SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK III

[Mr Bean]

Hey now. The IRT does not trade with pirates! That's just bad for business.

Excuse me "treasure hunters"

OAN:Expect the arms market to be flooded with IFV's, tanks and other fun toys soon.

[phongn]

From what I read they basically took over all policing duties in the Neverhood and are the main ones doing the fighting over there.

If I misread it then Shep can correct me. And we'll chalk that up to the whole closed-to-the-media thing in us getting incomplete information.

They are, but it's hardly cleansing ... anymore than what the PAP and the XPCC did in Tibet.

Of course you do. Which is why you won't mind an investigation, would you?

In fact, if this is the case, than you would surely welcome such a fair, open, and unhindered investigation to assure everybody that they are being paid fair and just wages, are being treated well, and of course have received all proper and suitable training and safety equipment. And of course periodic checkups to make sure it stays that way.

Sure, if you'll pay for it. And sign a NDA to make sure our proprietary mining techniques, equipment information and internal policies are not simply given to our competitors.

Then again, given that Shepnukistan illegally annexed the Neverhood, it brings into question the basic legitimacy of you, and for that matter, ProTec being there at all.

The IRT recognizes the areas remaining under Shep's control.

Besides, there's no penalty for trading WITH a nation that trades with UAR, only for trading with UAR directly.

Trans-shipment through the IRT shouldn't actually be that hard, since we have assets in Alexandria (near Sea Skimmer) and of course the IRT itself is by Shep.

Hey now. The IRT does not trade with pirates! That's just bad for business.

Excuse me "treasure hunters"

Seriously, it's counter-productive for the IRT - or any of her corporations - to trade with pirates. It harms international trade and they cannot be trusted.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well, you were happy to trade with Ramsley who supports banditry...

[PeZook]

You know, I might be interested in a few brigades. How much are those?

EDIT: I would like to buy the turrets only and radar for license production. I can supply my own chassis.

Huh...I suppose we can grant a standard 15 years production license for...I don't know, 150 million? You're certainly getting your money's worth.

[phongn]

Well, you were happy to trade with Ramsley who supports banditry...

Who said I traded with Ramsley?

[The Yosemite Bear]

Remember It's been stated Before, that The Bear Republic was paying Reperations to Shepnukistan over the theft of Blackbeard blueprints, that a Bear Republic firm called "The Coastal Defense Commander/Commisar" they are pretty much obvious clones/rip offs. however I think some people could come up with something.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Goddamn. Shroomania will probably have to start making its own Blackbeards!

That's okay. We'll be a major arms exporter, then! MacMillan and Schrom Corp to the rescue!

I think I said a few times, My intell people have been paying because we stole it, (The 2009 recovery act hid a lot of evil)

[K. A. Pital]

Trans-shipment through the IRT shouldn't actually be that hard

If I find out about someone doing transfers, he'd face some sort of sanctions, though probably not as severe.

As for ProTec, thanks for alerting me.

As a side note, Alexander in Libertia is our prime concerN: he's supplied by ProTec, IRT, and UAR simultaneous and apparently is being used as a bulkhead against either Sultanate or both Ramsley and Sultanate.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Not to mention one of his commanders went a bit more rogue/private interest and got into the Opium and Soma market.

[PeZook]

I think I said a few times, My intell people have been paying because we stole it, (The 2009 recovery act hid a lot of evil)

...oh.

So we can restart production on our own, with just a short development cycle?

Hey, that's awesome

[The Yosemite Bear]

even better since I stated this after he stated that reporters from my country had made it into his secure labs. god only knows what my hackers and senate ops people could get into. Decided to say that they cloned his biggest selling item, a few times, got it recognized and have been paying for it.

[RogueIce]

From what I read they basically took over all policing duties in the Neverhood and are the main ones doing the fighting over there.

If I misread it then Shep can correct me. And we'll chalk that up to the whole closed-to-the-media thing in us getting incomplete information.

They are, but it's hardly cleansing ... anymore than what the PAP and the XPCC did in Tibet.

According to this report they're basically going to kill anyone who's dissenting. So maybe not ethnic per se, but a form of cleansing anyway.

And really, we're more likely to believe RT reporters who have shown at least some photographic evidence, over Shepnukistan at this point.

Remember, OOC and IU are two different things.

Sure, if you'll pay for it. And sign a NDA to make sure our proprietary mining techniques, equipment information and internal policies are not simply given to our competitors.

We don't care about your trade secrets. Only what you're doing to people under MESS protection.

Of course it may be a moot point anyway, because...

The IRT recognizes the areas remaining under Shep's control.

Not everybody feels the same way. Just because he occupies the area by force doesn't mean the rest of us (at least insofar as the MESS is concerned; the FUN and other nations will have to make their own statements) recognize it as anything other than an illegal annexation.

Further, given that Stas started the whole plotline, and that Neverhood was annexed shortly before he pulled the RT from the OMSK (which is who DEATH had given his country over to) we could surmise that act is one of the reasons behind Stas' decision, now couldn't we?

The rest wasn't addressed to me, but regarding using the IRT as a middleman, well, we can always follow the money. Besides, if it just so happens that a pattern emerges of the IRT purchasing military equipment (this especially, given his known under-militarization) or other items and that these items seem to always wind up going to the UAR, well, I'm sure our intelligence agencies can form a proper conclusion.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

You know, I might be interested in a few brigades. How much are those?

EDIT: I would like to buy the turrets only and radar for license production. I can supply my own chassis.

Huh...I suppose we can grant a standard 15 years production license for...I don't know, 150 million? You're certainly getting your money's worth.

Alright then. Sounds good.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well, you were happy to trade with Ramsley who supports banditry...

Who said I traded with Ramsley?

I meant Alexandra.

[phongn]

And really, we're more likely to believe RT reporters who have shown at least some photographic evidence, over Shepnukistan at this point.

Remember, OOC and IU are two different things.

* makes claims of Photoshop action in progress *

We don't care about your trade secrets. Only what you're doing to people under MESS protection.

Do remember that our corporations, ultimately, are pragmatic and do have an ear to international opinion (and don't confuse the IRT with the corporations under it. GE is not the USA, after all). Slave labor is inefficient, after all, and so are undernourished workers (and safety incidents reduce efficiency).

Not everybody feels the same way. Just because he occupies the area by force doesn't mean the rest of us (at least insofar as the MESS is concerned; the FUN and other nations will have to make their own statements) recognize it as anything other than an illegal annexation.

Certainly, but what defines "illegal?" These are nation-state actors, there is no overarching World Government of which all nations are a member and agree to abide by its rules.

The rest wasn't addressed to me, but regarding using the IRT as a middleman, well, we can always follow the money. Besides, if it just so happens that a pattern emerges of the IRT purchasing military equipment (this especially, given his known under-militarization) or other items and that these items seem to always wind up going to the UAR, well, I'm sure our intelligence agencies can form a proper conclusion.

Why bother to arm the UAR? They have a big defense industry, anyways.

I meant Alexandra.

Which is not piracy on the high seas, and we've been pressuring him to clamp down on this.

[DarthShady]

Shroom are we going to start our little project soon?

So any more FUN members planing to express their opinions on the conference? Bear?

[Mr Bean]

OAN, seeing at it's November now(Ingame) Pezook, when can I expect the massive delivery of the upgraded ships?

[RogueIce]

Do remember that our corporations, ultimately, are pragmatic and do have an ear to international opinion (and don't confuse the IRT with the corporations under it. GE is not the USA, after all). Slave labor is inefficient, after all, and so are undernourished workers (and safety incidents reduce efficiency).

We'll write strongly worded letters to their CEOs then.

Certainly, but what defines "illegal?" These are nation-state actors, there is no overarching World Government of which all nations are a member and agree to abide by its rules.

The agreement they had with OMSK was that they'd be under their protection, but internal policy remained in control of the Neverhood. Shep's annexation obviously overrules that, and it's become obvious the ruling faction of the Neverhood didn't agree with that at all. Nor, for that matter, a good chunk of the populace if even Shepnukistan is acknowledging he doesn't control large parts of the country.

Now obviously we can't haul you before the World Court, since we don't even have one, we're just expressing the fact that, so far as we're concerned, what Shep did was illegal. So anyone entering deals with him to exploit the mineral resources of the Neverhood, for example, is illegally operating in a MESS protectorate.

That's our view of it, at least. Again, other nations and the FUN will have to declare their own positions one way or another.

Now, whether IRT corporations choose to take to heart they're illegally exploiting the natural resources of a MESS protectorate (in the view of the MESS at least) and the obvious negative reaction that will produce WRT said corporations and possibly the IRT itself (I don't recall offhand how entangled your government is with the corporations; or for that matter, what effect action against your corporations would mean for your government) is entirely up to them.

Why bother to arm the UAR? They have a big defense industry, anyways.

That was one example. And given Bean's major selloff of stuff, a possibly pertinent one.

And really, it would be the most obvious one for us to trace, if anyone decided to go that route.

[phongn]

The agreement they had with OMSK was that they'd be under their protection, but internal policy remained in control of the Neverhood. Shep's annexation obviously overrules that, and it's become obvious the ruling faction of the Neverhood didn't agree with that at all. Nor, for that matter, a good chunk of the populace if even Shepnukistan is acknowledging he doesn't control large parts of the country.

Shep argued that he has the majority vote, OTOH, with the holdouts in the west the minority. He doesn't even really seem to contesting their control, preferring to cement gains by economic buildup in the East.

Now, whether IRT corporations choose to take to heart they're illegally exploiting the natural resources of a MESS protectorate (in the view of the MESS at least) and the obvious negative reaction that will produce WRT said corporations and possibly the IRT itself (I don't recall offhand how entangled your government is with the corporations; or for that matter, what effect action against your corporations would mean for your government) is entirely up to them.

I suppose there's the other issue if the IRT recognizes the former King's authority once relinquished to OMSK (and now Shep). I suppose we could call for a vote to let the People say what they want. Or do a Germany-style split

[RogueIce]

I suppose there's the other issue if the IRT recognizes the former King's authority once relinquished to OMSK (and now Shep). I suppose we could call for a vote to let the People say what they want. Or do a Germany-style split

That's...that's probably the worst example. Although, when one thinks about it, probably what would happen.

At any rate, the corporations of the IRT just need to consider the fact that, legalistic hand-waving aside, a good chunk of the world views what Shepnukistan is doing in the Neverhood as "wrong", with varying degrees on just how wrong it is.

The fact that they are now going in to make a quick buck off of Shepnukistan's actions will not go unnoticed. They may believe in the Almighty Dollar (or Tonkin) but not everybody else agrees.

So it may well come to the point that, like the Red Technocracy has done, the rest of us may well decide to start taking steps to punish the corporations for what they're doing.

Hey, you like to keep it interesting, right? Well given your little visit from Q last time, I think it seems the government of the IRT is largely beholden to your corporations, and that they're the ones with the power. Now, if they want to continue dealing with the UAR against world opinion, the time may come when the rest of the world will expect the IRT to finally take a stand and do something about it.

*shrug* ProTec got Indhopal in trouble. Your corporations may not be officially as intertwined, but there is a definate perception that such is the case on a practical level. So legalistic justifications or not, the actions of IRT corporations could very easily get the IRT government in trouble, as well.

Keeps things interesting, right?

[phongn]

That's...that's probably the worst example. Although, when one thinks about it, probably what would happen.

The idea of a split country is a serious one, actually. Germany, Vietnam, Korea - all split between power blocs.

Hey, you like to keep it interesting, right? Well given your little visit from Q last time, I think it seems the government of the IRT is largely beholden to your corporations, and that they're the ones with the power. Now, if they want to continue dealing with the UAR against world opinion, the time may come when the rest of the world will expect the IRT to finally take a stand and do something about it.

Not entirely beholden, no, but a significant amount of pressure is from the corporations.

[Mr Bean]

A question, when did we get stable portals home good enough to move whole deliveries through from old earth? I was to understand we had access to a "visit home" type portal, but not "Ye-old portal sufficient large and open long enough to move twenty tons of ammunition, weaponry and mules through.

OAN:Excuse me if I'm wrong but does not the Neverhoods... umm geography?

Argue against a successful long term insurrection?

The geography seems as best we can tell from the artist impression to be mostly flat, it could be coated in forests allowed a Soviet style Partisan campaign but otherwise your talking lots of flat-lands.

Even if it were as densly forests as Vietnam this is Sheppard we are talking about, he'd have no issues with clear/burn-cutting ten mile blocks of woods in order to deny the rebels a chance to have free access around the country.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Unless Shep sees fit to destroy the Coastal cities? Thus far, most of the rioting and what not occurred in the cities.

[Shroom Man 777]

Shroomania is gonna place economic pressure on Shepnukistan. Bye bye Blackbeards...

Goddamn Neverhoodies. That's what we call the insurrection in the shitty urban sprawls of Neverhood. Neverhoodies. So gangsta and ghetto, yo!

[Mr Bean]

Sheppard what's the total number of Blackbeard batteries you've delivered now in FY 09 and FY 10 to the UKB, I'm going to do a grand OOB update today along with a repost of my country.