately kill them off 'for use later'... but if it's like every other Dalek story where I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME GADGET, we'll get to experience why one character can ruin an entire species all over again. Those who do not learn from the past etc etc.

Ye godz, not HIM. I'd almost rather have the Master back.

Post by **Vympel** » 2008-05-25 04:32am

*sigh*

Please, have a break of a few seasons before bringing him back, if ever. (that applies to both the Master and you-know-who).

Maybe it's Dalek Caan.

Zixinus · Post by **Zixinus** » 2008-05-25 04:34am

Why can't they figure another villain?

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2008-05-29 12:56pm

Maybe the Daleks (and Davros, or Caan or another Dalek leader) are merely secondary villains, with them pushed to the foefront in the trailer and RTD pulls the rug up from under the audience? I hope this going to be a little more open ended with no open invasion of Earth.

Minischoles · Post by **Minischoles** » 2008-05-29 01:23pm

Big Orange wrote:Maybe the Daleks (and Davros, or Caan or another Dalek leader) are merely secondary villains, with them pushed to the foefront in the trailer and RTD pulls the rug up from under the audience? I hope this going to be a little more open ended with no open invasion of Earth.

You'd hope, but RTD is still writing and in charge, and thinking something like that gives him way too much credit.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-05-29 02:59pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:The Time Vortex Imbued Vengeful God Doctor sure did a shitty job of wiping the Daleks from all exsistance past and present. The Dalek in Dalek, the Dalek Emporer, The Cult of Skaaros, and now this.

Is there any Daleks he did kill?

What? It was Rose that went God of Thunder and smote some.

The Doctor just set off a big bomb and wiped out their fleet.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-05-29 03:05pm

I have an idea of how you'd do a good you-know-who story. This isn't it.

On the plus side, I find it interesting that the Daleks are back again in a trailer about fear of the dark. One of the supposedly very few species we know of who don't have an irrational fear of the dark are the daleks, who apparently scorn such things. If we're lucky, the Daleks might not be the main antagonists for the season finale, but merely allies against something more original.

Also, can anyone get a decent freeze on the daleks? Is their batch code under the eye the same as the ones on the Imperial Command Ship?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2008-05-29 03:34pm

NecronLord wrote: What? It was Rose that went God of Thunder and smote some.

The Doctor just set off a big bomb and wiped out their fleet.

According to what? I don't remember any episode actually going into detail about how he wiped out the Daleks in one go other than generically stating he destroyed all of them.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-05-29 03:47pm

General Zod wrote:According to what? I don't remember any episode actually going into detail about how he wiped out the Daleks in one go other than generically stating he destroyed all of them.

It's repeatedly stated that he burnt them all in an inferno - nothing at all like Rose Tyler God of Thunder. While one supposes it might have been anything (tricking them all into a lake of kerosene) it most certainly was of some explosive/combustible nature, and not similar at all to the 'dissolve into dust' affair he's talking about with the Time Vortex.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2008-05-29 05:33pm

^ The Doctor may have made Gallifrey's sun go nova (not effective) or (more likely) he possibly detonated the Eye of Harmony, after luring the Dalek fleet into where he wanted it to be.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2008-05-29 09:41pm

Its never stated out right, but the picture I always saw painted was this:

The Master was suppose to take in the power of the Time Vortex, and kill the Daleks, but he pussies out. So the Doctor has to step up and do it. He takes in the Time Vortex and becomes as he and the master stated like a god. A vengeful god according to the Doctor. But with the power of the Time Vortex he is not himself. He goes apeshit and kills both the Daleks and the Time Lords. Mostly erases both from Time.

Only doing a really, really shitty job of it. Thats why the Master and the Doctor are the only survivors of the Time Lords. The master wasn't one and hid at the end of time, and the Doctor was this all powerful being.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-05-30 02:25am

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Its never stated out right, but the picture I always saw painted was this:

The Master was suppose to take in the power of the Time Vortex, and kill the Daleks, but he pussies out. So the Doctor has to step up and do it. He takes in the Time Vortex and becomes as he and the master stated like a god. A vengeful god according to the Doctor. But with the power of the Time Vortex he is not himself. He goes apeshit and kills both the Daleks and the Time Lords. Mostly erases both from Time.

He outright states he's never done what Rose did, and that if a Time Lord did so, they'd become a god, an angry god. I can think of some non-canon bits where he'd sone so, but never with anything like Rose God of Thunder's power, never mind the power needed to wipe out ten million ships.

And setting the Master up for godhood is a terrible idea, even by the standards of Gallifrey, that's just plain retarded.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-05-30 02:40am

Man, that's some retarded speculation. When BO is less outlandish, you're in funkytown, that's for sure.

The fannish desire to make everything really simple in this way is extremely amusing. I mean, blowing up the sun would never fucking work (we're talking about super-scifi races here, supernovas = lameo and they'd just get out of the fucking way anyway) but super convoluted plots to make the Master do it when he's an insane Time Lord hating psychopath who's worked with the Daleks in the past and A STUPID BOGAN GIRL DID IT WITH NO TRAINING means it'd be retarded beyond belief.

There's no reason to think the Doctor did anything with the Time Vortex at all, and plenty of reasons to think he didn't, so it's not just a stretch, it's stupid.

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2008-05-30 10:55am

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Its never stated out right, but the picture I always saw painted was this:

The Master was suppose to take in the power of the Time Vortex, and kill the Daleks, but he pussies out. So the Doctor has to step up and do it. He takes in the Time Vortex and becomes as he and the master stated like a god. A vengeful god according to the Doctor. But with the power of the Time Vortex he is not himself. He goes apeshit and kills both the Daleks and the Time Lords. Mostly erases both from Time.

Only doing a really, really shitty job of it. Thats why the Master and the Doctor are the only survivors of the Time Lords. The master wasn't one and hid at the end of time, and the Doctor was this all powerful being.

With all due respect, what on Earth have you seen or heard that gave you that idea?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2008-05-31 12:16am

NecronLord wrote:
Anarchist Bunny wrote:Its never stated out right, but the picture I always saw painted was this:

The Master was suppose to take in the power of the Time Vortex, and kill the Daleks, but he pussies out. So the Doctor has to step up and do it. He takes in the Time Vortex and becomes as he and the master stated like a god. A vengeful god according to the Doctor. But with the power of the Time Vortex he is not himself. He goes apeshit and kills both the Daleks and the Time Lords. Mostly erases both from Time.
He outright states he's never done what Rose did, and that if a Time Lord did so, they'd become a god, an angry god. I can think of some non-canon bits where he'd sone so, but never with anything like Rose God of Thunder's power, never mind the power needed to wipe out ten million ships.

And setting the Master up for godhood is a terrible idea, even by the standards of Gallifrey, that's just plain retarded.

They basicly outright state thats what he did in the Season free finale. He mentions that Rose took in the Time Vortex and if a Time Lord did that he'd become a vengeful god, then the Master asks him what it felt like, and that he must of been like a god.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-05-31 12:39am

Uh, what? The Master says destroying two races, holding their fates in his hands, would have made him like god - and this is from a MEGALOMANIAC, obsessed with power! If that's your 'logic', the Dalek Emperor claimed to be a god since he created Dalek life - clearly he used the Time Vortex too!

Seriously, this is trektard level dialogue interpretation.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-05-31 03:40am

Anarchist Bunny wrote:They basicly outright state thats what he did in the Season free finale. He mentions that Rose took in the Time Vortex and if a Time Lord did that he'd become a vengeful god, then the Master asks him what it felt like, and that he must of been like a god.

"The Sound Of Drums" said no such thing. The Master asked the Doctor what it felt like to destroy two civilisations and spoke of godhood metaphorically, not literally. Nothing was said of the Doctor actually manipulating the Time Vortex to burn Gallifrey or the Daleks.

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2008-05-31 09:27am

Anarchist Bunny wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Anarchist Bunny wrote:Its never stated out right, but the picture I always saw painted was this:

The Master was suppose to take in the power of the Time Vortex, and kill the Daleks, but he pussies out. So the Doctor has to step up and do it. He takes in the Time Vortex and becomes as he and the master stated like a god. A vengeful god according to the Doctor. But with the power of the Time Vortex he is not himself. He goes apeshit and kills both the Daleks and the Time Lords. Mostly erases both from Time.
He outright states he's never done what Rose did, and that if a Time Lord did so, they'd become a god, an angry god. I can think of some non-canon bits where he'd sone so, but never with anything like Rose God of Thunder's power, never mind the power needed to wipe out ten million ships.

And setting the Master up for godhood is a terrible idea, even by the standards of Gallifrey, that's just plain retarded.
They basicly outright state thats what he did in the Season free finale. He mentions that Rose took in the Time Vortex and if a Time Lord did that he'd become a vengeful god, then the Master asks him what it felt like, and that he must of been like a god.

*boggles*