SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK III

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-27 01:37am

Also anyone got that Quote by Machevelli about why you shouldn't trush mercs?

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2008-05-27 01:45am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Also anyone got that Quote by Machevelli about why you shouldn't trush mercs?

Which of them?

Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy

in mercenaries dastardy is most dangerous

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-27 01:55am

Stas Bush wrote:What the hell are you thinking Shep? Do you want to go to war with the FUN rght now?

Look, the central sea is the quickest route to Libertopia, and if I turn around, I commit to either a very long detour, or sail through MESS infested waters.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-05-27 01:58am

Look, the central sea is the quickest route to Libertopia

Yeah, that's why we locked it down; it has been locked for some time for Saddamistani shipping, and since you allied with him, it has been locked for your shipping as well.

I commit to either a very long detour

Of course. The whole point is to make economic cooperation through naval trade between Saddam and you unfeasible or incredibly straining.

It also serves to prevent UAR joint actions in Libertia, or make them economically straining ocne again.

That's called "economic sanctions" in SDN World and they are effective as I see, thanks territorial proximity.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-27 02:06am

Problem Solved.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-27 02:09am

So um hay MESS?

Death Said:

The Neverhood announces it's surrender to the MESS, renouncing any and all ties to OMSK and Nukistan.

...

We join the Mess as its protectorates and vassal state

What's your stance on this? Just the ravings of a crackpot?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-05-27 02:11am

Hmm...

Fine, Tonkin will get honourably Blacklisted some time later of course, but other than that, I see no problems with phongs' ships passing.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2008-05-27 02:17am

MKSheppard wrote:So um hay MESS?

Death Said:

The Neverhood announces it's surrender to the MESS, renouncing any and all ties to OMSK and Nukistan.

...

We join the Mess as its protectorates and vassal state
What's your stance on this? Just the ravings of a crackpot?

Hmm, in case the meaning was unclear, Coyote now controls The Neverhood, and I surrendered it to him completely, and to the Mess, that is, to the mess (If they want it), and at any rate to Coyote (Who did accept).

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-05-27 02:29am

Okay, so...is Shep ethnic cleansing or not? I'd guess not, but you never know

Also, brilliant dodge of the blockade

PeZookia would like to buy two Halifax frigates (140 mil total) in FY2011.

Damn, my budget will get a little strained...

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-05-27 02:37am

I know it's unfair to kick someone who is already falling, but Unlimited Economic Warfare from RT is possible towards anyone who deals with UAR, meaning various sanctions, since the UAR produces bioweapons.

Of course, that means we would lobby international instances to enact a trade embargo of UAR, if possible, a far more severe one than Cuba is enjoying. ICSA autorities (Shroom, Pezook and Dave) might just cut short any cargo ship orders by Shepnukistan, meaning it will have to construct own bulkers.

Hehehe, US tactics sometimes can feel so satisfying.

Saddamistan was already embargoed by the majority of nations, so the issue is only extending it to the entier UAR and maybe Tonkin - their foul ways are not forgotten no matter what they do, and besides they are dirty bourgeois.

Man, I get a kick of being a vindictive asshole and having very good reasons to be one!

Remember, anyone who makes bioweapons is BAD BAD BAD, and anyone who deals with people who make them is also BAD.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-05-27 02:45am

Stas Bush wrote:I know it's unfair to kick someone who is already falling, but Unlimited Economic Warfare from RT is possible towards anyone who deals with UAR, meaning various sanctions, since the UAR produces bioweapons.

Of course, that means we would lobby international instances to enact a trade embargo of UAR, if possible, a far more severe one than Cuba is enjoying. ICSA autorities (Shroom, Pezook and Dave) might just cut short any cargo ship orders by Shepnukistan, meaning it will have to construct own bulkers.

Well, Shepnukistan didn't actually order and ships this year. Though they have enough capacity to build their own, to be honest

Stas Bush wrote:Saddamistan was already embargoed by the majority of nations, so the issue is only extending it to the entier UAR and maybe Tonkin - their foul ways are not forgotten no matter what they do, and besides they are dirty bourgeois.

Man, I get a kick of being a vindictive asshole and having very good reasons to be one! Remember, anyone who makes bioweapons is BAD BAD BAD, and anyone who deals with people who make them is also BAD.

Okay, before we get carried away, allow me to state that we should rescind the lockdown if Saddamistan decided to end its bioweapon program.

As I've said in my speech, they don't need those weapons, anyway, since they can already wipe out anybody they don't like.

Skimmer is just keeping them in order to piss us off.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-05-27 02:53am

Well, Shepnukistan didn't actually order and ships this year.

He did recently.

In any case, I agree that if they abandon the bioweapons and open the nation for full territory inspection the ban should be lifted; however, that's as good as waiting for heavens to open and Q to force them do it.

The ISCA policies regarding UAR and it's partners are at the FUN discretion, as well as generic FUN measures against them as long as they do what they do with little attention to th world community.

EDIT: Duh, what did I say?

We'd sooner have the sky fall. The only feasible solution is to ruin and strangle UAR economically, bog it in insurgent warfare wherever possible and eventually, they would be forced into an autarky which will have severe economic consequences.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-27 02:58am

DUN DUN DUN DUN

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-27 02:59am

Stas Bush wrote:He did recently.

That contract is for our own shipyards, not the ICSA

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-05-27 03:07am

PeZook wrote: Skimmer is just keeping them in order to piss us off.

What the heck else am I supposed to fill utterly obsolete SCUD-B and C model missiles with? Mere conventional explosives? Everyone would enjoy the post bio-chemical radiological holocaust world anyway, I have some great stuff in mind.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-05-27 03:32am

Sea Skimmer wrote: What the heck else am I supposed to fill utterly obsolete SCUD-B and C model missiles with? Mere conventional explosives?

Well, you could, you know, uh...scrap them?

Besides, you have a crapload of other delivery systems, anyway.

Sea Skimmer wrote:Everyone would enjoy the post bio-chemical radiological holocaust world anyway, I have some great stuff in mind.

I for one would not

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-27 04:36am

look it the cute foxes!

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-05-27 04:59am

Look, Tonkinites went such long ways, rejected the UAR cargo haul plans apparently to avoid getting blacklisted... and still got blacklisted for ever joining with UAR on any action in the first place

Ah, the perils of politics

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-27 06:18am

This only means a very large Nukistani/Saddamistani nuclear propulsion program now, you realize, to get around the huge ranges you're forcing us to fly?

Red Outline is of an An-225 for scale.

This is a turboprop style atom-plane carrying a payload of 400,000 pounds at 300 kts (345 MPH or 555 KMH) at 25,000 feet (7,620 m)

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-05-27 06:36am

Yeah, but it doesn't exist since you never announced either it's construction or even plans to construct such. And I fear it never proceeded beyond blueprints, which means a full scale research period before launching it.

So we managed to halt rapid shippings for a few months at least, if you use conventional planes to ultimately move the cargo, or for a few years if you suspend cargo movement until you make your nuclear toy

Considering the problems real nuclear planes faced, you're in for years of trouble -and your entier economy is a measly fraction of what the U.S. economy is, and so is your defense budget.

In the meantime, you'd be forced to rely on ordinary plane flights for rapid communication and cargo hauls to Saddam, or roundabout ship routes.

All of it is uneconomic, straining and effective in making the alliance rather untenable

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-05-27 07:30am

Ok, I have about three pages of IU stuff to catch up on now (damn you all!) but the FUN could probably do the council like we do: everyone who is a member gets one seat, regardless of size. All votes are equal.

We have 11 members as of now, so it can work for us, and we shouldn't have to worry about ties (if it happens, the Chief Administrator/Councilor has the power to decide) so we're not too big for it to still be a fairly quick process. I don't know offhand how many people the FUN have though.

Anyway, back to catching up. I don't think anyone has been nuked yet, right?

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-05-27 07:33am

Did Shep just buy all the carriers from Bean? *grumbles*

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-05-27 07:48am

Ok, I'm looking for cheap fighters to create an actual airforce (right now, my entire air force is composed of 10 Yak-130s. They are equipped with gun pods and missiles for patrol duties, but...well...)

So...I'm looking at buying at least one full squadron (12 fighters). I'll probably want to buy Mig-29s with upgraded radars and electronics (since my pilots are training on Yak-130s) or perhaps Su-27.

Cost is the main issue here.

EDIT: On the FUN fast reaction force, PeZookia is forming an airmobile batallion right now, which will be capable of long-range missions (endemic KC-130 tankers and heli gunships), and is similar in role and training to the Shinra Rangers.

Now, it will be ready for operations in four years, unless I get 1.3 billion bucks for equipment from somewhere, but it'll be a perfect tool for the FUNRF.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-05-27 07:55am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Did Shep just buy all the carriers from Bean? *grumbles*

No, no sales of my drawn down fleet will be done until after the first of the year.

However Sheppard has already offered for both carriers, he of course only wants the stripped down ships(Which gives me a ton of spare t keep Valor in tip top shape) but at a lessor price. Should anyone fall to buy the fully running carriers I'll take his lessor offer.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-05-27 07:55am

You need $1.3 billion? Space funding is cut for next year, so I could help you.