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Paul Carroll was riding his bike when his cell phone vibrated.

Once he arrived home from the Hennepin County Courthouse, where he’d been served a gross misdemeanor for spray-painting the interior of a campus elevator, the lanky, wavy-haired University of Minnesota sophomore flipped open his phone and checked his messages. He was greeted by a voice he recognized immediately. It belonged to U of M Police Sgt. Erik Swanson, the officer to whom Carroll had turned himself in just three weeks earlier. When Carroll called back, Swanson asked him to meet at a coffee shop later that day, going on to assure a wary Carroll that he wasn’t in trouble.

Carroll, who requested that his real name not be used, showed up early and waited anxiously for Swanson’s arrival. Ten minutes later, he says, a casually dressed Swanson showed up, flanked by a woman whom he introduced as FBI Special Agent Maureen E. Mazzola. For the next 20 minutes, Mazzola would do most of the talking.

“She told me that I had the perfect ‘look,’” recalls Carroll. “And that I had the perfect personality—they kept saying I was friendly and personable—for what they were looking for.”

What they were looking for, Carroll says, was an informant—someone to show up at “vegan potlucks” throughout the Twin Cities and rub shoulders with RNC protestors, schmoozing his way into their inner circles, then reporting back to the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, a partnership between multiple federal agencies and state and local law enforcement. The effort’s primary mission, according to the Minneapolis division’s website, is to “investigate terrorist acts carried out by groups or organizations which fall within the definition of terrorist groups as set forth in the current United States Attorney General Guidelines.”

Carroll would be compensated for his efforts, but only if his involvement yielded an arrest. No exact dollar figure was offered.

“I’ll pass,” said Carroll.

For 10 more minutes, Mazzola and Swanson tried to sway him. He remained obstinate.

“Well, if you change your mind, call this number,” said Mazzola, handing him her card with her cell phone number scribbled on the back.

(Mazzola, Swanson, and the FBI did not return numerous calls seeking comment.)

Carroll’s story echoes a familiar theme. During the lead-up the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City, the NYPD’s Intelligence Division infiltrated and spied on protest groups across the country, as well as in Canada and Europe. The program’s scope extended to explicitly nonviolent groups, including street theater troupes and church organizations.

There were also two reported instances of police officers, dressed as protestors, purposefully instigating clashes. At the 2004 Republican National Convention, the NYPD orchestrated a fake arrest to incite protestors. When a blond man was “arrested,” nearby protestors began shouting, “Let him go!” The helmeted police proceeded to push back against the crowd with batons and arrested at least two. In a similar instance, during an April 29, 2005, Critical Mass bike ride in New York, video footage captured a “protestor”—in reality an undercover cop—telling his captor, “I’m on the job,” and being subsequently let go.

Minneapolis’s own recent Critical Mass skirmish was allegedly initiated by two unidentified stragglers in hoods—one wearing a handkerchief over his or her face—who “began to make aggressive moves” near the back of the pack. During that humid August 31 evening, officers went on to arrest 19 cyclists while unleashing pepper spray into the faces of bystanders. The hooded duo was never apprehended.

In the scuffle’s wake, conspiracy theories swirled that the unprecedented surveillance—squad cars from multiple agencies and a helicopter hovering overhead—was due to the presence of RNC protesters in the ride. The MPD publicly denied this. But during the trial of cyclist Gus Ganley, MPD Sgt. David Stichter testified that a task force had been created to monitor the August 31 ride and that the department knew that members of an RNC protest group would be along for the ride.

“This is all part of a larger government effort to quell political dissent,” says Jordan Kushner, an attorney who represented Ganley and other Critical Mass arrestees. “The Joint Terrorism Task Force is another example of using the buzzword ‘terrorism’ as a basis to clamp down on people’s freedoms and push forward a more authoritarian government.”
Carroll would be compensated for his efforts, but only if his involvement yielded an arrest. No exact dollar figure was offered.
A bounty for arrests he ensures. Tell me, what is your average person, greedy at their base nature, going to do? Maximize arrests, to be damned with the Right To Assembly.
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Does no one in the FBI go, "Uh guys? Aren't there people breaking Federal laws that we should be going after?"
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For some reason, I find the idea of an "infiltrator" at "Vegan Potlucks" Hilarious.
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Didn't they do this same shit in the '60s??!?!
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Adrian Laguna wrote:Does no one in the FBI go, "Uh guys? Aren't there people breaking Federal laws that we should be going after?"
The criminals you're talking happen to be rich white male Americans, Adrian. :evil:
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LadyTevar wrote:Didn't they do this same shit in the '60s??!?!
IIRC that was mostly the Hoover run FBI looking to out communists and homosexuals. But there was alot of spying on civil rights organizations.
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Lonestar wrote:For some reason, I find the idea of an "infiltrator" at "Vegan Potlucks" Hilarious.
*giggling madly* It is simply awesome to think that we have FBI informants at "Vegan potlucks" all the fucking time--I sort of feel sorry for the poor bastards, having to go without bathing for a week before the potluck to fit in and being around such horrific stench. This is precisely why we may have a police state, but we'll never have an effective police state! It's almost as funny as KGB agents being sent to Africa to calculate the spread of Maoism there--by counting the number of posters of Mao Zedong they see put up in African cities!
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Assuming that the FBI is going to follow the law this is SOP in prelude to large political events so that law enforcement agencies are better informed on potentially violent or disruptive protests.
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Yeah, all of us vegans are a filthy bunch. Do they even know what happens at a vegan potluck? We sit around, try each other's food and some of us even drink beer. Kind of like a regular potluck, expcept there's no meat. Real subversive stuff, I tell you what.

Of course, all the vegan potlucks I go to are at other people's backyards. We don't really do a lot of protesting there. :) Actually, I've never been to a protest, other than joining a bunch of folks who came out to heckle/berate/laugh at some Neo Nazis at Valley Forge a few years ago for some gathering they were having.
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Flagg wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:Didn't they do this same shit in the '60s??!?!
IIRC that was mostly the Hoover run FBI looking to out communists and homosexuals. But there was alot of spying on civil rights organizations.
No, there were quite a few FBI infiltrators in the anti-Vietnam protests and end-the-war organizations. The FBI was also infiltrating Irish-American groups in Chicago during from the late 60's onwards (there was an IRA connection between Chicago and the Troubles) and probably other groups.

Really, this is nothing new.
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Adrian Laguna wrote:Does no one in the FBI go, "Uh guys? Aren't there people breaking Federal laws that we should be going after?"
Read it again:
someone to show up at “vegan potlucks” throughout the Twin Cities and rub shoulders with RNC protestors, schmoozing his way into their inner circles, then reporting back to the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, a partnership between multiple federal agencies and state and local law enforcement.
More appropriate would be "uh, aren't there real terrorists we should be going after?"
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How very...Nixon.

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Nixon? I was thinking "McCarthy", but maybe we haven't fully reached that point. Yet.
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LadyTevar wrote:Didn't they do this same shit in the '60s??!?!
yes. It was called COINTELPRO. They did shit as blatantly fucked up as sicking the Klan and other racist organizations on Civil Rights movement people and assassinating people, like Huey Newton.

Also, I'm fucked now given I'm part of a local peace group. Well I've been expecting this shit for a while
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So Bush finished the Hoover impression, so he's moving up to Nixon. What a fuckass. What next, McCarthy?
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Well, it's actually vogue now to claim that McCarthy wasn't really that bad. There is a whole slew of revisionist literature and political "journals" that argue he was okay and that he really did uncover vast communist plots. They entirely gloss over the witch hunts of the era.

It's sad, but I think there's a general trend toward historical ignorance contributing to making many unable to connect the dots from the past to the present and learn from history. It doesn't help when they are being lied to with the trash they read.
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Warsie wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:Didn't they do this same shit in the '60s??!?!
yes. It was called COINTELPRO. They did shit as blatantly fucked up as sicking the Klan and other racist organizations on Civil Rights movement people and assassinating people, like Huey Newton.
The way I heard it, Huey Newton was killed by some guy in a drug dispute. We have much stronger evidence, though, that the FBI (in collaboration with with the police) murdered Fred Hampton and Mark Clark -- an FBI informant drugged them and that night the Chicago police charged in, shot the guys I mentioned, beat everyone else in the house, and then charged them with assault.

They also sent forged death threats to start gang wars, arrested people on trumped up charges, and generally acted as the archetypal Evil Government Conspiracy. I sure hope they're not going anywhere near that far again.
Also, I'm fucked now given I'm part of a local peace group. Well I've been expecting this shit for a while
Even if the ghost of J. Edgar Hoover were to rise from his grave and take the reins of the FBI again, I doubt you'd be fucked. Just think how many people in the 60s didn't get killed or arrested!
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I'd go as far as to say it's a concerted effort by many individuals to rewrite the past in a most cynical attempt to make society unlearn its lessons since they're inconvenient for their current plots. Why not make McCarthyite hysteria seem mild and overblown by liberal intelligentsia when you're a conservative that would've been fine in that climate? Why not say the holocaust never happened when you really hate jews and know it's "their primary sympathy-winner"?

Reminds me of that Rage Against the Machine/Orwell lyric/party slogan; "Who controls the past (now), controls the future. Who controls the present (now), controls the past." It's such an enormous shame that the guy died without writing about American conservatism and where it was going.

I find it difficult to distinguish where anti-right hysteria stops and the GOP actually begins now, except where people accuse the government of being overly competent.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote: *giggling madly* It is simply awesome to think that we have FBI informants at "Vegan potlucks" all the fucking time--I sort of feel sorry for the poor bastards, having to go without bathing for a week before the potluck to fit in and being around such horrific stench.
Well, if the infiltrator in question is invading a cartoon caricature of a vegan potluck, yes, he does have to forget to shower for a week. He also has to invest in a hemp necklace and say things like "Dude, did you catch Uncle Scratch at the Treehouse like that... it was a, like, wicked crunchy vibe, man." alot. Then comes out all the pot, because you can't have a vegan potluck without sitting around blazing bud, right? Calling it a "potluck" wouldn't even make sense without it.


As for the OP, it's the same old story, but its interesting and somewhat horrifying that they are considering anti-Republican groups to be subversive, as opposed to groups who are somewhat anti-government policy or anti-war. What's funny is how pointless it is. Like the government has anything to worry about from these people, after all, these people actually do sincerely believe in democracy and that if they speak out then their voices will be heard and count for something, therefore automatically dismissing any idea they are revolutionaries.

I swear, the FBI needs to get a hobby. It's like they don't feel useful unless they are looking for bad guys in San Francisco co-ops while actual bad guys get away with tons and they look the other way.
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When "history isn't important", you'll see it again. And again.
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Coyote wrote:When "history isn't important", you'll see it again. And again.
Remember all the people saying that the US would not use torture? And then when proof came out, they said that it was just some people using torture, but it didn't come from the top? And then when it came from the top, they said that torture wasn't so bad after all? This kind of behaviour is dominated by denial rather than ignorance.

In other words, I don't think the problem here is ignorance of history; I think it's just blatant tribalism. Nobody cares as long as the people being targeted are "unAmerican". I think all the people saying "it can't happen here" are fully aware that it happened in spades in the 1950s and 1960s, but when they say "it can't happen here", what they really mean is "it won't happen to me, so I don't care".
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Darth Wong wrote:In other words, I don't think the problem here is ignorance of history; I think it's just blatant tribalism. Nobody cares as long as the people being targeted are "unAmerican". I think all the people saying "it can't happen here" are fully aware that it happened in spades in the 1950s and 1960s, but when they say "it can't happen here", what they really mean is "it won't happen to me, so I don't care".
Of course, we all know that that simply isn't true. Those people have no proof that the US won't torture them just as it did to the non-Americans.

Such people tread on razor wire...
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sketerpot wrote:The way I heard it, Huey Newton was killed by some guy in a drug dispute. We have much stronger evidence, though, that the FBI (in collaboration with with the police) murdered Fred Hampton and Mark Clark -- an FBI informant drugged them and that night the Chicago police charged in, shot the guys I mentioned, beat everyone else in the house, and then charged them with assault.
that's what I meant. I'm sorry.
I sure hope they're not going anywhere near that far again.
Anyone remember the Military Commissions Act? Hope won't be too good.
Even if the ghost of J. Edgar Hoover were to rise from his grave and take the reins of the FBI again, I doubt you'd be fucked. Just think how many people in the 60s didn't get killed or arrested!
true, very true. Oddly enough, me living in Chicago and the discussion here reminds me of Haymarket and the Democratic Convention in 1968 oddly enough. heh
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